Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Dyllybirdy]

Well then how about we combine. What Pokémon would Shantae have if Pokémon existed in her world?

Going to check Google to see if anyone already answered this.

EDIT: Found this.

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Mom posted that here like, not too long ago...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So completely unrelated but given that the Pokemon in Smash are already clearly based on their anime versions for the most part, how would anyone feel to the out there pick of Team Rocket as a Pokemon newcomer ever? Not like this game, but I mean at ANY point?

One of the few additional trainers I'd be perfectly fine with alongside Masked Royal and our boy Guzma.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

No thanks, on top of there being more Gen 1 when the rest of Pokedex has been largely ignored by both Smash and Gamefreak, it would just bloat the Pokemon roster even further.
If we're gonna get a """team rocket""" rep, just make it Mewoth. You can do a reuglar, run of the mill Meowth, Team Rocket's Mewoth and then Alolan Meowth, all on the same character. It'd fill the same niche without bringing in a ton of unneeded fluff.

I agree.

Why do people want them so badly anyways?
After all, they are anime-exclusive characters, that didn't appear in the games at all.
Well, I know they appeared in Yellow and are set to appear the new games.
However, as far as the main continuity is concerned, they don't exist there.
Not to mention they single-handedly destroyed Team Rocket's reputation as a sinister, intimidating crime organization.
(And I said it once and I'll say it again, the anime is trash.)

 

[GoldLiger]

Mom posted that here like, not too long ago...

Okay, then how about this?

EDIT: Oh and Paragon-Yoshi Jessie and James were in Pokémon Yellow just to let you know.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

EDIT: Oh and Paragon-Yoshi Jessie and James were in Pokémon Yellow just to let you know.

Joke's on you. I actually mentioned that.

 

[GoldLiger]

Joke's on you. I actually mentioned that.

Well they WILL appear in Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee(a mainline Pokémon game) so Liger with the counter lol.

 

[DoctorFate]

Wasn't Ivysaur speculated to be female because of the bulb on its back or something? I remember hearing something about that.

A line from Smashpedia:

• It could be possible that this Ivysaur is a female because, if the camera is positioned correctly a yellow seed is shown. And on the female sprite for Venusaur the same yellow seed is shown.

All Venusaur have a yellow part in their bulb flower, with only females having a seed visible when it opens. Looking into an Ivysaur's petals, I can't really tell if it's a seed or the closed yellow opening that all Venusaur have. I'll just go with the gender ratio, however, and assume it's not a seed until we see it properly.

Bulb flower inside.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Wasn't Ivysaur speculated to be female because of the bulb on its back or something? I remember hearing something about that.

A line from Smashpedia:

• It could be possible that this Ivysaur is a female because, if the camera is positioned correctly a yellow seed is shown. And on the female sprite for Venusaur the same yellow seed is shown.

Smashpedia can be a pretty unreliable source at times. There's no gender difference in Ivysaurs... Ivysaurus?

Regardless, i do think Ivysaur is female considering her voice in the Japanese version.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well they WILL appear in Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee(a mainline Pokémon game) so Liger with the counter lol.

I mentioned that one as well.
Though I am not yet convinced that the new Pokemon-games are part of the main continuity.

Pokemon Yellow was a special edition, to mix the anime with the games.
However, since Yellow was not part of the remakes in Gen 3, it's clear that the continuity of both games and anime couldn't be further apart.

 

[DoctorFate]

Smashpedia can be a pretty unreliable source at times. There's no gender difference in Ivysaurs... Ivysaurus?

Regardless, i do think Ivysaur is female considering her voice in the Japanese version.

I stated this on another post about Ivysaur's Japanese voice:

May's Bulbasaur (and it's evolutions) was voiced by Miyaki Ito. Ivysaur in Smash is voiced by Tomoko Kawakami, a different voice actress. Added onto that, Ash's Bulbasaur is voiced by *another* female voice actress: Megumi Hayashibara. So we can't extrapolate gender from voice alone.

 

[GoldLiger]

I mentioned that one as well.
Though I am not yet convinced that the new Pokemon-games are part of the main continuity.

Pokemon Yellow was a special edition, to mix the anime with the games.
However, since Yellow was not part of the remakes in Gen 3, it's clear that the continuity of both games and anime couldn't be further apart.

They are mainline games as stated by GameFreak themselves. But they are not part of the Core series like the original Red, Blue & Yellow to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Core games are games that have all the key things Red and Blue games had. If it's missing an element then it can be a mainline game but not a Core game(which Pokémon Let's Go fall under).

 

[TheCJBrine]

To be fair, Lucario's first appearance was a movie, even if he was created for the games

I also don't see why it matters whether or not games are part of the main-continuity; we already have spinoff stuff in Smash, and I don't think Nintendo or Sakurai (Or GameFreak and The Pokemon Company as well in this case) would value those games any less.

