Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[The Robot Dump]

I think there'll be a lot of disappointed geno fans after the game awards, since they put so much into coincidences.

Well, that's their problem, since they are so obsessed with Geno.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Verge had legit sources. He had quite a few, and some of them weren't good though, he did get a few things wrong, but much more right. and knew the grinch leak wasn't real too. Some say probably even knew of steve, the character was in the works for a very long time.

Just because someone sucks, doesnt mean they're not legit for some things

And when was any of this proven?

 

[Teeb147]

And when was any of this proven?

When he got the most characters right out of any smash leaker, lol.

Got Ridley, Simon, Isabelle, Incineroar, and Ken. Then Banjo, Hero, and Terry. And possibly Steve. +veteran characters (like Snake and Ice climbers, etc)
He also got non-character stuff right too.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

When he got the most characters right out of any smash leaker, lol.

Got Ridley, Simon, Isabelle, Incineroar, and Ken. Then Banjo, Hero, and Terry. And possibly Steve. +veteran characters (like Snake and Ice climbers, etc)
He also got non-character stuff right too.

That's not proof.
Flimsy evidence at best.

Like I said, he was very good at making accurate predictions.
And it takes more than good accuracy to convince me otherwise.
If he could give us names within Nintendo and they confirm to be his sources, that would be conclusive evidence.

 

[Teeb147]

That's not proof.
Flimsy evidence at best.

Like I said, he was very good at making accurate predictions.
And it takes more than good accuracy to convince me otherwise.
If he could give us names within Nintendo and they confirm to be his sources, that would be conclusive evidence.

People aren't good at making accurate predictions. You just don't want to give him any credit because you don't like him, that's my prediction

If you know satistics, it's impossibly unlikely to get that many right randomly. He had connections. Doesn't mean he has much that's relevant now tho.
Saying names of sources is crazy, they'd be trashed. You can't expect things like that.

Edit: It's actually giving him insanely great credit if you think he's that super smart to accurately predict all those characters. He's not that smart. It would take some kind of super genius for that.
Out of all characters possible, someone would get more wrong than right. The only thing he got wrong was saying that the SE character would be first, for dlc (it was 2nd)

 

[Dukefire]

Or someone that can see somewhat into the future. Still, no leaks can predict who's coming since only Sakurai and Nintendo hold all the cards. Also, the picks are already chosen before FP1 was complete.

Last time, 1 day before the VGA. (Time flies by so fast.)

 

[The Robot Dump]

Or someone that can see somewhat into the future. Still, no leaks can predict who's coming since only Sakurai and Nintendo hold all the cards. Also, the picks are already chosen before FP1 was complete.

Last time, 1 day before the VGA. (Time flies by so fast.)

I think Vergeben may have never known the existence of FP2 besides Steve and when he was stripped of all sources for leaks, he is unable to leak anything else.

 

[Teeb147]

I think Vergeben may have never known the existence of FP2 besides Steve and when he was stripped of all sources for leaks, he is unable to leak anything else.

He's been almost completely quiet on smash leaks, and actually so have other leakers that got things, people are really tight lipped this fighter pass. :O
That's not bad though. I'd rather be surprised than have in before the reveals.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

If you know satistics, it's impossibly unlikely to get that many right randomly.

Unlikely, yes. But not impossible.
Which is the point really. The possibility of good predictions hasn't been disproven yet.

And until a source actually speaks up and admits leaking to him, we will never be able to prove beyond all doubt that he wasn't just very good at predictions.
Everything you presented is just circumstantial evidence.
Nothing that can conclusively prove anything.

 

[Dukefire]

I think Vergeben may have never known the existence of FP2 besides Steve and when he was stripped of all sources for leaks, he is unable to leak anything else.

Well, Steve was more or less at the time, one of the highly requested and the butt end of the joke for some people before October 2020 reveal.

For Shantae, I think she might not be the next fighter in the remaining 3 slots (should challenger 8 be revealed somewhere in December.), but I still wait patiently. Though, it is up to Nintendo and Sakurai while FP2 was still in discussion.

 

[The Robot Dump]

Well, Steve was more or less at the time, one of the highly requested and the butt end of the joke for some people before October 2020 reveal.

For Shantae, I think she might not be the next fighter in the remaining 3 slots (should challenger 8 be revealed somewhere in December.), but I still wait patiently. Though, it is up to Nintendo and Sakurai while FP2 was still in discussion.

We'll have to wait and see if the leak Shinuto posted is real. For me, it's looking to head in that direction. Just my opinion though.

