Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Shadowknight1]

Yo is rotty actually.........



WEB searching?

 

[KoopaSaki]

Here’s hoping we get some Smash direct news later today. It’s be awesome to have a huge reveal tomorrow just like how sonic was 10 years ago. Also it’s the anniversary of Shantae and the pirates curse! I think I’m gonna go replay that.

 

[DOTBHDD]

Feeling the info drought.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

If they don't say anything in the next 20 or so minutes, I'd think that they just removed the "new" banner because there's nothing "new" to show off, and that there are no more reveals until November.

 

[zferolie]

If they don't say anything in the next 20 or so minutes, I'd think that they just removed the "new" banner because there's nothing "new" to show off, and that there are no more reveals until November.

They kept the NEW on the site for 2 full months before removing it. Why remove it after barely a month this time if they weren't planning on updating it?

And 20 minutes is a crap shoot. expect some kind of announcment today or tommorow.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

They kept the NEW on the site for 2 full months before removing it. Why remove it after barely a month this time if they weren't planning on updating it?

And 20 minutes is a crap shoot. expect some kind of announcment today or tommorow.

I actually forgot about that part with the keeping the "new" for 2 whole months. And I said 20 or so minutes because I'm pretty sure that's when they revealed the Isabelle Direct and then re-revealed it. It could be later, but I personally think it would be in a few minutes. We'll see tho.

 

[Shadowknight1]

If they don't say anything in the next 20 or so minutes, I'd think that they just removed the "new" banner because there's nothing "new" to show off, and that there are no more reveals until November.

You just drip pessimism don't you?

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

You just drip pessimism don't you?

*looks down in shame* yeah.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

*looks down in shame* yeah.

Aww, no need to be ashamed.

Have you even seen my pessimism?

 

[Dukefire]

Not much for the morning (on my side.)
Not related to Shantae for this post, but I hope you enjoy it

Artist: RainyAzureHoodie

 

[Deleted member]

Nothing new from Nintendo = no new direct until november

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Guys I’m scared hold me

Also go away Hollywoodrok before you cause another depression bomb like you did previous times

 

[zferolie]

Nothing new from Nintendo = no new direct until november

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Guys I’m scared hold me

Also go away Hollywoodrok before you cause another depression bomb like you did previous times

DIdn't he say shortly afterwards that thats not what he thinks but is just basing on what he is hearing and seeing from a lot of people in the community

 

[Arcadenblog]

I'd like to ask something. How did this thread get so big? Like, do people want Shantae that much? If so, why?

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Aww, no need to be ashamed.

Have you even seen my pessimism?

That's not pessimism. That's just you beat yourself (and occasionally Connor) up.

Anywho, it doesn't look like we're getting a reveal this month. Would've just been Incineroar anyway.

Speaking of which, I'm pulling a Connor here, but Is this fake? I want it to be fake. https://twitter.com/rSmashBrosUltim/status/1049503242348949507

 

[Dukefire]

Nothing new from Nintendo = no new direct until november

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Guys I’m scared hold me

Also go away Hollywoodrok before you cause another depression bomb like you did previous times

Probably not all of them is getting in since there are other characters wanting to take that spot.

Vegaban was right for the most part, but even then, sources can sometimes be wrong and can be completely different.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

I wouldn't say panic till the week is actually over.

 

[Deleted member]

That's not pessimism. That's just you beat yourself (and occasionally Connor) up.

Anywho, it doesn't look like we're getting a reveal this month. Would've just been Incineroar anyway.

Speaking of which, I'm pulling a Connor here, but Is this fake? I want it to be fake. https://twitter.com/rSmashBrosUltim/status/1049503242348949507

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You fake leakers disgust me

 

[zferolie]

Probably not all of them is getting in since there are other characters wanting to take that spot.

Vegaban was right for the most part, but even then, sources can sometimes be wrong and can be completely different.

Verg only leaked barely half the roster. He didn't guess Daisy, K Rool, CHrom, Dark Samus, or Richter. CHances our he still doesn't know everyone.

and I don't beleive that guy in the tweet either. All he got right was what, the E3 props or something?

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You fake leakers disgust me

So you get a actual back of box or maginze page, and you don't actually take a picture of the new character.

Fakest Bull**** every

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Nothing new from Nintendo = no new direct until november

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Guys I’m scared hold me

Also go away Hollywoodrok before you cause another depression bomb like you did previous times

Oh come on Connor, don't be scared.

It's all gonna be alright.
Except, I'm not gonna hold you. That'd just be odd.

I'd like to ask something. How did this thread get so big? Like, do people want Shantae that much? If so, why?

