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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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SebTheGamer

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I gave my reasons for why I think they're credible a week ago, so I don't feel like I need to repeat myself here. Besides, Vergeben hasn't really leaked anything substantial over the last several months from what I've seen, so I don't know why you're really worried.
To be honest, I don’t want to believe that just yet so I’m giving that a grain of salt in case and to be cautious you know. Also can you stop always believing in any leaks that only mentions Shantae? Because you know it might end up being false anyway so I’m just saying please be careful what you believe is all.
 
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The Robot Dump

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Besides that, Nintendo has done a solid job of keeping the last two DLC reveals a secret, so the remaining 4 are likely held in just as much secrecy
It's especially impressive given that someone named Shinobi leaked Banjo and Kazooie last year, while Nintendo themselves accidentally leaked the next Fighter being an SNK character, which turned out to be Terry Bogard.
 

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At this rate, if a leak is going to happen, it will be less then 24 hours before the announcement. The last few smash leaks have been that. Steve was tease leaked less thrn a day, same with byleth
 

The Robot Dump

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At this rate, if a leak is going to happen, it will be less then 24 hours before the announcement. The last few smash leaks have been that. Steve was tease leaked less thrn a day, same with byleth
Since it is unknown if we will get anything at TGA 2020, that may not be the case. The announcement of FP6 and FP7 were openly announced by Nintendo, while right now we don't have such an announcement.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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I am not worried. I am just saying that Vergeben was only truly credible in the run up to the base game. And even then, he got some things wrong. If this was 2018, we'd all be treating Vergeben as the Holy Grail of Smash leaks, but this is 2020, and he's outlived his usefulness two years ago.
Except all he did was making good guesses and nothing else.
But of course, a massive ego like his, loves to flaunt and make up BS.

Don't believe anything that rat says.
 

TDDolphin

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To be honest, I don’t want to believe that just yet so I’m giving that a grain of salt in case and to be cautious you know. Also can you stop always believing in any leaks that only mentions Shantae? Because you know it might end up being false anyway so I’m just saying please be careful what you believe is all.
When did I say I believed leaks that featured Shantae? I've been warning Robot about putting too much stock in those leaks.

Except all he did was making good guesses and nothing else.
But of course, a massive ego like his, loves to flaunt and make up BS.

Don't believe anything that rat says.
In my defense, I don't really know what Verge is like outside of the Smash leaks I've seen him make...
 

The Robot Dump

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Vergeben is a fragment of the past. He is of no use to us anymore.

Now then, let me share what I believe to be the last four Fighters of this pass. Crash Bandicoot, Shantae, Rayman and Geno. I placed Geno at the end due to the fact that he makes the most sense as the final DLC Fighter, since he has been requested the most out of any video game character in the past, dating as far back as Melee according to some research. Sakurai even wanted him in Brawl but couldn't due to licencing issues, since Square Enix is stingy with their IPs. I believe Geno makes sense as the last character. But if Square Enix still refuses to give him up, I'd say Dr. Eggman can take his place as Fighter 11. After all, Ultimate has added several villain characters like King K. Rool and Ridley. Since Mario has Bowser to go up against, among other characters and the main antagonists of their franchises, it's possible for Dr. Eggman to show up. Yeah, Tails would also make sense due to him being one of the most iconic sidekicks of all time, but Dr. Eggman is one of the most iconic villains of all time, and Sonic lacks a villain rep in Smash. As for why I added Rayman, it's because Ubisoft has also expressed interest in adding him in. I don't know how popular Rayman is in Japan, but he does warrant a Smash inclusion, even if Michel Ancel isn't around to work on it. Crash and Shantae are self-explanatory. The former being one of the most popular characters of all time and the latter being the current lead in the indie game industry as well as Smash lacking an indie rep.
 

Teeb147

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I think no one really knows who the characters will be at this point ;)
And I don't think nintendo will care to have geno or rayman in, sorry to say.. Just my opinion.
 

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In a topic that I’m pretty sure I mentioned ages ago at some point, what does anyone think of the Mii costumes that would come if Shantae was added?

I really think there’s two ways they could take it. One being the usual “maybe 1-2 from the series the character came from and then a bunch of random ones”, or, the more interesting one to me, a Deluxe Mii blowout.

I think it’s interesting that Fighters Pass 2 hasn’t had a Deluxe Mii Fighter released. People like to point to Vault Boy and Bomberman, but while those are detailed, they aren’t Deluxe as they don’t come with a music track. Only indie characters so far have gotten that, Sans and Cuphead. So wouldn’t it be cool if they are holding on for a pack of JUST Indie Deluxe costumes? Heck, for added flair, make it so the indie costume music tracks can play on a Shantae stage to make it the sort of definitive Indie spot!