 

[Shinuto]

I agree.

Why do people want them so badly anyways?
After all, they are anime-exclusive characters, that didn't appear in the games at all.
Well, I know they appeared in Yellow and are set to appear the new games.
However, as far as the main continuity is concerned, they don't exist there.
Not to mention they single-handedly destroyed Team Rocket's reputation as a sinister, intimidating crime organization.
(And I said it once and I'll say it again, the anime is trash.)

How dare you **** on Team Rocket trio. They are fantastic villains, and before you say they suck, thats...the whole point they are homages to the Doronbo Gang of Yatterman.

 

[GoldLiger]

How dare you **** on Team Rocket trio. They are fantastic villains, and before you say they suck, thats...the whole point they are homages to the Doronbo Gang of Yatterman.

"Prepare for trouble, this guy is very lame"
"Make it double, it will always be the same"

I know it's bad lol.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

They are mainline games as stated by GameFreak themselves. But they are not part of the Core series like the original Red, Blue & Yellow to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. Core games are games that have all the key things Red and Blue games had. If it's missing an element then it can be a mainline game but not a Core game(which Pokémon Let's Go fall under).

You basicly just proved my point.
They are not part of the main continuity. Since there, it's just Giovanni, his four executives and his Grunts.
Ergo, the trio does not exist in the main storyline.

How dare you **** on Team Rocket trio. They are fantastic villains, and before you say they suck, thats...the whole point they are homages to the Doronbo Gang of Yatterman.

Which is exactly what has ruined Team Rocket's reputation.
Team Rocket was conceived as a Mafia-like gang, with Giovanni as the Mafia Boss.

These three idiots though...

 

[Shinuto]

You basicly just proved my point.
They are not part of the main continuity. Since there, it's just Giovanni, his four executives and his Grunts.
Ergo, the trio does not exist in the main storyline.


Which is exactly what has ruined Team Rocket's reputation.
Team Rocket was conceived as a Mafia-like gang, with Giovanni as the Mafia Boss.

These three idiots though...

Yeah...and that makes the trio vaslty more interesting than the actual organization.


hmm imagine Shantae fighting them and complimenting Jessie on her hair.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Yeah...and that makes the trio vaslty more interesting than the actual organization.

But they also contradict the standards of Team Rocket, as conceived by GameFreak.
Again, Team Rocket is supposed to be a sinister organization, not a Doronjo rip-off.

What you like better is your business, but it doesn't change the fact Team Rocket was originally conceived as an evil, intimidating organization, which the trio fails to capture...

 

[Makai Wars]

Well they WILL appear in Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee(a mainline Pokémon game) so Liger with the counter lol.

EDIT: Oh and Paragon-Yoshi Paragon-Yoshi Jessie and James were in Pokémon Yellow just to let you know.

Yes, but they were anime debut characters that the devs put in the games as a tie-in. It'd be like saying we can ignore the fact that Goku is a manga character because he has video games.

 

[LunarLiv]

On the off topic topic of pokemon in Smash, I'd just prefer no more Gen 1 pokemon in there. I guess I'm getting sick of the pandering to Gen 1 fans over the past couple years and being a grump but there are over 800 fantastic designs, and there are people who grew up with gold and silver or ruby and sapphire or diamond and pearl and hold those pokemon dear to them. I kinda feel like it's a huge shame to keep sticking to the first 151. That's my basic thoughts of any more pokemon in Smash. Also gimme Gardevoir or Hawlucha or Blaiziken or Sceptile please.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Yes, but they were anime debut characters that the devs put in the games as a tie-in. It'd be like saying we can ignore the fact that Goku is a manga character because he has video games.

Good to see you're actually calling Goku a manga-character.
Since most people say he is an anime-character. : 3

That aside though. What you said doesn't oppose what I've been saying.
You're correct with your statement.
But what is also correct, is that Yellow is not canon.
After all, the trio didn't return in Firered and Leafgreen, or Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.

So the Team Rocket in Red/Blue, Firered/Leafgreen and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon is the canon Team Rocket.

On the off topic topic of pokemon in Smash, I'd just prefer no more Gen 1 pokemon in there. I guess I'm getting sick of the pandering to Gen 1 fans over the past couple years and being a grump but there are over 800 fantastic designs, and there are people who grew up with gold and silver or ruby and sapphire or diamond and pearl and hold those pokemon dear to them. I kinda feel like it's a huge shame to keep sticking to the first 151. That's my basic thoughts of any more pokemon in Smash. Also gimme Gardevoir or Hawlucha or Blaiziken or Sceptile please.

I actually agree with this. : 3

 

[GoldLiger]

Yes, but they were anime debut characters that the devs put in the games as a tie-in. It'd be like saying we can ignore the fact that Goku is a manga character because he has video games.

