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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Dukefire

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Even if they don't have very many options against higher tier characters or in some cases, a terrible recovery?
Sure, there is always a risk/counter for character matchups. If one can overcome it, anything it possible.

Little Mac is one, but that didn't stop other players from continuing.
 

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My mains in Ultimate are definitely going to be: :ultkrool:,:ultbowser:,:ultmewtwo:,:ultridley:,:ultpalutena:,:ultganondorf:, :ultlucina:, :ultbowserjr:, :ultdoc:,:ultduckhunt:,:ultmetaknight:, :ultkirby:, :ultkingdedede:.

Other characters I'll try to play with once in awhile: :ultsimon:, :ultfalcon:,:ultdk:,:ultlink:,:ultness:,:ultrob:,:ultsamus:,:ultdarksamus:,:ultyoshi:,:ultwolf:,:ultyounglink:, :ultzelda:.

I think Ridley is going to be the worst newcomer competitive wise. Who do you think will be the worst one?
I think the newcomer that's going to end up the lowest on the tier list is Dark Samus. The reason I say this, is because of a lot of people saying Samus has gotten really nerfed in Ultimate. So I would expect Dark Samus to not be to far ahead of her or behind her in the tier list if that's true.
 
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And you don't think the super-slow cat with little vertical recovery has a rougher road ahead of him?
Incineroar I think is only slightly better than Ridley. He can actually work in doubles. For example, if Mario and Incineroar were in a team together, and Mario was to use a fireball against him, he could use Revenge and Mario could throw the opponent into Incineroar so he can kill them at 60%.

As for singles, yes it is very easy to run away from him because of his terrible ground speed but I'm pretty sure Incineroar players can work their away around that. If Incineroar was to be knocked off the stage at high percents, he could up-b right away as the cross chop part of it does not last forever, making it easier for him to recover.

From what I've seen, Ridley doesn't have very much vertical recovery either, even with his multiple jumps. His up special doesn't even go that far.
 

Teeb147

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well Congrats. (600)
another step on the way :)

 
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Incineroar I think is only slightly better than Ridley. He can actually work in doubles. For example, if Mario and Incineroar were in a team together, and Mario was to use a fireball against him, he could use Revenge and Mario could throw the opponent into Incineroar so he can kill them at 60%.

As for singles, yes it is very easy to run away from him because of his terrible ground speed but I'm pretty sure Incineroar players can work their away around that. If Incineroar was to be knocked off the stage at high percents, he could up-b right away as the cross chop part of it does not last forever, making it easier for him to recover.

From what I've seen, Ridley doesn't have very much vertical recovery either, even with his multiple jumps. His up special doesn't even go that far.
Revenge seems dependent on the power of the attack absorbed, and if Smash 4 is an indication you can bet they'll nerf the power received from allied attacks just like they did with absorbing moves in doubles.

Everybody's sleeping on Ridley just because he doesn't much that's very flashy. Know who else doesn't? Marth & Lucina. I see Ridley as being a lot like them, relying mainly on good fundamentals to win. Ridley's tail attacks are like swords, and post-E3 has gotten two interesting properties: one, his tail attacks can block projectiles, and two, his down b ignores shields when sweetspotted, giving it similar utility to Shield Breaker. He's fast, has good frame data where it counts and disjoints. He'll be fine, especially once players get more comfortable with defending themselves with aerials offstage and using the lateral angles of his up b (which has a good amount of drift making his recovery deceptively long, especially horizontally).
 
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Revenge seems dependent on the power of the attack absorbed, and if Smash 4 is an indication you can bet they'll nerf the power received from allied attacks just like they did with absorbing moves in doubles.

Everybody's sleeping on Ridley just because he doesn't much that's very flashy. Know who else doesn't? Marth & Lucina. I see Ridley as being a lot like them, relying mainly on good fundamentals to win. Ridley's tail attacks are like swords, and post-E3 has gotten two interesting properties: one, his tail attacks can block projectiles, and two, his down b ignores shields when sweetspotted, giving it similar utility to Shield Breaker. He's fast, has good frame data where it counts and disjoints. He'll be fine, especially once players get more comfortable with defending themselves with aerials offstage and using the lateral angles of his up b (which has a good amount of drift making his recovery deceptively long, especially horizontally).
Marth and Lucina don't look flashy? Don't you mean Chrom?
 

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Marth and Lucina don't look flashy? Don't you mean Chrom?
Name me one thing they do, other than Shield Breaker, that can't be done by any other sword fighter. Not even Marth's tipper is that unique anymore because Ridley has it to a lesser degree on his own tail attacks too.
 

