Sheik KO percents

[j0s3ph]

Down Smash on the edge of FD

Jigglypuff 97%
Game and Watch 100%
Fox 100%
Squirtle 102% 
Falco 103%
Pikachu 103%
Kirby 104%
Meta Knight 104%
Sheik 104%
Zero Suit Samus 104%
Olimar 105%
Zelda 107%
Marth 108%
Peach 110%
Luigi 110%
Ice Climbers 111%
Toon Link 112%
Pit 112%
Lucas 112%
Ness 113%
Diddy 113%
Sonic 113%
Mario 115%
Wolf 115%
Link 117%
Captain Falcon 117%
Ivysaur 119%
Rob 119%
Ganon 119%
Lucario 120%
Ike 120%
Yoshi 121%
Snake 121%
Charizard 122%
Samus 123%
Wario 124%
DK 125%
Bowser 126%
Dedede 126%

To give a general idea of how much DI affects the percents, I tested Dsmash at FD edge in training mode with correct DI. I SDId the entire Dsmash up as well.

Meta Knight 132%
Mario 139%
Dedede 156%

The Second hit of Fsmash at FD edge

Jigglypuff 87%
Fox 89%
Game and Watch 90%
Pikachu 90%
Squirtle 90%
Meta Knight 91%
Kirby 92%
Falco 92%
Sheik 93%
Zero Suit Samus 94%
Olimar 94%
Zelda 96%
Marth 97%
Luigi 98%
Ice Climbers 99%
Peach 99%
Pit 99%
Sonic 99%
Diddy 100%
Lucas 100%
Ness 100%
Toon Link 100%
Wolf 102%
Falcon 103%
Mario 103%
Ike 104%
Link 104%
Lucario 104%
Ganon 105%
Ivysaur 106%
Rob 106%
Snake 107%
Yoshi 108%
Samus 109%
Charizard 110%
DK 111%
Bowser 112%
Wario 112%
Dedede 112%

Strong Nair at FD edge

Jigglypuff 98%
Fox 101%
Game and Watch 101%
Squirtle 101%
Kirby 104%
Pikachu 104%
Falco 104%
Meta Knight 105%
Zero Suit Samus 105%
Sheik 106%
Olimar 108%
Zelda 108%
109%
Peach 111%
Luigi 112%
Diddy 112%
Ice Climbers 112%
Lucas 113%
Sonic 113%
Toon Link 113%
Ness 114%
Pit 115%
Mario 116%
Lucario 117%
Wolf 117%
Captain Falcon 118%
Ivysaur 118%
Link 118%
Ike 119%
ROB 120%
Ganon 121%
Charizard 122%
Yoshi 122%
Dedede 123%
Samus 123%
Wario 125%
Donkey Kong 126%
Snake 126%
Bowser 128%

And for the sake of having everything in one place here's Up Smash KO percents from Tristan's thread

Jigglypuff 68%
Squirtle 71%
Game and Watch 73%
Fox 75%
Kirby 76%
Meta knight 76%
Sheik 77%
Pikachu 78%
Zamus 78%
Zelda 78%
Peach 78%
Olimar 79%
Falco 81%
Ice climbers 81%
Toon Link 83%
Marth 84%
Ness 84%
Pit 85%
Lucas 84%
Diddy kong 84%
Luigi 85%
Mario 86%
Sonic 86%
Lucario 87%
Samus 89%
Ivysaur 89%
R.O.B 90%
Yoshi 90%
Wolf 91%
Charizard 92%
Wario 92%
Link 93%
Ganondorf 94%
Ike 95%
CAPTAIN FALCON 96%
Bowser 96% ...the ****?
DK 100%
Snake 101%
King Dedede 104%

 

[ddonaldo]

dsmash KOs eariler than I expected. But that is probably because mine is never fresh. I had never really tried edgeguarding with nair, but looking at the percentages I might mix more nair edgeguards into my game.
Good work btw joseph and T_W

 

[Tristan_win]

Curious, I didn't know the dsmash was stronger then a strong nair but even so I think dsmash is more DIable then Nair so it might not make a difference

Do fair as well please, sweet spot bair, and the "stomp" one as well if you can :3

edit: Small question did you do your testing in VS or training mode?

 

[-Mars-]

I'm interested to see how early vanish KO's.

 

[j0s3ph]

Curious, I didn't know the dsmash was stronger then a strong nair but even so I think dsmash is more DIable then Nair so it might not make a difference

Do fair as well please, sweet spot bair, and the "stomp" one as well if you can :3

edit: Small question did you do your testing in VS or training mode?