Reasons.

Well, she's liked for her uniqueness, personality, charm. Her friends, and her world are very fun. Her fans are really passionate too.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I didn't see that part, that's pretty harsh if they did say that. I would chalk it up as someone being frustrated (with some arguments, Im guessing). Things like that happen when frustration spills over the discussion. It's not good when it borders on insults, and in some cases it might even cause a warning, but to me calling it as being toxic for not being able to manage their emotions is kind of harsh as well. I know it's hard to stay respectful when someone's not respectful to us, and really I think if it gets to that point it may be a time to either say one last thing, like about not liking the way the discussion is going and about letting go of the discussion for the time, and if it doesn't stop then ignore them or something.

For the record, I am very careful with what I consider toxic.
However, someone going out of their way to constantly twist around words and being offensive to someone definitely qualifies.
And I don't even mean in an angered way.
But in a really arrogant, obnoxious and bully sort of way.

Now someone being angered and becoming aggressive for whatever reason in a discussion isn't good either.
Since most of the time, that fury is completely unwarranted.
However, it's more about a lack of empathy than being truly toxic, in this case.

 

[Dukefire]

Verg only leaked barely half the roster. He didn't guess Daisy, K Rool, CHrom, Dark Samus, or Richter. CHances our he still doesn't know everyone.

and I don't beleive that guy in the tweet either. All he got right was what, the E3 props or something?

I never leave my trust on leaks. Besides, I'm currently waiting for more official smash news from Nintendo Themselves. They know we can't be hanging forever on the same bait.

I don't know who originally made it. Sorry.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

If they don't say anything in the next 20 or so minutes, I'd think that they just removed the "new" banner because there's nothing "new" to show off, and that there are no more reveals until November.

I see you're completely ignoring what Teeb has been saying.

 

[DoctorFate]

I'd like to ask something. How did this thread get so big? Like, do people want Shantae that much? If so, why?

So, just a few bullet points from me:

- 4 good games which have almost entirely been Nintendo exclusive and critically well received. One of which saved the DSi shop.
- one of the first indie characters and a spearhead of the metroidvania style.
- well developed character in her own right with a fun, multifaceted personality.
- expansive potential move list with magic, transformations, and pirate equipment.
- another female fighter, which we are sorely lacking
- cute and incrediblely expressive character design

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I see you're completely ignoring what Teeb has been saying.

He ignoring mommy!

That make me sad.

 

[Red Dead Redeemed]

I'd like to ask something. How did this thread get so big? Like, do people want Shantae that much? If so, why?

Cause it's fun to speculate about her when she has a lot of evidence that would normally be dismissed as coincidence (I certainly do 99% of the time) but yet it just keeps piling up and up to the point where I can't just dismiss it all as a string of unconnected events. There's actually a Google Doc somewhere that documents all of them but the big one is WayForward's weird radio silence regarding Smash when they're normally a pretty open company, especially during the Smash 4 days when they openly campaigned for Shantae in Smash. (also if anyone has the link to that Google Doc could someone post it, or better yet get one of the mods to post it on the first page for easy access please?)

There's also the oddly specific wording in Jammies mode (that was developed way before E3) referring to the "ultimate" slumber party and how "everyone is invited." The lack of her appearances in other indie fighting games despite having numerous cameos in other non-fighting indie games is also rather eyebrow raising. There's also more conspiratorial crap like the Arabic looking furniture in the room Sakurai was in during the Smash Direct and a couple of oddly vague tweets by people involved in Shantae such as this and this.

My general rule of thumb regarding coincidences is that one coincidence is just that, a coincidence and can be safely ignored. Two coincidence is worth an eyebrow raise for a second but can also be ignored. Three coincidences is when things start to smell fishy and you should keep your eyes open. Four or more means there's definitely something going on. The possibility of Shantae in Smash has passed this test in my opinion.

For me, I'm on board (even though I haven't actually played Shantae's games) because it's a thousand times more fun to speculate on a character with this much weird evidence surrounding her than most other characters that only have a "how popular/iconic/relevant is this character" reasons to discuss whether they're in or not.

 

[zferolie]

I never leave my trust on leaks. Besides, I'm currently waiting for more official smash news from Nintendo Themselves. They know we can't be hanging forever on the same bait.

I don't know who originally made it. Sorry.

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I pretty much ignore all leaks myself, just is dumnb seeing people latch onto some doumb ones

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

I'd like to ask something. How did this thread get so big? Like, do people want Shantae that much? If so, why?

