Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Wademan94]

Actually I may just replace Lara with Dixie for now as there are some things about her representation that I’m not 100% sure about.

 

[Sunny-Zee]

On one hand, I'm not sure if they'd do themes for passes, otherwise it would have been clear enough, depending on the last two characters of the current one.

On the other, having Shantae, Quote and Sans (or Frisk, if not him) in the same game would be sweet.

Themed [Fighters Passes] sound good and all, but I would probably add Gunvolt and Blaster Master ZERO’s Jason Frudnick to that indie pass (or even replace the Undertale characters based on how... “played out” the game, or Sans at least, by the internet at this point).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Themed [Fighters Passes] sound good and all, but I would probably add Gunvolt and Blaster Master ZERO’s Jason Frudnick to that indie pass (or even replace the Undertale characters based on how... “played out” the game, or Sans at least, by the internet at this point).

Oh yeah, forgot about Jason. He would also double as the ideal guy to represent the late Sunsoft's history.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Problem is, Shantae doesn't show up much in those, iirc. Although Dead Cells won Best Action Game last year, so there is that...



On one hand, I'm not sure if they'd do themes for passes, otherwise it would have been clear enough, depending on the last two characters of the current one.

On the other, having Shantae, Quote and Sans (or Frisk, if not him) in the same game would be sweet.

Quote would need a Curly Brace alt or I RIOT

 

[Wademan94]

Say, would anyone be interested if I went back to discussing ideas for the indie smash game I proposed a while back?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Quote would need a Curly Brace alt or I RIOT

It's only fair, since both got in Blade Strangers.

 

[Wademan94]

Quote would need a Curly Brace alt or I RIOT

Or maybe even as an echo.

 

[Sunny-Zee]

Say, would anyone be interested if I went back to discussing ideas for the indie smash game I proposed a while back?

Alright, shoot. I’m all ears.

 

[Wademan94]

Alright, shoot. I’m all ears.

Well here’s the roster I put together so far:

Spoiler: Big list

Awesomenauts: Voltar the Omniscient
Axiom Verge: Trace
Azure Striker Gunvolt: Gunvolt, Copen
Battle Princess Madelyn: Madelyn
Bit.Trip: CommanderVideo
Blaster Master Zero: Jason Frudnick/SOPHIA III
Bloodstained: Miriam
Cave Story: Quote, Curly Brace
Castle Crashers: Necromancer
Code of Princess: Solange, Ali
Dead Cells: The Prisoner
Dust: An Elysian Tail: Dust
Freedom Planet: Lilac, Carol, Milla, Neera Li,
Guacamelee!: Juan, Tostada
A Hat in Time: Hat Kid
Hollow Knight: Hollow Knight, Hornet
Hyper Light Drifter: Drifter
Iconoclasts: Robin
Indivisible: Ajna
The Messenger: The Messenger
Mighty Switch Force: Patricia Wagon
Mutant Mudds: Max
Noitu Love: Devolution: Xoda Rap, Rilo Doppelori
Rivals of Aether: Orcane, Zetterburn, Wrastor, Kragg
Runbow: Satura
Shantae: Shantae, Risky Boots, Rottytops, Sky, Bolo
Shovel Knight: Shovel Knight, Plague Knight, Specter Knight, King Knight,
Skullgirls: Filia, Cerebella, Peacock, Squigly
Steamworld Dig: Rusty
Undertale: Frisk, Sans

Undecided:
Madeline (Celeste), Cadence (Crypt of the Necrodancer), Kawase (Umihara Kawase), Braid,

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well here’s the roster I put together so far:

Spoiler: Big list

Awesomenauts: Voltar the Omniscient
Axiom Verge: Trace
Azure Striker Gunvolt: Gunvolt, Copen
Bit.Trip: CommanderVideo
Bloodstained: Miriam
Cave Story: Quote, Curly Brace
Castle Crashers: Necromancer
Dead Cells: The Prisoner
Dust: An Elysian Tail: Dust
Freedom Planet: Lilac, Carol, Milla, Neera Li,
Guacamelee!: Juan, Tostada
A Hat in Time: Hat Kid
Hollow Knight: Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter: Drifter
Iconoclasts: Robin
Indivisible: Ajna
The Messenger: The Messenger
Mighty Switch Force: Patricia Wagon
Mutant Mudds: Max
Noitu Love: Devolution: Xoda Rap, Rilo Doppelori
Rivals of Aether: Orcane, Zetterburn, Wrastor, Kragg
Shantae: Shantae, Risky Boots, Rottytops, Sky, Bolo
Shovel Knight: Shovel Knight, Plague Knight, Specter Knight, King Knight,
Skullgirls: Filia, Cerebella, Peacock, Squigly
Steamworld Dig: Rusty
Undertale: Frisk, Sans