Except Goku's video games are connected to his timeline universe not another. Jessie and James came from the anime that is true but they were created to be in the Pokémon Universe. Since Pokemon is published by Nintendo they can get away with it. Goku on the other hand cannot since he is own by multiple people.

EDIT: Basically, Shantae would be INFINITELY easier to get into Smash then Son Goku from the DragonBall manga.

 

[zferolie]

So, think this game will pass Naruto's 81 in base? maybe Gundams with DLC? Tenkaichi 3 was filled with echo fighters lol

Doublt we will hit 200 fighters... how the freak does that game have 200 fighters?!

 

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[Paragon-Yoshi]

Except Goku's video games are connected to his timeline universe not another. Jessie and James came from the anime that is true but they were created to be in the Pokémon Universe. Since Pokemon is published by Nintendo they can get away with it. Goku on the other hand cannot since he is own by multiple people.

The anime is a poor representation of the Pokemon games though.
It ignores, if not outright contradicts, so many canon elements from the games.

 

[GoldLiger]

The anime is a poor representation of the Pokemon games though.
It ignores, if not outright contradicts, so many canon elements from the games.

Canon can be changed on a dime. Toriyama the famous writer of DragonBall showed this with the latest Dragon Ball Super Broly Movie trailer.

 

[Makai Wars]

Except Goku's video games are connected to his timeline universe not another. Jessie and James came from the anime that is true but they were created to be in the Pokémon Universe. Since Pokemon is published by Nintendo they can get away with it. Goku on the other hand cannot since he is own by multiple people.

It has nothing to do with rights and just the fact that Sakurai's number 1 rule is that a character needs to originate from a video game to be in Smash, Jessie and James did not.

On the off topic topic of pokemon in Smash, I'd just prefer no more Gen 1 pokemon in there. I guess I'm getting sick of the pandering to Gen 1 fans over the past couple years and being a grump but there are over 800 fantastic designs, and there are people who grew up with gold and silver or ruby and sapphire or diamond and pearl and hold those pokemon dear to them. I kinda feel like it's a huge shame to keep sticking to the first 151. That's my basic thoughts of any more pokemon in Smash. Also gimme Gardevoir or Hawlucha or Blaiziken or Sceptile please.

This is a really big point imo, Gamefreak has been pushing Gen 1 on us since XY with giving the player the Kanto Starters early game, Kanto starter Mega Evolutions (Charizard getting 2), Pokemon Origins being a 6 ep trip back to Kanto, Gen 7 giving us Kanto only Alolan forms, the recent movie being a retelling of Ash's Kanto adventure, and finally LGPE taking us back to Kanto and even cutting the 650+ Pokemon past Gen 1 for no other reason than to appeal to the "there's only 151 Pokemon crowd" who hasn't touched a Pokemon game in like a decade and a half.

The average adult Pokemon fan started with a game that WASN'T Kanto, a good number began with D/P and have been begging for remakes of that instead, and yet Gamefreak continues to pander to Gen 1 fans who stopped playing the games when it stopped being cool. Smash's Pokemon selection is very widely Gen 1 with a few hand picked Pokemon from other generations, leaving some Generations with zero representation at all. Gen 1 was my first but Gen 5 is my favorite, I know it's foolish to think we should keep getting more Pokemon reps but at the very least, if we DO get more can it PLEASE be from another generation that is not Kanto? Oh my god.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

The anime is a poor representation of the Pokemon games though.
It ignores, if not outright contradicts, so many canon elements from the games.

Well, then it's just a loose interpretation of the source material, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

They can take the world in new directions, and put their own unique spin on it.
It does still retain the main foundations of the Pokemon games though.

 

[DerErlenkonig]

I'm very much a Gen II guy, and I hate that it's only representation is freaking Pichu, a baby pokemon (the worst addition of Gen II) of the most overrated pokemon. It sucks. I would love Celebi, or Suicune, or Scizor! Anything but bloody Pichu, but it'll never happen. They couldn't even be bothered to give my precious Gen II starters Mega Evolutions...

 

[TheCJBrine]

They don't care about canon when it comes to characters specifically.

That's why characters have moves they never do in their original games.

We may as well assume Yellow and LGPE are canon anyway, due to Pokemon being in a multiverse. Team Rocket could bring some comedy.

I also highly doubt Sakurai, Nintendo, GameFreak, and The Pokemon Company care about what's "canon" except for character personalites and only their moves if they don't have enough canon stuff (unfortunately Ganondorf is stuck as a late-development Captain Falcon clone whom now uses swords).

Lucario may have been made for the games, but his first appearance was the anime, so I dunno...

edit: and Gengar would be an awesome addition, I don't care about "Gen 1 pandering" as if it doesn't have enough good choices on its own, and I'd also like Gardevoir and a Gen 5 rep.

 

[Teeb147]

Hi.

