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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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War Anvil

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Meanwhile, I’m in the background all like...

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(Best human Pokémon character for Ultimate btw, fight me)

Shout out to Yomi's Biggest Fan Yomi's Biggest Fan .
I'd still say the radio silence of WayForward, the timing, Sakurai visiting WayForward around the ballot-time, and Shantae's absence from other fighting-games are powerful clues in her favor.
We'll see if the stars align soon. To be fair, barely anybody who's leaking the game knows about, or has bothered to mention, that Shantae's in the game, let alone playable.
 
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I agree.

Why do people want them so badly anyways?
After all, they are anime-exclusive characters, that didn't appear in the games at all.
Well, I know they appeared in Yellow and are set to appear the new games.
However, as far as the main continuity is concerned, they don't exist there.
Not to mention they single-handedly destroyed Team Rocket's reputation as a sinister, intimidating crime organization.
(And I said it once and I'll say it again, the anime is trash.)
The anime gives me a nostalgia boner I can't quite get off. For pokemon, I think the picks are based in large part off of the anime.
Pikachu was popularized because of the anime/manga and Pokemon Yellow was based off of the manga.
Jigglypuff was chosen because of the anime. She put people to sleep and drew on then throughout the first season.
Mewtwo was the first badass legendary, but Mewtwo strikes back sort of solidified his place in the roster.
Pokemon Trainer was originally intended to have the 3 final evolutions of Kanto, but they decided to have the 3 evos represented: Squittles is popular due to anime (tell me you don't want a squirtle squad) and Charizard's popularity is hugely affected by the anime to the point where they brought him back.
Lucario I can't quite account for, though he did get a movie.
and Greninja was all game and just a really lucky choice... Imagine if they picked Fox Face or Porcupine.
I agree if they are going to pick Pokemon They should stick to the game, but you can't deny the anime affect
 

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I'm very much a Gen II guy, and I hate that it's only representation is freaking Pichu, a baby pokemon (the worst addition of Gen II) of the most overrated pokemon. It sucks. I would love Celebi, or Suicune, or Scizor! Anything but bloody Pichu, but it'll never happen. They couldn't even be bothered to give my precious Gen II starters Mega Evolutions...
This is why I'm hoping the next main pokemon game adds some new Gen 2 mega evolutions or new forms. I want my Mega Meganium ;~;
Also I started with Gen 2 as well, it's my big fave!

Meanwhile, I’m in the background all like...

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(Best human Pokémon character for Ultimate btw, fight me)
Ok but... YA BOI! GUZMA! (Cynthia is a bab tho, her design is great, if they put another human in from the Pokemon series, I'd love for it to be her)
 

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Did Sakurai actually visit WayForward? I thought that was a previous E3 photo or something.

Regardless, I already feel like Shantae is in Ultimate in some form, otherwise they wouldn't have given generic copy/paste replies and then start being silent instead of flat-out saying "No." There's no reason to think she isn't in the game, because if she's not, WayForward just played stupid and set themselves up for tons of backlash :awesome:
 

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I checked NoA's Twitter and so far, there's no announcements for any Directs for today. However, there could be one imminent within a week or so.
Yeah, it make sense that it'll be sometime in not that long,.. but we can't really know what the timeframe is, since we dont know entirely what's their intents.
So long as it's in october, it's not too bad (at least for me)
 

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Yeah! I am hoping at least that she's in the game in some form because I don't want people to get mad at WayForward. The people from WF are nice ;~;

Plus this is too dang suspicious for it to be nothing. It can't have all been for nothing.
 

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Pikachu was popularized because of the anime/manga and Pokemon Yellow was based off of the manga.
Pikachu was chosen as the mascot before the anime began airing, it was up between Pikachu and Clefairy but Pikachu was more "boy friendly", there's an ongoing manga with a Clefairy as "Red"'s starter Pokemon though.
Jigglypuff was chosen because of the anime. She put people to sleep and drew on then throughout the first season.
It was part this and partially because she had an identical skeleton to Kirby, making her a pretty low effort joke addition, if you look at the two of them in 64 you'll notice Jigglypuff has a ton of shared animations with Kirby, and still does today.
Mewtwo was the first badass legendary, but Mewtwo strikes back sort of solidified his place in the roster.
Mewtwo was the first last boss of the series, but saying it got in Smash because of the movie is kind of out there considering it's status as a legendary.
Pokemon Trainer was originally intended to have the 3 final evolutions of Kanto, but they decided to have the 3 evos represented: Squittles is popular due to anime
I have literally never heard of this before today. Them all being final forms doesn't even make sense from a character design standpoint. It's way more likely PT having a first, middle and final form was the plan from the beginning due to it fitting the gimmick of representing evolition way better. I also simply cannot see Venusaur as a proper fighter.
Lucario I can't quite account for, though he did get a movie.
Lucario was chosen as Gen 4's poster Pokemon, it got a cameo in Gen 3's PMD as the ultimate rank, then a movie, then appeared in nearly all Gen 4 promotional material, had an NPC ingame (Riley) who gave you a Riolu egg and finally was used by Cynthia in the last battle. Ingame it had unique typing, a signature move, and amazing base stats, it was SUPPOSED to be strong, cool and powerful. Gamefreak deliberately chose to put it in Smash because they were banking on it selling merchandise.