Undecided:
Madeline (Celeste), Cadence (Crypt of the Necrodancer), Braid,

I would add Madelyn from Battle Princess Madelyn.

 

[Wademan94]

Code of Princess counts as an indie game, right?

I would add Madelyn from Battle Princess Madelyn.

I’ll look into that one.

 

[Dukefire]

I do have a gut feeling that the final two? might be for other companies rather then indie I say.

Though, I will take it back if it does happen. Still, I think WF has other stuff to do before Sakurai and Nintendo might consider the next big step for indies.

 

[Captain Hazama]

I do have a gut feeling that the final two? might be for other companies rather then indie I say.

Though, I will take it back if it does happen. Still, I think WF has other stuff to do before Sakurai and Nintendo might consider the next big step for indies.

Doesn't hurt to hope. But yeah, I can understand the feeling.

 

[Dukefire]

Well, hope to see some information for Shantae 5 coming on July 4 at Anime Expo.

Spoiler: Image

 

[zferolie]

-Shantae
-Mona (WarioWare)
-Cynthia (Pokémon)
-KOS-MOS
-Lara Croft

Ok, I would kill for a Cynthia character, but she would fight alongside her pokemon. Made a full moveset for her and everything on the Cynthia thread,

Of those though, while Mona is cool, I would love Ashley more, so we could have a very interesting pure mage character.

 

[Wademan94]

Ok, I would kill for a Cynthia character, but she would fight alongside her pokemon. Made a full moveset for her and everything on the Cynthia thread,

Of those though, while Mona is cool, I would love Ashley more, so we could have a very interesting pure mage character.

I still think a moveset like that would be more suited for N and Cynthia would go the Pokemon Change route but it’s still interesting to speculate and discuss.

If she wasn’t an assist already I’d be fully on board with Ashley.

 

[Dukefire]

I'll be off until July 1st to get my mind off towards the Final Two? spots on Fighters Pass DLC.

Time to start Default on the side and then Brave later.

Also, here is a shantae artwork for tonight.
Artist: haerdochan

Spoiler: Fanart

 

[Xevious 1]

Someone mentioned a theory about "themed" season passes (with an Echo pass thrown in). Assuming this isn't a third-party only themed pass, I can imagine Shantae on an Indie-themed pass or (preferably) a "Super Bash Smash Sisters" themed pass.

Shantae
Dixie Kong
Krystal
Jill Valentine
Urbosa, Midna, Mipha, Impa. there is a lot of women from the LoZ series to choose from

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I love your list. Not big on Jill or RE as a whole, but I acknowledged that she has earned a spot.

Of the listed Zelda characters, I would go with Mipha most. A trident would be a unique weapon that isn't used in Ultimate (closest being Palutena's staff) And we currently only have three Fighters based on the water element (Squirtle, Greninja, Corrin) and outside of that we have a few characters with one water move (Isabelle's Bucket, Mario's FLUD, Pacman's Fire Hydrant) Where as you can't even count the number of characters with fire based moves on both hands.

 

[Wademan94]

Of the listed Zelda characters, I would go with Mipha most. A trident would be a unique weapon that isn't used in Ultimate (closest being Palutena's staff)

I mean the water element would be cool and all, but honestly I don’t think she should be the first Zelda character with a trident to be added...

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I mean the water element would be cool and all, but honestly I don’t think she should be the first Zelda character with a trident to be added...

Ultimate has already opted for the Ocarina version of Ganon, Leaving the trident wide open for someone else to select. Besides, historically tridents are associated with water, so thematically it fits better for her.

