Sheik forgets to transform. What do you do?

[Violence]

You're supposed to know what character they're using before they stage strike. Just like you're not allowed to change characters after stage strike, starting the game as Zelda should not be intentional, if you say you're going Sheik before stage striking. You can quit out and restart the game, but letting them transform saves the trouble.

 

[GOD!]

maybe you should just look inside yourself and find the side of you that wants to not be a huge ****** and let them transform

 

[ranmaru]

Well first, ask your self this "If I was Sheik, and forgot to transform, would HE/SHE let me transform?" before attacking. If he is honorable, then be honorable. If he isn't LOL why bother.

 

[Stevo]

You're supposed to know what character they're using before they stage strike. Just like you're not allowed to change characters after stage strike, starting the game as Zelda should not be intentional, if you say you're going Sheik before stage striking. You can quit out and restart the game, but letting them transform saves the trouble.

um, they could still be "using" Zelda even if they start as sheik AND tell you they are starting as Sheik......

I've never heard it be necessary to tell your opponent which of they two you will be starting as.

They are one character, the tier list splits them to show what each can do on their own.
The only reason to not be able to switch back and forth as much/little as you want is for a low tier tournament I guess.

 

[GOD!]

Why should your character reflect your opponents? What if you're playing a 5 yo who likes to nut check you in the middle of the match? Would you do the same? Noo

 

[FoxLisk]

You're supposed to know what character they're using before they stage strike. Just like you're not allowed to change characters after stage strike, starting the game as Zelda should not be intentional, if you say you're going Sheik before stage striking. You can quit out and restart the game, but letting them transform saves the trouble.

i agree with this. but. do you also think that sheik players should not be allowed to transform into zelda to recover? because i think that's the logical conclusion.

 

[Stevo]

THAT is ********.

what if someone accidentally transforms mid match. Do they just lose?

 

[.Marik]

I must be one of the few Sheiks that plays with honour.

*Edit*

I just posted a paradox. Go me.

 

[ranmaru]

THAT is ********.

what if someone accidentally transforms mid match. Do they just lose?

Lol maybe. Like if you change from zelda to sheik you are pretty much ok, that up b is a mind game. Although you could just wait and like charge a smash or something if well spaced.

 

[pockyD]

who says you have the right to make sure they're playing Sheik? I've never heard that before.
and besides, unless you are banning Zelda's down-b, you are only finding out if they are STARTING as Sheik. If you stage strike thinking they are sheik and they go zelda, the best you will get with your supposed "right to make sure they're playing sheik" is a free hit while they are transforming.

If they pick zelda, stage strike as if they are sheik. If they go zelda, you get to tier list smack down. When was Zelda ever so great that it is required to know FOR SURE they are not STARTING the match as Zelda.

manacloud1 says otherwise!!!!!

 

[1048576]

How about this: you play normal, punishing and whatnot. They can reset the match unless they use an attack. Then they forfeit that right and would be DQed for pausing.

 

[BigD!!!]

zelda and sheik are one character, you can safely assume which your opponent will be playing probably 99% of the time anyway, but if you cant, your opponent deserves the advantage that brings

if this happened to me in a tournament, and i didnt think that i had caused it by being tricky like pocky d is talking about, then i would try to attack them as best i could while they are still zelda and see if i couldnt keep them from changing before they died even

 

[Lawrencelot]

I main sheik. If I forget to press A while I was aware the match would start, it's my fault, and I deserve to get punished. In a tournament you usually agree to start the game, so...

 

[KirbyKaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-TeW3Zp9fs

I think most smashers are pretty sportsmanlike about this.

 

[Doc King]

I would get at them when I have a good chance of ranking up damage!

 

[PGH Carroll]

Like any other mistake in melee, you get punished. Pre game shiek transformation is no exception. Free combo says I.

 

[SSSnake]

you should be able to get some pretty good damage then they transform when they get the opprotunity

 

[Doc King]

Why do ppl think switching to Zelda is suck a bad thing? I mean if you have to go ahead like when your recovering.

 

[Rooktionary]

I'd let them switch to sheik. To me the game is all about having fun, even in a tournament. However, I do have friends who are Zelda mains, so you never know if Zelda is who they want to play as or not. Usually you can tell from them saying "oh shiiii" as the game starts and theyre still zelda.

 

[Roneblaster]

depends on my mood. but if i were the sheik player, in a tourney set, i would NOT expect anyone to let me transform.

 

[Mahone]

u all are ******s, just restart the game.

People just assume that someone is sheik if they picked zelda, but u should ask them if they are playing sheik, i mean if u are striking stages, u probably want to know what character your opponent is playing, but people just dont care cuz zelda is bad.

If they say sheik, then if they start the game as zelda its cheating, so you should restart, but of course some idiots would say they should lose that game cuz they cheated, well guess what....


Thats a scrub mentallity, **** what it technically correct, **** Play to Win Sirlin bull****, play this game to get better and you WILL get better, or you can continue to scrape by because your opponent makes mistakes and then get 0-2d the next round because you realize you aren't good... your choice.

You guys talk like our prize pools are like millions of dollars or some ****, no one makes a living playing this game, its pretty obvious we play this game competitively because we love it and we love getting better, so why make your opponent sad and win off technicalities?

 

[TheGoat]

I let shiek transform. I also don't punish falco for accidental standing lasers, ganon for accidental uptilts, or jiggs for missed rests.