 

[Teeb147]

Unlikely, yes. But not impossible.
Which is the point really. The possibility of good predictions hasn't been disproven yet.

And until a source actually speaks up and admits leaking to him, we will never be able to prove beyond all doubt that he wasn't just very good as predictions.
Everything you presented is just circumstantial evidence.
Nothing that can conclusively prove anything.

That's unreasonable
You can't know everything for sure. It doesn't deny the most likely reality, which is big time.. like 99.9% chance that he had legit sources.

Anyway, if you just want to believe what you want, that's your business. Kind of useless to talk about, especially at this point.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

That's unreasonable
You can't know everything for sure. It doesn't deny the most likely reality, which is big time.. like 99.9% chance that he had legit sources.

Anyway, if you just want to believe what you want, that's your business. Kind of useless to talk about, especially at this point.

How is that unreasonable?
Asking for proof to confirm a story is not unreasonable.
It's basic scrutiny and fact checking.

 

[Dukefire]

Beware of Red Herrings. Plus with Nintendo's actions recently, I don't think they have any plans for announcements at the VGA. Still, I could be surprised if they did since the pandemic did throw a wrench into everyone's schedules.

Also, which game would win the GOTY award?

 

[Teeb147]

How is that unreasonable?
Asking for proof to confirm a story is not unreasonable.
It's basic scrutiny and fact checking.

No. Reality doesn't work like that. You can't know for sure that your door knob wont break when you turn it. There's a very small chance that it will, but you operate with what makes most sense. The chances of him not having sources and getting all that right are way too low. And it's making him out to be a genius, seriously, I dont think you wanna do that.

 

[TDDolphin]

Beware of Red Herrings. Plus with Nintendo's actions recently, I don't think they have any plans for announcements at the VGA. Still, I could be surprised if they did since the pandemic did throw a wrench into everyone's schedules.

Also, which game would win the GOTY award?

I'm predicting Ghosts of Tsushima to win GOTY

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

No. Reality doesn't work like that. You can't know for sure that your door knob wont break when you turn it. There's a very small chance that it will, but you operate with what makes most sense. The chances of him not having sources and getting all that right are way too low. And it's making him out to be a genius, seriously, I dont think you wanna do that.

WTF is even your logic?

 

[Teeb147]

WTF is even your logic?

Huh? The logic that everyone operates under every day. You don't go oh well I can't prove it, so I won't assume it. There's tons of stuff we can't know for sure but we go with what's most logical to be the case. When something's super unlikely, you don't go setting your life around it. You look at what makes most sense. And in this case we can't prove the way you want, because it's unreasonable to ask for names. You know it's actually against their company's policies to leak information, right?

Even in trials, most of the time they can't prove something beyond doubt, not unless there's actual video or something that makes it sure. The jury has to take everything into account and make a decision. Let's say you have 1 witness, there's still a chance they could be lying, but if you have 14 witnesses, odds are the story is true, with still a very small chance it's not. This is the same kind of logic.

 

[Shinuto]

We'll have to wait and see if the leak Shinuto posted is real. For me, it's looking to head in that direction. Just my opinion though.

That leak may very well be fake, after all speculating Crash for the next reveal certainly wouldnt be out of the ordinary. The leak was osted in early November, man people have been expecting/wanting a Smash reveal at the VGAs thsi year and Crash is certainly an expected candidate. That said it would certainly make the leak more legit if he IS revealed tomorrow night.

 

[The Robot Dump]

That leak may very well be fake, after all speculating Crash for the next reveal certainly wouldnt be out of the ordinary. The leak was osted in early November, man people have been expecting/wanting a Smash reveal at the VGAs thsi year and Crash is certainly an expected candidate. That said it would certainly make the leak more legit if he IS revealed tomorrow night.

Well, given the Animal Crossing and the app stuff, it could be real. Also, even if there is nothing Smash related tomorrow night, there can still be something in January or February. We'll see who's next over there if there's nothing tomorrow. Then again, we don't know what's coming tomorrow. It's a surprise.

 

[Teeb147]

The way I see it on the leak, if one more thing ends up being right on it, then it deserves at least some weight.

Like the saying goes: "Once Is Chance, Twice is Coincidence, Third Time Is A Pattern"

 

[Shinuto]

I could see at the Game Awards us getting more info on BOTW2, so that point in this leak about that game could be revealed soon potentially. That and the Crash reveal have the highest potential of being revealed tomorrow.

 

[The Robot Dump]

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I could see at the Game Awards us getting more info on BOTW2, so that point in this leak about that game could be revealed soon potentially. That and the Crash reveal have the highest potential of being revealed tomorrow.