Training mode, on a level 9 set to stop. I forget to put that in the op
So yeah, the percents are a lower than what it will actually be thanks to cpu di and training mode dealing less knockback

 

[Tristan_win]

Training mode, on a level 9 set to stop. I forget to put that in the op
So yeah, the percents are a lower than what it will actually be thanks to cpu di and training mode dealing less knockback

Also even on stop the computer DI a little but whatever it doesn't really matter anyways. I mean we aren't talking about killing % with DI here.

edit: ah, I didn't read your post well enough you did mention cpu di. My bad, sleepy johns.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I'm interested to see how early vanish KO's.

Me too....

 

[choknater]

are these without di?

and are they fresh?

 

[Leafplayer452]

He said training mode so of course its fresh and he said not with DI, I guess do these 20%s later and you'll get the kill on someone who has mediocore DI

 

[j0s3ph]

He said training mode so of course its fresh and he said not with DI, I guess do these 20%s later and you'll get the kill on someone who has mediocore DI

Yeah I would test with DI but its tough to when you have to switch between controllers

Edit: I added the finished percents for Fsmash and Nair as well as Dsmash with DI for 3 chars. I will not do any more chars for that, it was just to give an idea of the percent difference between CPU and human.

 

[Tristan_win]

Nice well while your at it you might as well add the DI for the Usmash as well

I'm only very sure about two though

Mario 93%
Meta knight 85%

 

[saviorslegacy]

Very nice... I'll memorize this later.

Also, please add Vanish.

 

[Tristan_win]

..You should complete your work as I'm adding your data to my charts now.

 

[choknater]

generally i kill lightweights at 120~140

mid weights around 150~160

heavyweights i dont care if they go to 200% before they die, they hardly damage me anyway (wario is another story... good thing i can grab release usmash him if i get lucky. otherwise i kill warios at like 170 with either sweetspot bair or uair)

i usually get all my kills from aerial edgeguards

dacus and usmash in general for me are very rare

i hardly even use dsmash anymore

 

[saviorslegacy]

generally i kill lightweights at 120~140

mid weights around 150~160

heavyweights i dont care if they go to 200% before they die, they hardly damage me anyway (wario is another story... good thing i can grab release usmash him if i get lucky. otherwise i kill warios at like 170 with either sweetspot bair or uair)

i usually get all my kills from aerial edgeguards

dacus and usmash in general for me are very rare

i hardly even use dsmash anymore

Woah, your kil percents are waaaaay to high.

 

[choknater]

no

i usually play it safe

trust me i have gotten snake to 200 while taking 30 damage

thats just how i play

i bring ddd to like 140 then transform, sometimes as zelda i take too much damage

so sometimes i just stay sheik and get him to like 200 and kill him with fair

only taking like 40 damage or whatever

trust me sheik's speed allows that to happen

my kill percents are legit cuz i usually do it with fair

forced nairs are unsafe, sweetspot uairs and bairs are kinda hard to nail sometimes

 

[Tristan_win]

no

i usually play it safe

trust me i have gotten snake to 200 while taking 30 damage

thats just how i play

i bring ddd to like 140 then transform, sometimes as zelda i take too much damage

so sometimes i just stay sheik and get him to like 200 and kill him with fair

only taking like 40 damage or whatever

trust me sheik's speed allows that to happen

my kill percents are legit cuz i usually do it with fair

forced nairs are unsafe, sweetspot uairs and bairs are kinda hard to nail sometimes

yeah, doing this with sheik is sometimes needed once you leave ftilt into usmash realistic striking range and even if you’re in range if you haven't used the ftilt recently there's very little hope of pulling it off without having to depend upon your opponent to F up. Generally I think once your opponent is above 100% things are now greatly in their favor when you are using sheik because you cannot combo anymore ..usually.

edit: then depending on the weight class and if the chance present it's self you can go for the kill, at like 130-150-200% though.

 

[j0s3ph]

..You should complete your work as I'm adding your data to my charts now.

I wasn't planning on doing more...
If you want me to do upsmash with di I can probably do it sunday

 

[<π]

Yo-howdy folks.

Um... this is so~ dependent on where you are on the stage like each small little bit effects the killing power of our (and any really) horizontal kill moves so so much with good DI. Just Up isn't always the best way to try for you should be aiming for the corners of the blast zone... Sometimes making a move go lower is going to save you even though it is traditionally a move that'll kill off the side.

So I say that to say this. you want to understand the killing power of these moves, it's not something you are going to be able to look at a paper an walk away with the fastest way to get it is from experince.


Okay.

Side Usmash? too good. kills way lower than fsmash and I think lower than nair as well. (dacus users know it right?) so don't ignore it as a killing punisher if aplicable when dsmash is an option. I used to do that.

 

[-dMT-]

Vanish KO % data would be nice...

 

[Jski]

I hope this is not a bad question but with the up smash and the down smash where they full changes version or just the non charges version.

 

[j0s3ph]

uncharged

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[Denti]

good stuff, i was hoping to see the up special kill percentage but thats fine. :D

 

[Mr Toast]

Good to know