Teeb147

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Name me one thing they do, other than Shield Breaker, that can't be done by any other sword fighter. Not even Marth's tipper is that unique anymore because Ridley has it to a lesser degree on his own tail attacks too.
I dont think it's worth trying to compare marthcina with others too much. They're some of the best characters in the cast right now. Not many can compare to them.
The heavy characters that dont have great recoveries (uh, well most of theme except k.rool.) may have quite hard time with the meta. But if someone can make really good use of them onstage, they'll still be quite a threat.

Anyway. Allow the meta to evolve a bit and we might find out some cool stuff.
 
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Name me one thing they do, other than Shield Breaker, that can't be done by any other sword fighter. Not even Marth's tipper is that unique anymore because Ridley has it to a lesser degree on his own tail attacks too.
One thing they do? Everything Roy does except he has the aether recovery Ike has. I said he *does not* look flashy. Never said he was top tier. Chrom is going to die a lot because he has a nonexistent vertical recovery and his recovery is worse than Little Mac's. If your recovery is worse than his, that's saying something.

It's hard to say what he has since they all play so similarly

Edit: I forgot to put this here. Ridley isn't the only one who has a move that ignores shields. As you said, sheild breaker is one, but you can't forget about command grabs. Just putting that out there.
 
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I dont think it's worth trying to compare marthcina with others too much. They're some of the best characters in the cast right now. Not many can compare to them.
The heavy characters that dont have great recoveries (uh, well most of theme except k.rool.) may have quite hard time with the meta. But if someone can make really good use of them onstage, they'll still be quite a threat.

Anyway. Allow the meta to evolve a bit and we might find out some cool stuff.
What I'm trying to say is that if characters like them can do well with nothing more than good fundamentals with a sword, I don't see why a superheavy with a similar strategy can't be just as good (that said, the changed airdodges may have hurt their recoveries more than we suspect... they're gonna have to be very careful to make it into a position to use Dolphin Slash safely).

I feel the same way comparing Captain Falcon to the recent iterations of Bowser. All the latter lacked in comparison to the former was the ability to reliably start combos from normal attacks due to his slow jumpsquat and landing lag, which is no longer a problem.
 

Teeb147

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What I'm trying to say is that if characters like them can do well with nothing more than good fundamentals with a sword, I don't see why a superheavy with a similar strategy can't be just as good (that said, the changed airdodges may have hurt their recoveries more than we suspect... they're gonna have to be very careful to make it into a position to use Dolphin Slash safely).

I feel the same way comparing Captain Falcon to the recent iterations of Bowser. All the latter lacked in comparison to the former was the ability to reliably start combos from normal attacks due to his slow jumpsquat and landing lag, which is no longer a problem.
They dont just have good fundanmentals, they excel with them way past those other characters. The heavies dont really hold a candle compared to them. What the heavies have is different, and you need to be a really good patient player in order to use them well, at least at top level play.

Ridley does have a few things going, like range and his aerials are pretty decent. Might be an alright character.
 
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Did anyone else just have Youtube go down? I swear, if this is like that incident when they changed there security...
 

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600 pages. We really have come along way. I love this community!!!!

#ShantaeForSmashDLC
 

Mario9919

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I know this might generate debate, but I am starting to think that the 1st wave of dlc for smash ultimate won't be spirit promotions due to the fact that Sakurai said that the 5 characters will be developed from scratch entirely. Do you guys think that cuts Shantae from having any sort of chance?
Not really. I doubt he'd rule out characters that are spirits. And that includes Shantae.
 

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While I dont see 600 pages as monumentous as 500, it's still pretty cool just how far the thread went.
And then there's the dlc phase.

Everyone know which characters they'll play the most?
(beyond those who already posted their roster, i guess)
:ultyounglink::ultkrool::ultdarksamus::ultkirby::ultinkling: Possibility :ultjigglypuff: too since it seems like she finally got some buffs.

Anyway, anything interesting happen recently? Took a bit of a break from Smash speculation to catch up on my backlog. (And I finally got the chance to play Half Genie Hero thanks to Xbox Game Pass. Currently hunting for a Light Shard.)
 
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Not really. I doubt he'd rule out characters that are spirits. And that includes Shantae.
Agreed, in fact I’d say any fighter adapted from a Spirit would technically be developed from scratch because all that’s in of them is a still image with stat alterations and battle using existing assets from the game, an assist trophy has been modeled and animated for the game so I think they’re out of the running for a DLC character.
 