All we need is Crash, although a double reveal would still be dope. Anyways, if Crash is revealed, then Shantae as Fighter 9 will officially become a certainty.

 

[Shinuto]

All we need is Crash, although a double reveal would still be dope. Anyways, if Crash is revealed, then Shantae as Fighter 9 will officially become a certainty.

Don't jump the gun, it will simply put more weight to this supposed leak.

 

[The Robot Dump]

Don't jump the gun, it will simply put more weight to this supposed leak.

That's fine by me.

 

[Teeb147]

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I could see at the Game Awards us getting more info on BOTW2, so that point in this leak about that game could be revealed soon potentially. That and the Crash reveal have the highest potential of being revealed tomorrow.

I didn't pay attention to the last part before, revised netcode would be great for smash.

 

[TDDolphin]

That's fine by me.

I didn't pay attention to the last part before, revised netcode would be great for smash.

Agreed. I would love to go back and play in online tournaments if the netcode gets improved.

 

[Teeb147]

Agreed. I would love to go back and play in online tournaments if the netcode gets improved.

Yup it's one big reason I don't like playing online, even the delay throws me off.
And right now we can pretty much only play online :/

 

[TDDolphin]

Yup it's one big reason I don't like playing online, even the delay throws me off.
And right now we can pretty much only play online :/

Too true. Though I mostly just play against CPUs anyway whenever I go back into Ultimate. At least I can proudly say I've won one online tournament in the past

 

[Teeb147]

Too true. Though I mostly just play against CPUs anyway whenever I go back into Ultimate. At least I can proudly say I've won one online tournament in the past

whoa nice.
I haven't played in weeks, but yeah I just practice against cpu for now, until i want to compete a bit more.

If shantae gets in, ill play all the time tho XD

 

[TDDolphin]

whoa nice.
I haven't played in weeks, but yeah I just practice against cpu for now, until i want to compete a bit more.

If shantae gets in, ill play all the time tho XD

Yeah, but that was over a year ago. I played as Pit and wound up winning a 32-person, 2-stock, omega-stage only, no items tournament. And even then I had to fight not only the opponents, but their connections in order to win lol.

 

[Dukefire]

Online tournament, I remember my first victory with Hero when he was still new.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I think there'll be a lot of disappointed geno fans after the game awards, since they put so much into coincidences.

Honestly, I'm not expecting the next fighter to be revealed until January or February since Nintendo likes to keep a 3 to 4 month gapping distance between the fighter announcements outside of the E3 reveals.

 

[The Robot Dump]

Honestly, I'm not expecting the next fighter to be revealed until January or February since Nintendo likes to keep a 3 to 4 month gapping distance between the fighter announcements outside of the E3 reveals.

Well, things might be different this time. After all, times change, and as I said before, anything is possible under the helm of Masahiro Sakurai.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Well, things might be different this time. After all, times change, and as I said before, anything is possible under the helm of Masahiro Sakurai.

But Sakurai still has to listen to Nintendo because they're his boss. They will decide when he announces the characters.

 

[The Robot Dump]

But Sakurai still has to listen to Nintendo because they're his boss. They will decide when he announces the characters.

Only tomorrow will tell.

 

[Dukefire]

Well, smile for a while. Just don't go sour if expectations rises too high.

Also, a calming song to set the hype aside.

Spoiler: Happy

 

[Teeb147]

Well, things might be different this time. After all, times change, and as I said before, anything is possible under the helm of Masahiro Sakurai.

I felt it could be the case before, but right now i have an alright feeling about the vga, i think it could happen.
If it's later than january though I find they're delaying too much XD

 

[The Robot Dump]

The thought just hit me about the Crash/Shantae leak. If this guy knows about two of the upcoming Fighters, in a way that would imply he knows the other two. So why didn't he mention the other two? Well, unless Crash and Shantae are being worked on back to back and are planned to both be revealed at the same time, then I think only one of them should have been mentioned. Just my thoughts though.

 

[Teeb147]

The thought just hit me about the Crash/Shantae leak. If this guy knows about two of the upcoming Fighters, in a way that would imply he knows the other two. So why didn't he mention the other two? Well, unless Crash and Shantae are being worked on back to back and are planned to both be revealed at the same time, then I think only one of them should have been mentioned. Just my thoughts though.

Lol no, why would he know everything. He mentioned things up to summer, or at least that something was pushed back to summer. And definitely doesn't ALL nintendo news and plans.