Sheik forgets to transform. What do you do?

[Tee ay eye]

Most of us have seen this in friendlies. You start a match vs a Sheik player, and when the game starts, they're still using Zelda. Well, in friendlies, most people would allow their opponent to transform.

What would you do in tournament?

 

[Moooose]

i think i would let them transform

 

[Dark Sonic]

Tip a shffl dair and grab her for a combo because it's tournament and in tournament you punish mistakes

 

[Skler]

Get a free combo while they try to transform.

Same reason I won't restart the game if my opponent suicides. It isn't my fault you screwed up.

 

[MaxTheSlayer]

LAZERLAZER PEWPEW and then mindgames and then win.

 

[Brightside6382]

Tip a shffl dair and grab her for a combo because it's tournament and in tournament you punish mistakes

You have no dignity

 

[n1000]

I'm not sure what I'd do in tournament but I will destroy my surprised friends' Zelda. That is one mistake I find to be completely hilarious.

 

[pockyD]

it's not always about 'forget'; sometimes when the nonsheik player starts the game, they can do it in an unexpected time where the sheik player doesn't get a chance to get the input in

as the sheik player, i'd reset the match... if they want to complain to a TO about it, so be it

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

in friendiles I gimp them at 40% well 1st you lock on to them with projectiles as you take up space (falco's lasers, fireballs, jolts maybe needles if they try to turn back) also some people may play as zedla so watch out for that why I said projectiles. also force them near the edge. if they want to be sheik they'll most likly grab on and down-B and you should try to grab theedge. end stock begin next.

extreme pressure fast soft attacks to stop down-b.

if they approach at all during the begining you take the gamable they main zedla. also if they are blue they are more likly zedla.

I just played a lot vs my brother's sheik today and he f***ing hates me for how vicious I am to sheik on the edge. if he fairs I sheild upair dair. lots of baiting and mindgames and the possible mindgames becoming mindgames. he said I know all your up-B mindgames you're always going to die from edge gaurd. I sweetspoted the edge as he missed his bair to failed recovery.

be cruel to sheiks

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

This is why it is probably a good idea for sheik players to be good enough with zelda to pull of some time for a transform. (AKA get there first stock as zelda and transform while they are dying.)

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

also when I play as sheik I press A when I pick zedla and never let go I pick my stage using start when playing as sheik.

there's no excuse to why you missed it it should be punished like a misspaced move you can get 0-deathed zedla nor sheik are so bad they need pity points. I rarly give out pity points only when i've like 3 stocked a DK as falco then i'll f*** around only useing dair till I win.

 

[Dark Sonic]

it's not always about 'forget'; sometimes when the nonsheik player starts the game, they can do it in an unexpected time where the sheik player doesn't get a chance to get the input in

as the sheik player, i'd reset the match... if they want to complain to a TO about it, so be it

I'm perfectly fine with this. As long as we go to the same stage again without switching player ports, I have no qualms with them resetting after seeing that they forgot to pick Sheik.

 

[FoxLisk]

presumably, the match was being played under the presumption that the zelda/sheik player was going to be playing sheik (as that influences stage decisions). therefore if they spawn as zelda and try to play, they're actually cheating, and neither of you are playing a sanctioned match until the zelda transforms... it's not a play mistake, you're just actually not playing your tournament match.

 

[JPOBS]

this is a tough one.

the interesting thing is, lets say you decide to be "honorable" and let them reset or have a free change without punish because zelda wasnt the character they indended to use...fine.

But by the same token, the sheik player should never be allowed to switched to zelda for things such as recovering and rest punishing, because afterall, 'that wasnt the character they were intending to use"

I'd say as long as the sheik player agrees to stay sheik forever, its ok, but its pretty gay if you let them reset/change without punish, but they can switch to zelda AT WILL.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I let them change. To me it's not a big deal and I want the match to start evenly(which is even in my eyes of course lol and definitely not objective).

I don't really mind a restart or anything like that either.

 

[n1000]

of course they should be allowed to switch to Zelda at will. The fact of the matter is they made a mistake that could cost them. If your opponent does this you have every right to try to **** them up, though it's obviously rude. Also if you take a stock against their zelda there will be no end to the Johns...

if a hypothetical player says "I didn't intend to use Zelda" they mean "I didn't intend to fight with Zelda, I didn't intend to begin with Zelda" you're taking the literal meaning of a hypothetical player (i.e. something imaginary)

Just because you are "honorable" (i.e. not a ****) doesn't mean you can arbitrarily limit your opponent's options, in fact, that's a dishonorable act in itself.

 

[DualCats]

I'd let them transform. I just wouldn't feel good about myself if I didn't. Unless I had some onerous grudge against someone and was being really passive-aggressive about it.

 

[TheGoat]

If ganondorf does uptilt on accident...do you punish him?

