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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Shadowknight1

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How much longer do you wish our friendship to continue?
What? At least that way you could guarantee when Rotty comes out rather than praying for her to pop out of one of those trophy cases. Plus this way, Rottytops can't be damaged or KO'ed like Assist Trophies can be.
 
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How likely are these 3 becoming fighters?
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Me:
Isaac-100%
Geno-100%
Shantae-100%
 

Teeb147

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So I just found someone working on a skin mod (on zelda) of Shantae, and it's nice to see a 3d model of her different costumes:

(multiple images)








Well crud the images aint working?
here's the link, anyway:
https://gamebanana.com/skins/157468
 
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So I just found someone working on a skin mod (for zelda on wii u), I think of Shantae, and it's nice to see a 3d model of her different costumes:

(multiple images)
Well crud the images aint working?
here's the link, anyway:

https://gamebanana.com/skins/157468
Maybe it's just me but she looks weird being proportioned like that. I mean the mod is phenomenal, but if she gets in I'd prefer she sorta look like her HGH look but in 3D because I feel like that's the best compromise between her sprite look and artwork look.

Plus there really aren't any Smash characters that are in-between straight anime art and cartoon art, and it feels lacking because of that.
 
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Wwlink55

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Maybe it's just me but she looks weird being proportioned like that. I mean the mod is phenomenal, but if she gets in I'd prefer she sorta look like her HGH look but in 3D because I feel like that's the best compromise between her sprite look and artwork look.

Plus there really aren't any Smash characters that are in-between straight anime art and cartoon art, and it feels lacking because of that.
Toon Link is a pretty close comparison.
 

Teeb147

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Maybe it's just me but she looks weird being proportioned like that. I mean the mod is phenomenal, but if she gets in I'd prefer she sorta look like her HGH look but in 3D because I feel like that's the best compromise between her sprite look and artwork look.

Plus there really aren't any Smash characters that are in-between straight anime art and cartoon art, and it feels lacking because of that.
I'd love for shantae to be the more cartoony side, too :). It doesnt have to be exactly HGH, but I'd like it to have a big incluence regardless.

I think maybe the HGH concept art could be great inspiration for it:



or maybe like this?
 
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Toon Link is a pretty close comparison.
Toon Link to me is just straight cartoon. ALBW or OOX (since they're the same design) Link would be the type of art I was thinking about, and despite having ALBW Zelda they "grew" her proportions up to make a more "realistic" version, which while looking alright, is a bit upsetting and further enforces the divide in Smash Bros character design.
I'd love for shantae to be the more cartoony side, too :). It doesnt have to be exactly HGH, but I'd like it to have a big incluence regardless.

I think maybe the HGH concept art could be great inspiration for it:
That would work really well, but perhaps they could take elements from all the various Shantae versions to make the Ultimate Shantae similar to how King K. Rool is sorta a mesh of two different iterations.
 
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EarlTamm

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Didn't Matt once say Shantae's size would be between Pit and Megaman? Wouldn't Toon Link be a bit shorter than that?
 

Teeb147

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Toon Link to me is just straight cartoon. ALBW or OOX (since they're the same design) Link would be the type of art I thinking about, and despite having ALBW Zelda they "grew" her proportions up to make a more "realistic" version, which while looking alright, is a bit upsetting.

That would work really well, but perhaps they could take elements from all the various Shantae versions to make the Ultimate Shantae similar to how King K. Rool is sorta a mesh of two different iterations.
Yes I'd like that too. Just saying to use the HGH cartoonyness for a great deal of inspiration for it :)

Alright, off I go. hf
 

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So I just found someone working on a skin mod (on zelda) of Shantae, and it's nice to see a 3d model of her different costumes:

(multiple images)








Well crud the images aint working?
here's the link, anyway:
https://gamebanana.com/skins/157468
Other than she looks like she doesn't eat regularly (ribs, collar bone and shoulders area), this is a pretty awesome mod of Shantae.
 