 

[Wademan94]

Ultimate has already opted for the Ocarina version of Ganon, Leaving the trident wide open for someone else to select. Besides, historically tridents are associated with water, so thematically it fits better for her.

I mean it’s not like multiple versions of one character can’t exist with Smash , this Ganon at least has a ton of potential and has existed in more games than Ganondorf and the trident has been associated with Ganon on multiple occasions.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I mean it’s not like multiple versions of one character can’t exist with Smash , this Ganon at least has a ton of potential and has existed in more games than Ganondorf.

That's certainly true, but Ganon still feels more like a boss character than a fighter and personally I would rather have some Zelda representation that isn't part of the Triforce trio..

The best options would be Midna (fan favorite and main character in her game) and SkullKid (Boss character but small and one of the few Zelda characters to appear in several games OoT, MM, TP) However with them both being trapped as assists, Mipha for me is the next best option.

 

[Wademan94]

That's certainly true, but Ganon still feels more like a boss character than a fighter and personally I would rather have some Zelda representation that isn't part of the Triforce trio..

The best options would be Midna (fan favorite and main character in her game) and SkullKid (Boss character but small and one of the few Zelda characters to appear in several games OoT, MM, TP) However with them both being trapped as assists, Mipha for me is the next best option.

I mean they were able to work with characters that felt more like bosses before .

And I wouldn’t mind a non-Triforce wielder if they weren’t mostly one-offs.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I mean they were able to work with characters that felt more like bosses before .

And I wouldn’t mind a non-Triforce wielder if they weren’t mostly one-offs.

Eh, most all the other franchises have one off characters. Shulk, Dark Pit, Ness, Lucas, Ice Climbers, all of the Fire Emblem characters with except maybe Marth (I know he is referenced in other games, just not sure if he actually shows up in them) Cloud and (depending on how things turn out with Sword and Shield) maybe Incineroar.

Not to mention Zelda already has a one off character with Sheik. And who knows, the champions might come back in BotW 2, they were popular enough to merit it so who knows?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Code of Princess counts as an indie game, right?

Basically, seeing as Nicalis likes to use Solange a fair bit.

Come to think of it, Kawase from Umihara Kawase can fit this too.

 

[Shinuto]

Something to think about, assuming if Shantae got in that we'd also get a remix by Jake Kaufman. Going by the time Grant Kirkhope got contacted for Banjo Kazooie and when they were publically revealed, depending on when she would be revealed we're looking at possibly him being contacted in September at the latest or assuming a Shantae reveal in the fall like say October, it would have been in May.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Something to think about, assuming if Shantae got in that we'd also get a remix by Jake Kaufman. Going by the time Grant Kirkhope got contacted for Banjo Kazooie and when they were publically revealed, depending on when she would be revealed we're looking at possibly him being contacted in September at the latest or assuming a Shantae reveal in the fall like say October, it would have been in May.

That's if they asked him to do the remixes. They didn't ask him to remix the K Rool music so it's possible they had another composer that wanted to take a whack at the Shantae music.

 

[meleebrawler]

Eh, most all the other franchises have one off characters. Shulk, Dark Pit, Ness, Lucas, Ice Climbers, all of the Fire Emblem characters with except maybe Marth (I know he is referenced in other games, just not sure if he actually shows up in them) Cloud and (depending on how things turn out with Sword and Shield) maybe Incineroar.

Not to mention Zelda already has a one off character with Sheik. And who knows, the champions might come back in BotW 2, they were popular enough to merit it so who knows?

They're not coming back. Not in a major role anyway. The game went out of it's way to introduce descendents far more likely to take up their mantle.

If we're still talking indie candidates for that all-stars game I'd like to reiterate Hornet from Hollow Knight, the protagonist of the game's sequel and major boss in the former.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

They're not coming back. Not in a major role anyway. The game went out of it's way to introduce descendents far more likely to take up their mantle.

If we're still talking indie candidates for that all-stars game I'd like to reiterate Hornet from Hollow Knight, the protagonist of the game's sequel and major boss in the former.

There is some interesting speculation going around that BotW 2 might involve traveling back in time to stop calamity Ganon before he resurfaced, only to find the source was a mummified Ganondorf.