Really though, I let it slide in friendlies, but in tournaments, it's fair game for punishment.

 

[CableCho57]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-TeW3Zp9fs

I think most smashers are pretty sportsmanlike about this.

Well they had separate tv's and ken thought it was kdj's mistake in which case ken was hella punishing. But kdj was still talking to another smasher about strategies and said just let me transform and ill take the percentage like a man. Otherwise ken wouldve kept owning that zelda

 

[cjugs]

Depends on who you play. I've heard good things about KDJ but in tourny i would probably punish unless i was the one who hit start and maybe the sheik wasn't ready but if he hits start and doesn't change i kill thee. In friendlies same thing i let most everyone change unless they are being a ***** or doing alot of CGs in friendlies i remembering 0 to deathing a sheik in 5 secs in a friendly because he was being a ***** he rage quit but i counted it as a win in my colum

 

[ranmaru]

u all are ******s, just restart the game.

People just assume that someone is sheik if they picked zelda, but u should ask them if they are playing sheik, i mean if u are striking stages, u probably want to know what character your opponent is playing, but people just dont care cuz zelda is bad.

If they say sheik, then if they start the game as zelda its cheating, so you should restart, but of course some idiots would say they should lose that game cuz they cheated, well guess what....


Thats a scrub mentallity, **** what it technically correct, **** Play to Win Sirlin bull****, play this game to get better and you WILL get better, or you can continue to scrape by because your opponent makes mistakes and then get 0-2d the next round because you realize you aren't good... your choice.

You guys talk like our prize pools are like millions of dollars or some ****, no one makes a living playing this game, its pretty obvious we play this game competitively because we love it and we love getting better, so why make your opponent sad and win off technicalities?

because usually we lose due to technicalities. We spend $10 month after month, and we have to win somehow. (I don't mean hitting a Zelda who accidently forgot to press A, and depending on the person, I'd let them transform, but not CLOSE to me ;p) You can't be all "Fair game, good luck to the best man!" Even though I do that myself, but in reality you shouldn't. You have to bring your A-game, and if you pretend that it's just an outing for friends playing friends, then you might not be as fierce as you would be against an enemy. But if you feel if you must, then go play friendlies. If not, then you are just adding money to the pot. We sort of HAVE to play to win, because that is why we enter the tournament. We enter for the chance to win, and to see how we weigh out against other people who also put all their effort in it. Of course, we MUST get BETTER to be ABLE to WIN. It's not like we try SOOO hard to win that we forget to ask the guy what we were doing wrong.

Nothing wrong with playing to win. Basically, you got to do what you go to do to win. You can be honorable, but you must remain effecient with your tactics.



You are right though, they should play who they said they would be playing.

 

[AllThingsAreOne]

But what if someone wants to play both zelda AND sheik during a tourny match? Like not for just recovery. Would that be unacceptable?

 

[FoxLisk]

But what if someone wants to play both zelda AND sheik during a tourny match? Like not for just recovery. Would that be unacceptable?

if they declare their attention to do so at the outset, that's fine with me.

 

[Stevo]

so at what point do we draw the line between "playing sheik with occasional transformation to zelda" and "playing both zleda AND sheik".

maybe we need a third person in a match to have a stopwatch and make sure the player doesnt play zelda too much if they said they were playing sheik.

this is a lame discussion, man up, learn to play against a Zelda (she only has like 3 moves)

Maybe i should announce at the beginning of a match "I intend to spam lasers with falco." so you can pick an appropriate stage too?

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah, true.

We know what Zelda is coming up with. We just have to not be risky and jump in and get hit!

Just DD, it's pressure on you, but still, you can not get hit a few times... but remember, she is floaty!

 

[.Marik]

If they transform to recover, we can assume opponents are intentionally using Zelda's superior horizontal distance for the advantage.

Opponent proceedes to press Down B and doesn't act surprised or switch back, we can also assume they want to play Zelda.

Very few Smashers, if any, play both Zelda and Sheik consistently at top levels of play in tournaments.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

I TAPE THEIR ***** UP THEIR ***,. what do youe xpect LOOOOOOL. het raoed

 

[keeper]

Tournament: I would let them change out of sympathy since I have forgotten to do it. :|
Friendlies: Rush them and hit them with a terrible attack, the worst one I could think of.

 

[Lib3r4t3]

I forget often in friendlies and no one ever gives me a break.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Friendlies: Wavedash into a Luigi down taunt
Srs bsns: Wavedash into an up b

 

[Tamoo]

luigi's down taunt?

As opposed to luigi's up and side taunts?

This ain't brawl son

And yeah im jiggs so i usually can't get to the other player in time unless i get lucky ports

 

[Glöwworm]

Friendlies: Wavedash into a Luigi down taunt
Srs bsns: Wavedash into an up b

if i forgot to transform and i see you wavedashing towards me, my first instinct is to attack you as zelda whether or not it's friendlies or a tournament game

 

[THeDarKnesS]

Im pretty sure this should have been closed after Pocky's post. If they say something at the start of the match you would restart.

If they try to transform and you **** them its fair game.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

if i forgot to transform and i see you wavedashing towards me, my first instinct is to attack you as zelda whether or not it's friendlies or a tournament game

if i saw you not transform, id SHFFL an f-air.

 

[RaynEX]

So many funny suggestions in here. On the real, I'd just let my opponent change to Sheik. : /

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

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