Here are a couple of reasons why we want her:

1: She's a good Indie rep, and would be a Nindie rep, unlike Steve

2: She has amazing moveset potential, being able to use her hair as a whip, along with magic, transformations, pirate gear and items from her 4 games. The problem with creating such a moveset isn't what could she use, but what should she use.

3: She has good history with Nintendo, dating back to 2002, something other indies can't say.

As for why the thread became so big, it was because some of us found evidence for her inclusion after SK got deconfirmed.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

Cause it's fun to speculate about her when she has a lot of evidence that would normally be dismissed as coincidence (I certainly do 99% of the time) but yet it just keeps piling up and up to the point where I can't just dismiss it all as a string of unconnected events. There's actually a Google Doc somewhere that documents all of them but the big one is WayForward's weird radio silence regarding Smash when they're normally a pretty open company, especially during the Smash 4 days when they openly campaigned for Shantae in Smash. (also if anyone has the link to that Google Doc could someone post it, or better yet get one of the mods to post it on the first page for easy access please?)

There's also the oddly specific wording in Jammies mode (that was developed way before E3) referring to the "ultimate" slumber party and how "everyone is invited." The lack of her appearances in other indie fighting games despite having numerous cameos in other non-fighting indie games is also rather eyebrow raising. There's also more conspiratorial crap like the Arabic looking furniture in the room Sakurai was in during the Smash Direct and a couple of oddly vague tweets by people involved in Shantae such as this and this.

My general rule of thumb regarding coincidences is that one coincidence is just that, a coincidence and can be safely ignored. Two coincidence is worth an eyebrow raise for a second but can also be ignored. Three coincidences is when things start to smell fishy and you should keep your eyes open. Four or more means there's definitely something going on. The possibility of Shantae in Smash has passed this test in my opinion.

For me, I'm on board (even though I haven't actually played Shantae's games) because it's a thousand times more fun to speculate on a character with this much weird evidence surrounding her than most other characters that only have a "how popular/iconic/relevant is this character" reasons to discuss whether they're in or not.

This is pretty interesting you're interested in our line of conspiracies. Actually, quick talk, did anybody here make a legitimate conspiracy web and took a photo of it? I want to see it.

 

[Deleted member]

Here me out!......

-face of Nintendo
-face of stealth games
-face of sega
-face of sidescrollers
-face of retro games
-face of fighting games
-face of rpgs
-face of hack n slashes
-face of metroidvanias

-face of indies/nindies/TRUE face of indies

It’s gonna happen just you wait!!!!

Bonus:

-face of Ubisoft
I believe he’s still in.

 

[Luigifan18]

Bayonetta is not really a "hack-and-slash", since bladed weapons aren't involved in much of the combat; Bayonetta tends to use her fists more often. The Bayonetta games are considered "stylish action games" (the sub-genre of beat-em-ups pioneered by Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe (though calling Devil May Cry a "beat-em-up" is weird since Dante does do more fighting with swords than with his fists...)). And it's especially weird since both Bayonetta and Devil May Cry emphasize using a fairly even mix of gunplay and melee weapons (fists primarily for Bayonetta, swords primarily for Dante, though both get a pretty wide variety) to defeat opponents, so they aren't even really pure beat-em-up/hack-and-slash games — and as previously mentioned, they encourage you to perform flashy, elaborate combos rather than beating foes to a pulp in a straightforward, monotonous fashion, hence the "stylish action" label.

...Now that I think about it, the distinction between "hack-and-slash" and "beat-em-up" is weird in general, since it's really based more on what weapon (or lack thereof) the protagonist (and most of their enemies) wield (which ends up being largely an aesthetic distinction in video games) rather than how the game itself is played, which is kind of an odd way to define a genre. Seriously, if an action game hero wields a club or other non-fist blunt weapon rather than bare fists or some sort of gauntlets, do we call the game a "beat-em-up" or something different, like "bash-and-smash"? A game can't be called a "hack-and-slash" if your primary weapon doesn't cut or stab things...

 

[Deleted member]

Bayonetta is not really a "hack-and-slash", since bladed weapons aren't involved in much of the combat; Bayonetta tends to use her fists more often. The Bayonetta games are considered "stylish action games" (the sub-genre of beat-em-ups pioneered by Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe (though calling Devil May Cry a "beat-em-up" is weird since Dante does do more fighting with swords than with his fists...)). And it's especially weird since both Bayonetta and Devil May Cry emphasize using a fairly even mix of melee weapons (fists primarily for Bayonetta, swords primarily for Dante) and guns to defeat opponents, so they aren't even really pure beat-em-up/hack-and-slash games.