As for Greninja, Sakurai stated that he chose Greninja because of his design but I simply cannot buy that. Greninja had all the red flags that Lucario did, it had amazing base stats, a good typing and a unique and totally busted ability that keeps it in OU today. Ash also got a Froakie with some epic sad backstory early in the XY anime timespan and it was treated as his ace from the beginning, implying that TCPI planned from the get-go that Greninja was going to be endgame.

I agree if they are going to pick Pokemon They should stick to the game, but you can't deny the anime affect
You have it backwards, things appear in the anime because Gamefreak/TCPI wants them to be popular both in and out of the game. This is the main reason people can see why Incineroar would be the Pokemon rep if we get one. TCPI has given it multiple spotlight episodes in the anime as if to say "Hey! Incineraor is popular! Buy his figures! Buy his Pokemon card deck!", if he gets in Smash it will be because of TCPI dictating so, not because of the anime. The anime has been used as a promotional vehicle for the games since like...Gen 2.


EDIT: I think the only Pokemon who's gotten in Smash thanks to the anime is Pichu, and he was a low effort clone.
 
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At first I was pretty low, maybe like 10%. Getting voted characters in the game made it go up quite a bit, then knowing that Shovel Knight made it as an assist gave it another boost (even if salty people have different opinions), then there's WayForward's behaviour which made it go even further, and then the lots of little things(clues or theories that can make sense etc) boost it a little more. I might be over 50% if it wasnt for Sakurai's last statements, but there's different translations for it, and also when taking DLC into account, I think I might still leave it at 50.
I think that she'd be likely if there were a lot of slots left, but there aren't. Simply put, I believe Dark Lord Vergeben and that Ken, Incineroar, and possibly Steve and Geno (or Sora) are the final newcomers. Seeing how Shovel Knight fell into the Assist Trophy pitfall, it's very possible that she's gonna suffer the same fate. Given all of the evidence we have, I fully believe she's in the game in some regard. However, all of the hard evidence is either debunked, able to have some other explanation not involving Smash, or able to point to her being an Assist Trophy. I think there's a an 80% chance she's an Assist Trophy, a 19% chance she's a fighter, and a 1% chance she doesn't appear in the game at all, and more importantly, survives to be DLC.

Edit: INB4 people bash me for pessimism.
2nd Edit: As for my want score: 100%
 
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The anime gives me a nostalgia boner I can't quite get off. For pokemon, I think the picks are based in large part off of the anime.
Pikachu was popularized because of the anime/manga and Pokemon Yellow was based off of the manga.
Jigglypuff was chosen because of the anime. She put people to sleep and drew on then throughout the first season.
Mewtwo was the first badass legendary, but Mewtwo strikes back sort of solidified his place in the roster.
Pokemon Trainer was originally intended to have the 3 final evolutions of Kanto, but they decided to have the 3 evos represented: Squittles is popular due to anime (tell me you don't want a squirtle squad) and Charizard's popularity is hugely affected by the anime to the point where they brought him back.
Lucario I can't quite account for, though he did get a movie.
and Greninja was all game and just a really lucky choice... Imagine if they picked Fox Face or Porcupine.
I agree if they are going to pick Pokemon They should stick to the game, but you can't deny the anime affect
i am not denying it, I just don't like it.

The anime does so many stupid things and yet people praise it to the skies.
While the anime that does represent the games perfectly, aka Pokemon Origins, doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
It's just sad...

This is why I'm hoping the next main pokemon game adds some new Gen 2 mega evolutions or new forms. I want my Mega Meganium ;~;
Also I started with Gen 2 as well, it's my big fave!


Ok but... YA BOI! GUZMA! (Cynthia is a bab tho, her design is great, if they put another human in from the Pokemon series, I'd love for it to be her)
Sadly, it seems that Mega Evo's are dead.
It's a shame, I loved them in Gen 6...
 

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I didn't have as much time to work on it last night, but this is what I have so far. Posted on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Alone1sAgain/status/1049765745570324480?s=20

Hopefully, I'll have more time later on after work tonight. I imagine Shantae would be shorter than Daisy, so I made her do a little hop to hip-bump her. I hope nobody minds much... :estatic:
Heh, that's really good so far!
Although, the wording in the Twitter post could've been a little bit better...