Not saying it will happen, but if they wanted to they could come up with any number of reasons to have the Champions show up again. Especially since all the champions were fan favorites where as the only "descendant" to gain much notoriety was Siedon(quotes because only one was a descendant, one was a sibling and the other two weren't related at all)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That's if they asked him to do the remixes. They didn't ask him to remix the K Rool music so it's possible they had another composer that wanted to take a whack at the Shantae music.

I think with third parties, it's a different ballgame than with first party properties owned by Nintendo, since people related to third-party IPs most likely need to be asked permission before deciding whether or not music should just be remixed by composers that aren't the original ones.

And David Wise wasn't even asked for DKC music either, so… Also, are we sure you didn't mix him up with Kirkhope? Kirkhope only did one of the K. Rool themes.

 

[Wademan94]

Updated my list. Added Satura from Runbow as well.

 

[Shinuto]

They're not coming back. Not in a major role anyway. The game went out of it's way to introduce descendents far more likely to take up their mantle.

If we're still talking indie candidates for that all-stars game I'd like to reiterate Hornet from Hollow Knight, the protagonist of the game's sequel and major boss in the former.

Yeah but...no one liked the descendents other than Sidon and Riju.

 

[meleebrawler]

Yeah but...no one liked the descendents other than Sidon and Riju.

The cold specter of death cares little for fan preferences. I feel like the counterparts are more victims of not being fleshed out as much as the heroes, something a sequel is well-suited to rectifying. Comparing them as it is now is a bit unfair.

In other news, it looks like Cadence Of Hyrule is a big hit: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2..._downloaded_game_on_switch_last_week_in_japan

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The cold specter of death cares little for fan preferences. I feel like the counterparts are more victims of not being fleshed out as much as the heroes, something a sequel is well-suited to rectifying. Comparing them as it is now is a bit unfair.

In other news, it looks like Cadence Of Hyrule is a big hit: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2..._downloaded_game_on_switch_last_week_in_japan

Yup. Takes a lot to outsell Cuphead of all things. I have a feeling that Cadence's supporters will bolster up a fair bit from this.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Yup. Takes a lot to outsell Cuphead of all things. I have a feeling that Cadence's supporters will bolster up a fair bit from this.

I'm glad it's doing well, the price is a bit much for me, but I bought Crypt when it was at a huge discount last week. So I'll play that and wait for this one to go on sale as well, possibly during the holidays (already waiting for then to rebuy the Phoenix Wright trilogy)

 

[meleebrawler]

Yup. Takes a lot to outsell Cuphead of all things. I have a feeling that Cadence's supporters will bolster up a fair bit from this.

The weird thing is that the specialties they gave Cadence over Link and Zelda that I'd been pondering about since the reveal ended up being mastery of Shovelry. Her unique weapon is a ''greatshovel'' and her special attack is the Shovel Strike, striking the earth to make spikes erupt from the ground. Both can attack and dig at the same time. Plus the down thrust being in the game means she can shovel pogo as well as the Knight himself.

 

[Deleted member]

The cold specter of death cares little for fan preferences. I feel like the counterparts are more victims of not being fleshed out as much as the heroes, something a sequel is well-suited to rectifying. Comparing them as it is now is a bit unfair.

In other news, it looks like Cadence Of Hyrule is a big hit: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2..._downloaded_game_on_switch_last_week_in_japan

I don't wanna come off as i'm bashing it, so ill preface this with I love the Necrodancer games,

The fact Cadence of Hyrule is a "Zelda" game is probably most of the reason people bought it.
if this was just another Necrodancer game, it wouldn't of sold nearly as much.

You can honestly take just about any game, throw a Zelda skin on it it would probably sell well.

 

[EarlTamm]

I don't wanna come off as i'm bashing it, so ill preface this with I love the Necrodancer games,

The fact Cadence of Hyrule is a "Zelda" game is probably most of the reason people bought it.
if this was just another Necrodancer game, it wouldn't of sold nearly as much.

You can honestly take just about any game, throw a Zelda skin on it it would probably sell well.

It certainly helped of course, but I think there is more to it than just putting on a skin. Much more work goes into this sort of thing than just that, otherwise it wouldn't be a quality crossover game.

 

[zferolie]

A bit off topic, but god damn would love a reboot like this.