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Why? From my VERY limited understanding of Undertale, he wouldn't really work as a character without nerfing him.
Oh, he'll work; his attacks would be stronger than Brawl Meta Knight, but he'll work: he has 1 defense.

tbh though, his attacks only deal one damage; they just cause a lot more damage while hitting you because of the player's bad karma.
 
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I would love that to be real, but it has Sans as a Assist Trophy in it so that pretty much kills the leak if you ask me.
....how so? We have Shovel Knight as an Assist, allegedly Shantae as a playable character, why is another popular character from one of the most popular indie titles so unimaginable?

Though what bothers me is that Incineroar is missing; Maybe I shouldn’t be putting such blind faith in a leaker, but when just about everything he’s said has come to fruition thus far- with no marks against him, I just don’t see any reason to distrust Vergeben other than pure skepticism. This leak clashes with his claims, and when push comes to shove, I gotta side with the guy who’s got a better track record. This guy is an unknown.
 

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....how so? We have Shovel Knight as an Assist, allegedly Shantae as a playable character, why is another popular character from one of the most popular indie titles so unimaginable?

Though what bothers me is that Incineroar is missing; Maybe I shouldn’t be putting such blind faith in a leaker, but when just about everything he’s said has come to fruition thus far- with no marks against him, I just don’t see any reason to distrust Vergeben other than pure skepticism. This leak clashes with his claims, and when push comes to shove, I gotta side with the guy who’s got a better track record. This guy is an unknown.
It's like I said in my post above, I just see most people seeing Sans as a meme character.
 

Shadowknight1

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....how so? We have Shovel Knight as an Assist, allegedly Shantae as a playable character, why is another popular character from one of the most popular indie titles so unimaginable?

Though what bothers me is that Incineroar is missing; Maybe I shouldn’t be putting such blind faith in a leaker, but when just about everything he’s said has come to fruition thus far- with no marks against him, I just don’t see any reason to distrust Vergeben other than pure skepticism. This leak clashes with his claims, and when push comes to shove, I gotta side with the guy who’s got a better track record. This guy is an unknown.
Vergeben has marks against him. Sure, they may not have anything to do with Smash, but any leaker who has leaked false information should not be trusted.
 

Wwlink55

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I remember you all mentioning the GameFaqs forums.... man...I don't even understand all the hate...


While I honestly would prefer Shantae to a lot of other newcomers, I can at least remain positive that someone is happy that a character could get in. Even if I've never played Golden Sun, I'll be damn happy for all of his fans if he does get in this time.
 

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I remember you all mentioning the GameFaqs forums.... man...I don't even understand all the hate...


While I honestly would prefer Shantae to a lot of other newcomers, I can at least remain positive that someone is happy that a character could get in. Even if I've never played Golden Sun, I'll be damn happy for all of his fans if he does get in this time.
Hey, I'm always hyped for any character!

Even if I don't care for them, at least it's something new, right? And, when a character I do want gets in, I get overhyped really, way too excited! (Hey, maybe, I need to have a "limit" on that sort of thing, to keep me composed, like you have :p)
 
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....how so? We have Shovel Knight as an Assist, allegedly Shantae as a playable character, why is another popular character from one of the most popular indie titles so unimaginable?

Though what bothers me is that Incineroar is missing; Maybe I shouldn’t be putting such blind faith in a leaker, but when just about everything he’s said has come to fruition thus far- with no marks against him, I just don’t see any reason to distrust Vergeben other than pure skepticism. This leak clashes with his claims, and when push comes to shove, I gotta side with the guy who’s got a better track record. This guy is an unknown.
Aside the meme claim, the Switch port of Undertale can seem a tad too recent, yet we still got BOTW and Odyssey stuff, so an AT of Sans is definitely doable.

I remember you all mentioning the GameFaqs forums.... man...I don't even understand all the hate...


While I honestly would prefer Shantae to a lot of other newcomers, I can at least remain positive that someone is happy that a character could get in. Even if I've never played Golden Sun, I'll be damn happy for all of his fans if he does get in this time.
Like I've said before, you just use Gamefaqs for looking at game strategies. Not sure why they need forums and polls, but whatever.
 