...Now that I think about it, the distinction between "hack-and-slash" and "beat-em-up" is weird in general, since it's really based more on what weapon (or lack thereof) the protagonist (and most of their enemies) wield (which ends up being largely an aesthetic distinction in video games) rather than how the game itself is played, which is kind of an odd way to define a genre. Seriously, if an action game hero wields a club rather than bare fists or some sort of gauntlets, do we call the game a "beat-em-up" or something different, like "bash-and-smash"? A game can't be called a "hack-and-slash" if your primary weapon doesn't cut or stab things...

Sorry It was the only one I could come up with and she’s the only one that’s a hack n slash in smash






Dante ain’t happening btw

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Here's something completely unrelated to the present discussion, but I'm bored, the thread is moving at a very slow pace, and I I need an excuse to post.
I wanted to ask a quick question here: How many of you have heard of this?

It's really interesting, but I don't know much about it's history or anything. It's a physical version of both Mighty Switch Force! Hyper Drive Edition, and Risky's Revenge - Director's Cut in the same case/sleeve. I thought I'd just post that here, in case one of you knew something about it's origin.

 

[Luigifan18]

Sorry It was the only one I could come up with and she’s the only one that’s a hack n slash in smash






Dante ain’t happening btw

I mentioned Devil May Cry as one of the progenitors for the sort of game Bayonetta is. I didn't say anything regarding Dante's odds of getting into Smash, I just got caught up in comparing and contrasting him to Bayonetta.

Actually, I haven't even played a Devil May Cry or Bayonetta game, so all my knowledge of those is second-hand stuff (mostly reading about them on TV Tropes). I have played all of the Viewtiful Joe games except for Red Hot Rumble, and there actually wasn't a huge amount of variety in Joe and Silvia's moves, so the combat in that game did tend to resemble "monotonous beatdown" rather than "flashy combos" (it didn't help that Red Hot One Hundred is the best move in the game by far when it comes to DPS, so that tended to always be what you were hitting the bosses and Elite Mooks with). Still, Viewtiful Joe did start up the "stylish action" sub-genre along with Devil May Cry, since it graded your performance and actively encouraged you to play well.

 

[meleebrawler]

Here's something completely unrelated to the present discussion, but I'm bored, the thread is moving at a very slow pace, and I I need an excuse to post.
I wanted to ask a quick question here: How many of you have heard of this?
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It's really interesting, but I don't know much about it's history or anything. It's a physical version of both Mighty Switch Force! Hyper Drive Edition, and Risky's Revenge - Director's Cut in the same case/sleeve. I thought I'd just post that here, in case one of you knew something about it's origin.

I stand by my prediction that Patricia Wagon will be the assist accompanying Shantae as an extra Wayforward rep.

 

[Tybalt: Herbal One]

YOu haven't been watching the Sun & Moon anime then. He gets killed by Mimikyu like every episode.

Clearly Meowth has been accessing the Morphogenetic Field.

 

[Door Key Pig]

So, just a few bullet points from me:

- 4 good games which have almost entirely been Nintendo exclusive and critically well received. One of which saved the DSi shop.
- one of the first indie characters and a spearhead of the metroidvania style.
- well developed character in her own right with a fun, multifaceted personality.
- expansive potential move list with magic, transformations, and pirate equipment.
- another female fighter, which we are sorely lacking
- cute and incrediblely expressive character design

How are we sorely lacking in female fighters??

 

[Stephano]

Nothing new from Nintendo = no new direct until november

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Guys I’m scared hold me

Also go away Hollywoodrok before you cause another depression bomb like you did previous times

You’re not helping, dude

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

How are we sorely lacking in female fighters??

VS
ultroy:

Before you mention anything, this is Females vs non-females with Pokémon being undefined unless with gender-defining features (Pikachu), and dual gender fighters being their default. (Dark Samus is Genderless)

While it's been worse, there's still a big disparity between Males and Females.

 

[zferolie]

How are we sorely lacking in female fighters??

Not counter alt skins(like female Robin and Corrin, Wendy), we have Daisy, Peach, Zelda, Rosalina, Bayonetta, Samus, ZSS, Isabelle, Wii Fit Trainer, Lucina, Palutena, and Inkling out of the 72 size cast only 12 are female. Thats a bit low. Getting more female characters is never a bad thing(Shantae, Medusa, Dixie Kong, Lip, Ayumi, ect)

 

[Kuon]

How are we sorely lacking in female fighters??

I agree we need more female fighters. 1/4 of the roster being female just doesn't seem very fair, since plenty of girls play Smash. We need more waifus.