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New Update (reallyshouldofdonethisawhileago): Well guys: as you can see, Smash Ultimate has been around for a while ever since its announcement in March, the true reveal in June, and then the most recent Direct that just so happened to be yesterday. We also so happened to find out about Shovel Knight getting into Smash as an Assist Trophy, which I feel is a huge achievement for the indie scene and it also shows how much of an important impact Shovel Knight himself has made on the indie scene. As for where Shantae stands in all this, I feel it shows that indie characters are not something that Sakurai dislikes, but actually appreciates and doesn't mind adding in content for especially with Shovel Knight being someone that plays an active role on the battlefield. Either way, I'll continue to be around going into the rest of Smash Ultimate's cycle before release and if any DLC gets announced, adding anyone else who wishes to be a supporter along the way: I encourage you all to continue supporting Shantae as you have on all social media websites possible (Facebook and Twitter being the easiest way to do so).

And well... that's all for this update, at least for now! :)

-Yellowlord( :ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight:)

The Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town!


Who is she?
Shantae is a half genie who protects Scuttle Town from the evil pirate Risky Boots and other various villains.

Why?
Shantae is from an infamous game on the Gameboy Color and an amazing sequel on the DSiware that was well received. She has a lot of move-set potential that can revolve around her using her transformation powers. Another thing to point out is the fact that she is from a company that his been mostly Nintendo friendly.

Shantae has recently had a new game; Shantae: Half Genie Hero released just a couple months ago and has done very well for the first entry in the series on a console! In addition, Shantae: Pirate's Curse released a couple of years or so before Half-Genie Hero, which has kept Shantae relevant and alive.

Moveset Potential for Shantae:


Other Content, Ideas, and Misc. from the Shantae Franchise:

Assist Trophy:
Risky Boots appears on the stage and attacks with her sword and she will also summon a group of Tinkerbats to help out.

Stage Ideas:

Hazards: Risky's boat appears in the background every once in a while and shoots cannonballs at the stage. Sometimes the cannonballs will destroy sections of the bridge.


Hazards: N/A

MUSIC:
Dance Through The Danger
Title (Shantae)
Scuttle Town
Adventure
Theme of Risky Boots
Boss Battle
She's Got The Moves
Serious Genie Business
Sand in My Potion
*Insert other music from Half Genie Hero here*
*Insert music from Pirate's Curse here*


Trophies:
Shantae
Final Smash
Mimic
Risky Boots
Rottytops
Sky and Wrench
Bolo
Tinkerbat
Transformations (Monkey, Elephant, Spider, Harpy, and Mermaid)
Abner Cadaver and Poe
Squid Baron
Nega Shantae
Patricia Wagon (Extra WayForward Trophy)


Alternate Costume Ideas:



What she has going for her

- From a company that has mostly released games on Nintendo consoles.

- Her games sell primarily on Nintendo consoles.

- A lot of moveset potential revolving around her ability to shape shift into different things.

- She has other games in the works that will be on Nintendo consoles.

- She would fit in perfectly amongst the cast.

Risky's Revenge trailer
Original game gameplay
An interesting video
Probably very unlikely but i think she deserves some thought and consideration.



Fan Art:

EXTRA LINKS:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Shan...sh-4-3DSWii-U-version/769600476420657?fref=nf
http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Raheem_The_Dream

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Ok, so im not saying that shane cant get in, its just that she is already a spirit
 

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Agreed, in fact I’d say any fighter adapted from a Spirit would technically be developed from scratch because all that’s in of them is a still image with stat alterations and battle using existing assets from the game, an assist trophy has been modeled and animated for the game so I think they’re out of the running for a DLC character.
Yeah, spirits are like trophies in that sense. At least a few of them can be eligible.

And this means that Shovel Knight is still SOL.
 
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Wwlink55

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Yeah, spirits are like trophies in that sense. At least a few of them can be eligible.

And this means that Shovel Knight is still SOL.
Its kind of sad that Shovel Knight is unlikely to be a fighter, though. I would have loved to have both Shantae and Shovel Knight!
 

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Its kind of sad that Shovel Knight is unlikely to be a fighter, though. I would have loved to have both Shantae and Shovel Knight!
That's because he can't really do much. All he can do is dig and fish. Not much you can do with that.

Shantae has a ton of moves and transformations that you can make for a Smash moveset. So Sakurai would have an easier time making her from scratch.
 

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Its kind of sad that Shovel Knight is unlikely to be a fighter, though. I would have loved to have both Shantae and Shovel Knight!
For the record, he also isn't really in Brawlhalla. Instead he and some of his fellow knights are skins for some of the existing fighters.
 