However, I do understand the measure of skill argument thing...but really, if you are in a tournament, I suggest just going for it. It's the opponents fault, punish him for it.

 

[JPOBS]

of course they should be allowed to switch to Zelda at will. The fact of the matter is they made a mistake that could cost them. .

so...when your opponent whiffs a wavedash, misses a l-cancel etc, you shouldnt punish cuz it was a mistake that could cost them?

Im not necessarily for or against either method of reaction (punish/no punish) im just pointing out that it is really no different than the hundreds of other things that go wrong in game.

 

[TheGoat]

so...when your opponent whiffs a wavedash, misses a l-cancel etc, you shouldnt punish cuz it was a mistake that could cost them?

Im not necessarily for or against either method of reaction (punish/no punish) im just pointing out that it is really no different than the hundreds of other things that go wrong in game.

I agree, a mistake is a mistake.

I think it's just that you might not feel you "legitimately" beat the shiek at his full potential because of that advantage you gained. Still though, a mistake is a mistake.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

you know I still keep playing even if i'm itching my face or picking my nose really I think that's a better reason to stop fighting them

 

[_lemons]

I'd let them transform, it's pretty silly not to.

 

[Archangel]

the answer is simple. Wait for them to transform then hit them with a perfectly spaced tipper.

After that it's home free. Unless you mess up the edgeguard or they start the match on top of a platform

 

[n1000]

so...when your opponent whiffs a wavedash, misses a l-cancel etc, you shouldnt punish cuz it was a mistake that could cost them?

You misunderstand my meaning. Punish the first transformation, it's a mistake like any other. However if you hold back and let me transform you have no grounds to tell me that I cannot switch to Zelda while recovering...

But by the same token, the sheik player should never be allowed to switched to zelda for things such as recovering and rest punishing, because afterall, 'that wasnt the character they were intending to use"

EDIT: I see what happened "at will" confusion. You meant "freely" and I meant "they can try when they want..."

 

[P.C. Jona]

if you have no balls and cant win youll try to hit them

if you dont afraid of anything and have confidence youll let them change

 

[XkaruX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHxTelRMH2k

This happens. But I'd let him change.. not a big deal.

 

[Shoopman]

Playing as Marth, I'd just go up to them and hit them with one fair. Then run away and let them transform.

 

[Violence]

If I think I have a chance of beating them, I just taunt in place and let them transform.

If I think I have no chance of beating them, I'll charge a shot.

But I wouldn't get a free hit from the transform... that's just low.

 

[Archangel]

If I think I have a chance of beating them, I just taunt in place and let them transform.

If I think I have no chance of beating them, I'll charge a shot.

But I wouldn't get a free hit from the transform... that's just low.

He said in tournament. Nothing is low. If I slip off the edge at 0% and someone edgeguards me oh ****ing well. I shouldn't have slipped off. If someone doesn't transform they better know how to how to use Zelda too.

 

[Pi]

i'll let em transform

i'd rather fight sheik than zelda any way.

 

[Jonas]

You could say that it's not a mistake they made in during the match, so they shouldn't be punished. However, when the match starts, I'll start playing, and this includes trying to attack my opponent at every opportunity I get.

 

[pockyD]

it's a 'mistake' that's not REALLY a mistake

it'd be comparable to if your opponent plugged his controller in, it went to link by random default, then you hit start twice really fast and claimed he made a mistake by not choosing his character

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Unplug their controller and eat a fish.

 

[_wzrd]

it'd be comparable to if your opponent plugged his controller in, it went to link by random default, then you hit start twice really fast and claimed he made a mistake by not choosing his character

In tournament there is usually plenty of time to select your char etc..Stage striking before hand etc

in tourney you should always let them switch/or preferably restart (timer is reset etc.)
in friendlies I don't mind hitting them, or taking a stock even, it's also g if they reset but usually we give each other **** about it in friendlies if that happens haha

 

[Silly Kyle]

I say **** them, Tai, cuz they're playing Sheik. What an ******* move to begin with!!

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

its only happened to me once in tournament, and that time i resetted the match for him.
in friendlies, i always start kneeing them and laughing in their face about it because friendlies are for fun.

 

[RockCrock]

Definately attack them, like in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxxDDNX_t0#t=3m55s

 

[ChivalRuse]

i'll let em transform

i'd rather fight sheik than zelda any way.

Oh, that's right.

 

[FoxLisk]

to address an earlier point: i actually do sort of think it's cheating for players who select sheik before the match transform to zelda to recover. if you want to do that you shouldn't say you're playing sheik, and if you plan to do that then i'll kill you if you start out as zelda. if you're actually playing sheik, i will restart the match or let you transform.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I feel like for our purposes, Sheik and Zelda should be considered the same character. I don't see why anyone should have to communicate which ego they're using before the match ...