I mean in terms of human Pokémon characters represented by their Pokémon I’d like to see make it in this game, my heart’s still set on Cynthia, but I wouldn’t be too opposed to the idea of Team Rocket. The only other “villain” I could see from this series is N, but he doesn’t really have a consistent set of Pokémon to chose from

Any news on the Cynthia thread? (no rush, just curious )


And Paragon-Yoshi , since I don't know the details I wont say much more for now, but maybe we'll get back on that topic in the future if there's a need to. Let's just aim for goodness as much as we can


Also, Team rocket is one of the reasons I stopped watching the pokemon anime, so not gonna touch that.

 

[Luigifan18]

I'm very much a Gen II guy, and I hate that it's only representation is freaking Pichu, a baby pokemon (the worst addition of Gen II) of the most overrated pokemon. It sucks. I would love Celebi, or Suicune, or Scizor! Anything but bloody Pichu, but it'll never happen. They couldn't even be bothered to give my precious Gen II starters Mega Evolutions...

Corsola plz

 

[GoldLiger]

They don't care about canon when it comes to characters specifically.

That's why characters have moves they never do in their original games.

We may as well assume Yellow and LGPE are canon anyway, due to Pokemon being in a multiverse. Team Rocket could bring some comedy.

I also highly doubt Sakurai, Nintendo, GameFreak, and The Pokemon Company care about what's "canon" except for character personalites and only their moves if they don't have enough canon stuff (unfortunately Ganondorf is stuck as a late-development Captain Falcon clone whom now uses swords).

Lucario may have been made for the games, but his first appearance was the anime, so I dunno...

Lucario was designed years before his movie came out. That is where they got the idea of what Lucario is and what type of abilities it has was all from GameFreak themselves. Remember guys GEN 2 designs existed at the same time as Gen 1. So Pokémon designs are created months if not YEARS before their GEN debut games.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well, then it's just a loose interpretation of the source material, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

They can take the world in new directions, and put their own unique spin on it.
It does still retain the main foundations of the Pokemon games though.

Well, what is good or bad is entirely subjective.

However, I think they mostly ruined the source material, with character assassinations of characters from the games, ignoring type weaknesses or levels, ignoring most game mechanics for that matter, forcing Dr. Robotnik machines into it, etc.

If you want a Pokemon anime that perfectly captures the spirit of the games, watch Pokemon Origins.

And Paragon-Yoshi , since I don't know the details I wont say much more for now, but maybe we'll get back on that topic in the future if there's a need to. Let's just aim for goodness as much as we can

Wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[OurBraveHero]

I'm surprised so many people believe Shantae will make it in as a fighter; while I think her chances are crazy small, I do agree that if any indie-game character makes sense as an "indie rep" it would be her or Quote from Cave Story, but she's been on Nintendo for 16 years so I could see it. That said I think ANY indie rep being an actual fighter would be like a 5% chance.

 

[DerErlenkonig]

Corsola plz

Dunsparce or we riot.

 

[Wademan94]

Meanwhile, I’m in the background all like...

(Best human Pokémon character for Ultimate btw, fight me)

Any news on the Cynthia thread? (no rush, just curious )

Slow, but I’m still working on it, hopefully I’ll get it set up within the next week or so

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I'm surprised so many people believe Shantae will make it in as a fighter; while I think her chances are crazy small, I do agree that if any indie-game character makes sense as an "indie rep" it would be her or Quote from Cave Story, but she's been on Nintendo for 16 years so I could see it. That said I think ANY indie rep being an actual fighter would be like a 5% chance.

We all would probably believe the same, if it weren't for all the clues and hints.

 

[Deleted member]

We all would probably believe the same, if it weren't for all the clues and hints.

And all dat tin/aluminum foil we had to buy and ended up broke

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

And all dat tin/aluminum foil we had to buy and ended up broke

I'd still say the radio silence of WayForward, the timing, Sakurai visiting WayForward around the ballot-time, and Shantae's absence from other fighting-games are powerful clues in her favor.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm surprised so many people believe Shantae will make it in as a fighter; while I think her chances are crazy small, I do agree that if any indie-game character makes sense as an "indie rep" it would be her or Quote from Cave Story, but she's been on Nintendo for 16 years so I could see it. That said I think ANY indie rep being an actual fighter would be like a 5% chance.

We all would probably believe the same, if it weren't for all the clues and hints.

At first I was pretty low, maybe like 10%. Getting voted characters in the game made it go up quite a bit, then knowing that Shovel Knight made it as an assist gave it another boost (even if salty people have different opinions), then there's WayForward's behaviour which made it go even further, and then the lots of little things(clues or theories that can make sense etc) boost it a little more. I might be over 50% if it wasnt for Sakurai's last statements, but there's different translations for it, and also when taking DLC into account, I think I might still leave it at 50.