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Someone said this I’m not telling you where I found this.

>Shantae is Nintendo's icon/mascot for all indie titles
>Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy, proving that they're willing to partner with/license characters from independent Game devs

So u see?

Shantae is gonna be a fighter because she’s the mascot of nindies and the real face of indies.
Just like:ultmario:,:ultsonic:,:ultmegaman:,and :ultpacman:are the faces of their own company’s

Plus she’ll define indies in a playable way:)
 

Wwlink55

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Aside the meme claim, the Switch port of Undertale can seem a tad too recent, yet we still got BOTW and Odyssey stuff, so an AT of Sans is definitely doable.



Like I've said before, you just use Gamefaqs for looking at game strategies. Not sure why they need forums and polls, but whatever.
Guess im sticking to the subreddit and here for speculation... oof...

Also, I heard there's a Shantae support Discord? Is that affiliated with here?
 

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if anyone made me second guess Shantae's chances, it was ArtsyOmni in his comments thread on my video.
don't worry. his main counter argument was that "Wayforward isn't on an NDA and only aren't vocal anymore because there's no ballot and therefore no reason for them to be vocal" but he doesn't take into account that literally everyone involved with the Shantae I.P. is completely radio silent and not even answering questions pertaining to smash. had she have not been in the game, they could easily save themselves and the entire staff a lot of twitter mentions and questions by simply saying "she's not in the game, guys", similar to what (i hear) Pyra's voice actress did. as far as im aware, there's no counter-argument for them directly and deliberately ignoring any and all discussion related to smash, especially when simply telling people "no" would quell a lot of unnecessary hype/inevitable dissapointment if she ended up not being in the game.
 

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don't worry. his main counter argument was that "Wayforward isn't on an NDA and only aren't vocal anymore because there's no ballot and therefore no reason for them to be vocal" but he doesn't take into account that literally everyone involved with the Shantae I.P. is completely radio silent and not even answering questions pertaining to smash. had she have not been in the game, they could easily save themselves and the entire staff a lot of twitter mentions and questions by simply saying "she's not in the game, guys", similar to what (i hear) Pyra's voice actress did. as far as im aware, there's no counter-argument for them directly and deliberately ignoring any and all discussion related to smash, especially when simply telling people "no" would quell a lot of unnecessary hype/inevitable dissapointment if she ended up not being in the game.
Seriously, the guy in charge of Devil May Cry just straight up said "no" and that was that. If Shantae wasn't in the game they would respond with "I'm sorry, but she isn't in the game" or even go into their corporate "we have nothing to announce" like they have been doing when asked about a new game.

Say Jammies mode wasn't a hint and it was all a coincidence, by now they would know that we all thought it was a hint so why wouldn't they go out of their way to correct it? They have to know that fans thinking something that big was a hint, and then her not being in the game wouldn't reflect well on them. Yes, it would get them some buzz and some attention, but it would be followed by tons of negativity once everyone found out what was really going on.

Wayforward gains NOTHING from letting their fans think Shantae may be in the game if she isn't, so why wouldn't they set everyone straight? They HAVE to be under and NDA. It's the only thing that makes sense. Omni is just in denial because he doesn't want to think she has more going for her chances wise than Rayman.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing sans in smash or issac. But shantae is coming i can almost taste it. And maybe an echo or semi echo a la Richter. The memory of the greatest person who ever lived! Or risky boots...maybe.
 

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Because 1) people actually are okay with that one (including me), since Tellius FE characters are ignored beyond Ike overall, 2) an Echo character doesn't take up an actual unique newcomer slot and 3) I honestly wouldn't be that surprised to see this happening, since every final/base roster reveals usually annoy and baffle people in some way.

So in that sense, if it is fake, it's the most convincing text leak I've seen up to now. Not to mention short killswitch.
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Archanean characters are ignored beyond Marth (not even trophies, which Tellius has had). Elibean characters are ignored beyond Roy (and Lyn's AT). Valentia, Jugdral, and Magvel are ignored entirely. Hell, even Fates isn't represented any better than Tellius in Smash. Why do we need Black Knight?