"My new Shantae pic so far. As you can see, she's bumping someone..."
Yeah, hmmm...
She's so adorable! <3

I just wish her game was easier to obtain.
 

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I think that she'd be likely if there were a lot of slots left, but there aren't. Simply put, I believe Dark Lord Vergeben and that Ken, Incineroar, and possibly Steve and Geno (or Sora) are the final newcomers. Seeing how Shovel Knight fell into the Assist Trophy pitfall, it's very possible that she's gonna suffer the same fate. Given all of the evidence we have, I fully believe she's in the game in some regard. However, all of the hard evidence is either debunked, able to have some other explanation not involving Smash, or able to point to her being an Assist Trophy. I think there's a an 80% chance she's an Assist Trophy, a 19% chance she's a fighter, and a 1% chance she doesn't appear in the game at all, and more importantly, survives to be DLC.
Can you stop with this nonsense for even half a second?!

Seriously, Teeb addressed your problems in the most polite way possible and yet you keep ignoring them.
It gets really infuritating now...
 
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I think that she'd be likely if there were a lot of slots left, but there aren't. Simply put, I believe Dark Lord Vergeben and that Ken, Incineroar, and possibly Steve and Geno (or Sora) are the final newcomers. Seeing how Shovel Knight fell into the Assist Trophy pitfall, it's very possible that she's gonna suffer the same fate. Given all of the evidence we have, I fully believe she's in the game in some regard. However, all of the hard evidence is either debunked, able to have some other explanation not involving Smash, or able to point to her being an Assist Trophy. I think there's a an 80% chance she's an Assist Trophy, a 19% chance she's a fighter, and a 1% chance she doesn't appear in the game at all, and more importantly, survives to be DLC.

Edit: INB4 people bash me for pessimism.
2nd Edit: As for my want score: 100%
I'm curious. What are these "hard evidences" that have been debunked?
 

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Heh, that's really good so far!
Although, the wording in the Twitter post could've been a little bit better...

"My new Shantae pic so far. As you can see, she's bumping someone..."
Yeah, hmmm...

She's so adorable! <3

I just wish her game was easier to obtain.
Open mouth, insert foot. Hahaha, got it. Thanks.
 
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Is there a difference being a pessimist and being intentionally negative, to the point that you only look at the "truthful" leaker as definitive proof and nothing else?
He’s mostly both for no reason

Btw all of you guys

What I believe is that when Isabelle one of verges safe guesses was shown he decided to go full house on inceniroar ken and Steve? (Shudders) so yeah let’s all agree not to listen to this fraud. That goes for text leaks and let’s not forget Veodok Veodok s guide to the thread....

:ultzelda: Vᴇᴏᴅᴏᴋ's Gᴜɪᴅᴇ ᴛᴏ Tʜɪs Tʜʀᴇᴀᴅ :ultzelda:
1. Text leaks are always fake. :)

2. Until real, substantiable, and easily verifiable evidence is provided for any leak, consider them to be fake.

3. If there is reasonable doubt about the credibility or verifiability of a leak or leaker, then it's always best to air on the side of "false".

3. Not all "evidence" has the same weight. Some have more value than others, and every peice of "evidence" should be discussed to determine its worth.

4. Shantae's inclusion (or exclusion) from Smash Ultimate in any form should not reflect negatively on WayForward/Nintendo or any employee therein.

5. Don't make this thread the center of your life.

6. Check your headspace. If you can't handle dissapointment or hype, you probably shouldn't frequent this thread.

7. If you want to leave, don't attempt to bring people down with you. It has been seen to only cause problems.

8. Remember that this is a Shantae support thread, and it is an apparent rarity on the internet. Unwarranted pessimism only makes people upset. If you'd like to discuss why Shantae is not in Smash, you could simply look literally anywhere else on the internet and you'll find plenty of people with the same opinion. We know we could be blindly hoping for a character that wont happen, but frankly we don't care.

9. This thread is supposed to be fun, not stressful.
 

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Pikachu was chosen as the mascot before the anime began airing, it was up between Pikachu and Clefairy but Pikachu was more "boy friendly", there's an ongoing manga with a Clefairy as "Red"'s starter Pokemon though.

It was part this and partially because she had an identical skeleton to Kirby, making her a pretty low effort joke addition, if you look at the two of them in 64 you'll notice Jigglypuff has a ton of shared animations with Kirby, and still does today.

Mewtwo was the first last boss of the series, but saying it got in Smash because of the movie is kind of out there considering it's status as a legendary.

I have literally never heard of this before today. Them all being final forms doesn't even make sense from a character design standpoint. It's way more likely PT having a first, middle and final form was the plan from the beginning due to it fitting the gimmick of representing evolition way better. I also simply cannot see Venusaur as a proper fighter.