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For the record, he also isn't really in Brawlhalla. Instead he and some of his fellow knights are skins for some of the existing fighters.
Makes you wonder why Ubi decided to be a publisher for a half-baked Smash clone. Rayman isn't getting much better in that.

That's kinda lame. But he's still in quite a few other games, so...yay SK?
He can fight in Blade Strangers, that's fairly neat.

In the meantime, there's still some planned game appearances that aren't ready yet (Starr Mazer comes to mind for me), so he'll be in the public eye still.
 
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Makes you wonder why Ubi decided to be a publisher for a half-baked Smash clone. Rayman isn't getting much better in that.
While he may be bound to using the same basic attacks like everyone else, his heavy attacks do him plenty justice. He's got the long-ranged punches you expect with the the glove weapon, and his axe lets him uniquely move around by hovering with the down heavy attack, in fact he's quite mobile with most of his axe moves, captures the feel of his recent platformers well in my opinion.

Calling it half-baked is kind of unfair given that, with the ridiculous standard set by Smash, almost anything inspired by it will feel like that. Very few companies have as much franchises and characters with clout as Nintendo does, and we wouldn't be getting these wonderful third parties in if it were anything less than outstandingly huge. I think Brawlhalla does enough to put it's own twist on the formula with being balanced around items and how to manage them (you could drop your sword to throw that bomb, but if it misses you'll be left at disadvantage against your still armed opponent), and the backstory for the characters is surprisingly deep and consistent within the eras each character comes from.
 
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That's because he can't really do much. All he can do is dig and fish. Not much you can do with that.

Shantae has a ton of moves and transformations that you can make for a Smash moveset. So Sakurai would have an easier time making her from scratch.
That is a false statement right there. Just play SK/RoA if you want to see what he can do.

Another thing to consider as a general rule; don't count someone out because you think they can't do much. Especially in cases where you might not be as familiar with a character in the first place. I think the Smash community has been proven wrong on this far too often as it is.

Remember these guys? :ultfalcon::ultduckhunt::ultwiifittrainer::ultrob::ultpiranha:

And they're the one's that don't do much. Shovel Knight on the other hand does a lot, so how can one say that he doesn't have much to work with?

It's wrong when people say it about Shantae, and it's still wrong when said of SK or any number of other potential newcomers. And that's not to say that it can't be true in some situations, but cases like those are fewer than you'd think. Afterall, with enough creative liberty even the unlikeliest of characters can work out.

Anyways, didn't mean to go so off topic there. Let's get back to Shantae stuffs.
 
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Mario9919

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That is a false statement right there. Just play SK/RoA if you want to see what he can do.

Another thing to consider as a general rule; don't count someone out because you think they can't do much. Especially in cases where you might not be as familiar with a character in the first place. I think the Smash community has been proven wrong on this far too often as it is.

Remember these guys? :ultfalcon::ultduckhunt::ultwiifittrainer::ultrob::ultpiranha:

And they're the one's that don't do much. Shovel Knight on the other hand does a lot, so how can one say that he doesn't have much to work with?

It's wrong when people say it about Shantae, and it's still wrong when said of SK or any number of other potential newcomers. And that's not to say that it can't be true in some situations, but cases like those are fewer than you'd think. Afterall, with enough creative liberty even the unlikeliest of characters can work out.

Anyways, didn't mean to go so off topic there. Let's get back to Shantae stuffs.
I'm sorry but I just don't see it with Shovel Knight. That's all I have to say about that.
 

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That is a false statement right there. Just play SK/RoA if you want to see what he can do.

Another thing to consider as a general rule; don't count someone out because you think they can't do much. Especially in cases where you might not be as familiar with a character in the first place. I think the Smash community has been proven wrong on this far too often as it is.

Remember these guys? :ultfalcon::ultduckhunt::ultwiifittrainer::ultrob::ultpiranha:

And they're the one's that don't do much. Shovel Knight on the other hand does a lot, so how can one say that he doesn't have much to work with?

It's wrong when people say it about Shantae, and it's still wrong when said of SK or any number of other potential newcomers. And that's not to say that it can't be true in some situations, but cases like those are fewer than you'd think. Afterall, with enough creative liberty even the unlikeliest of characters can work out.

Anyways, didn't mean to go so off topic there. Let's get back to Shantae stuffs.
Uhh Wii Fit Trainer does YOGA.....thats more than enough compared to those chumps she's with.
 
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