Fire Emblem is my favorite game series ever. Hell, Radiant Dawn is my favorite video game ever. I'm all for more, but I am strongly against any more sword dudes, even as an echo. I don't want Black Knight in, and I also highly doubt he'll get in, so any "leak" with him on it I am instantly distrustful of.

You say people are "okay" with it, but if Burger King does get in, I guarantee it will only be hardcore Tellius fans happy with non-FE fans crying about another FE character and non-Tellius fans crying about special treatment for games that bombed. Even as an echo.
 

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don't worry. his main counter argument was that "Wayforward isn't on an NDA and only aren't vocal anymore because there's no ballot and therefore no reason for them to be vocal" but he doesn't take into account that literally everyone involved with the Shantae I.P. is completely radio silent and not even answering questions pertaining to smash. had she have not been in the game, they could easily save themselves and the entire staff a lot of twitter mentions and questions by simply saying "she's not in the game, guys", similar to what (i hear) Pyra's voice actress did. as far as im aware, there's no counter-argument for them directly and deliberately ignoring any and all discussion related to smash, especially when simply telling people "no" would quell a lot of unnecessary hype/inevitable dissapointment if she ended up not being in the game.
Sorry if I sound unnecessarily mean here, but it sounds like Artsy is being a giga d-bag right now about all this and it's stupid that he wants to be all like "hur dur WayFoward's not under an nda because there's no ballot" when he didn't do the research.
 
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Wwlink55

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Sorry if I sound unnecessarily mean here, but it sounds like Artsy is being a giga d-bag right now about all this and it's stupid that he wants to be all like "hur dur WayFoward's not under an nda because there's no ballot" when he didn't do the research.
I mean, the lack of a Smash ballot has no connection to a possible NDA...in fact, I would argue you cant have one and the other at the same time...

"HEY, ADD OUR FIGHTER TO SMASH BROS, BUT WE CANT TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY THERE"


I dont remember the exact comment of Artsy, but I would say that dismissing the possibility of an NDA is pretty hard at this point.
 
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Wwlink55

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Alright, got Artsy's comment right here.

"Sorry, but 100% (I'll concede that it's more like 95%) of this is reaching. =P none of this actually points to Shantae being in Smash. It's just a collection of coincidences and observations that can merely be construed to relate to smash but aren't inherently relevant. The only reason they were vocal during the smash ballot and not now is because there isn't a smash ballot for this game, so there's nothing to campaign for. But I get it. It's just for fun. Just.... don't get your hopes up. You'd only be setting yourself up for disappointment. Sorry if this is blunt, but I'm just being real. I like shantae a lot. I just don't see how any of this actually indicates that she's going to be in Smash. " Artsy Omni


While I would say that a lot of the Jammies Mode information is a bit reaching (not completely dismissable, but its tricky to use it to prove anything), the possibility of an NDA is possibly the strongest part of it, on top of the Shantae trademark coincidentally occurring very close to the roster finalization.
 
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Mario9919

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Alright, got Artsy's comment right here.

"Sorry, but 100% (I'll concede that it's more like 95%) of this is reaching. =P none of this actually points to Shantae being in Smash. It's just a collection of coincidences and observations that can merely be construed to relate to smash but aren't inherently relevant. The only reason they were vocal during the smash ballot and not now is because there isn't a smash ballot for this game, so there's nothing to campaign for. But I get it. It's just for fun. Just.... don't get your hopes up. You'd only be setting yourself up for disappointment. Sorry if this is blunt, but I'm just being real. I like shantae a lot. I just don't see how any of this actually indicates that she's going to be in Smash. " Artsy Omni
Honestly, I think all the hints and clues are all too accurate to be not real. Maybe Wayforward did sign a NDA but asked Nintendo if they could do the hint in Jammie mode since that's their way of hints/writing.
 
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