Lucario was chosen as Gen 4's poster Pokemon, it got a cameo in Gen 3's PMD as the ultimate rank, then a movie, then appeared in nearly all Gen 4 promotional material, had an NPC ingame (Riley) who gave you a Riolu egg and finally was used by Cynthia in the last battle. Ingame it had unique typing, a signature move, and amazing base stats, it was SUPPOSED to be strong, cool and powerful. Gamefreak deliberately chose to put it in Smash because they were banking on it selling merchandise.

As for Greninja, Sakurai stated that he chose Greninja because of his design but I simply cannot buy that. Greninja had all the red flags that Lucario did, it had amazing base stats, a good typing and a unique and totally busted ability that keeps it in OU today. Ash also got a Froakie with some epic sad backstory early in the XY anime timespan and it was treated as his ace from the beginning, implying that TCPI planned from the get-go that Greninja was going to be endgame.


You have it backwards, things appear in the anime because Gamefreak/TCPI wants them to be popular both in and out of the game. This is the main reason people can see why Incineroar would be the Pokemon rep if we get one. TCPI has given it multiple spotlight episodes in the anime as if to say "Hey! Incineraor is popular! Buy his figures! Buy his Pokemon card deck!", if he gets in Smash it will be because of TCPI dictating so, not because of the anime. The anime has been used as a promotional vehicle for the games since like...Gen 2.


EDIT: I think the only Pokemon who's gotten in Smash thanks to the anime is Pichu, and he was a low effort clone.
Woof!!! You just tore me apart. lol I also meant Pikachu for the anime
I do believe that Pokemon trainer was supposed to have the final forms though. Maybe it was a false source, but I've heard it more than once.

Thanks for that perspective. So what you're saying is the anime supplements the games? Would that sort of also dictate the rep then?
 
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Ok


Dose anyone intend to listen to Veodok Veodok guide or are you just ignoring it because of some fraud? or is it me that’s annoying you all?
 

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Woof!!! You just tore me apart. lol I also meant Pikachu for the anime
I do believe that Pokemon trainer was supposed to have the final forms though. Maybe it was a false source, but I've heard it more than once.
Thanks for that perspective. So what you're saying is the anime supplements the games? Would that sort of also dictate the rep then?
Ah, I didn't mean for it to be insulting! My mistake. What I'm saying is that everything about Pokemon works in conjunction. Things like the anime begin their planning and development phase WAY before we see even the first trailer, this is why Ho-oh was in the first episode of the Pokemon anime even though Pokemon Gold and Silver didn't come out till years after.

When it comes to Pokemon in Smash, it works the same way. Lucario was likely decided to become the promotional Pokemon for the next generation when we were all still learning about Mudkip and Torchic. It takes a lot of time to make an entire animated movie after all. Therefore, saying X Pokemon is in BECAUSE of the anime isn't quite right, rather X Pokemon was decided to be in both Smash and the anime years before either of these things were shown to us. There's no denying the anime has a huge effect on Pokemon's presentation as a whole, but that's because both the anime and the games work in tandem to sell us whatever Gamefreak/TCPI is trying to pawn off.

This is why Incineroar has such a strong case even if I personally can't stand it it has mixed reception among fans. Two signature moves, a spot as the rival in the movie that came out before Gen 7, is the starter Pokemon of the Pokemon Special manga for Alola, got the ability and stats that make it #1 in VCG, plenty of appearances in the anime and merch outside of it (namely Pokemon cards). If Incineroar gets in Smash, it will be because it was decided way back before we even knew of the first form Alolan starters, because TCPI wanted to promote it right out of the gate. This is kind of a bad thing because even if the fans choose another Pokemon they like way better (Mimikyu and Rowlet consistently poll way better than Ininceroar) we're getting the less popular Pokemon because of marketing and promotion.
 
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Any news guys ? Did I miss some interesting stuff ?
Also, I'm disappointed that we haven't had any news for the next Direct yet.... How long will it take ARRRRRRRRGGGGGG
 

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Any news guys ? Did I miss some interesting stuff ?
Also, I'm disappointed that we haven't had any news for the next Direct yet.... How long will it take ARRRRRRRRGGGGGG
Hello Majesty! :D

How are you doing?

I don't think you missed anything of too much note, so you're fine there. :)
And yeah, the wait for this direct is getting WAY too long haha!
 

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There was discussion earlier on famous Let's Players and Shantae: the Two Best Friends gang played a few one-offs of Pirate's Curse and HGH.

Woolie is a big fan of Wayforward.
The only WF game to get a full LP is Double Dragon Neon. (Unless I'm forgetting something.)
 
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