What got me thinking about it was Hades; I picked the game up over Black Friday as a bday gift to myself and it’s absolutely got me hooked. But I also found it interesting that it’s only released on PC and Switch with no other platforms even announced yet. And then it got me thinking about smash, and realizing it definitely released too late to get a fighter... but Zagreus would make for a dope Mii Swordfighter.

Some other ideas-

-We could finally do justice by Shovel Knight and get him a Mii costume with the ‘Strike the Earth’ track bundled in.

-Quote would definitely continue the trend of Gunner deluxe Miis, and could even swap between Quote and Curly Brace based on the Miiadd on ‘Grasslands’ or the main theme and you’ve got a pack.

-If they want to double dip, they could even pull up another Undertale costume and stick another track on it, like a Mettaton Mii brawler with ‘Death by Glamour’.
 

TDDolphin

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In a topic that I’m pretty sure I mentioned ages ago at some point, what does anyone think of the Mii costumes that would come if Shantae was added?

I really think there’s two ways they could take it. One being the usual “maybe 1-2 from the series the character came from and then a bunch of random ones”, or, the more interesting one to me, a Deluxe Mii blowout.

I think it’s interesting that Fighters Pass 2 hasn’t had a Deluxe Mii Fighter released. People like to point to Vault Boy and Bomberman, but while those are detailed, they aren’t Deluxe as they don’t come with a music track. Only indie characters so far have gotten that, Sans and Cuphead. So wouldn’t it be cool if they are holding on for a pack of JUST Indie Deluxe costumes? Heck, for added flair, make it so the indie costume music tracks can play on a Shantae stage to make it the sort of definitive Indie spot!

What got me thinking about it was Hades; I picked the game up over Black Friday as a bday gift to myself and it’s absolutely got me hooked. But I also found it interesting that it’s only released on PC and Switch with no other platforms even announced yet. And then it got me thinking about smash, and realizing it definitely released too late to get a fighter... but Zagreus would make for a dope Mii Swordfighter.

Some other ideas-

-We could finally do justice by Shovel Knight and get him a Mii costume with the ‘Strike the Earth’ track bundled in.

-Quote would definitely continue the trend of Gunner deluxe Miis, and could even swap between Quote and Curly Brace based on the Miiadd on ‘Grasslands’ or the main theme and you’ve got a pack.

-If they want to double dip, they could even pull up another Undertale costume and stick another track on it, like a Mettaton Mii brawler with ‘Death by Glamour’.
I think Shovel Knight, Quote and Hollow Knight would be great choices for Mii costumes.
 

Teeb147

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In a topic that I’m pretty sure I mentioned ages ago at some point, what does anyone think of the Mii costumes that would come if Shantae was added?

I really think there’s two ways they could take it. One being the usual “maybe 1-2 from the series the character came from and then a bunch of random ones”, or, the more interesting one to me, a Deluxe Mii blowout.
I'd like to see Rotty and Risky mii costumes, i think that would please the most fans.

As for other ones, maybe a quote mii costume for the other indie fans.
 

The Robot Dump

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In a topic that I’m pretty sure I mentioned ages ago at some point, what does anyone think of the Mii costumes that would come if Shantae was added?

I really think there’s two ways they could take it. One being the usual “maybe 1-2 from the series the character came from and then a bunch of random ones”, or, the more interesting one to me, a Deluxe Mii blowout.

I think it’s interesting that Fighters Pass 2 hasn’t had a Deluxe Mii Fighter released. People like to point to Vault Boy and Bomberman, but while those are detailed, they aren’t Deluxe as they don’t come with a music track. Only indie characters so far have gotten that, Sans and Cuphead. So wouldn’t it be cool if they are holding on for a pack of JUST Indie Deluxe costumes? Heck, for added flair, make it so the indie costume music tracks can play on a Shantae stage to make it the sort of definitive Indie spot!

What got me thinking about it was Hades; I picked the game up over Black Friday as a bday gift to myself and it’s absolutely got me hooked. But I also found it interesting that it’s only released on PC and Switch with no other platforms even announced yet. And then it got me thinking about smash, and realizing it definitely released too late to get a fighter... but Zagreus would make for a dope Mii Swordfighter.

Some other ideas-

-We could finally do justice by Shovel Knight and get him a Mii costume with the ‘Strike the Earth’ track bundled in.

-Quote would definitely continue the trend of Gunner deluxe Miis, and could even swap between Quote and Curly Brace based on the Miiadd on ‘Grasslands’ or the main theme and you’ve got a pack.

-If they want to double dip, they could even pull up another Undertale costume and stick another track on it, like a Mettaton Mii brawler with ‘Death by Glamour’.
I've always thought Shovel Knight would make for a good Mii Swordfighter. How about a Reimu Mii Costume to go along with that as well?
 

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Besides that, Nintendo has done a solid job of keeping the last two DLC reveals a secret, so the remaining 4 are likely held in just as much secrecy
Wasn't Steve leaked at the very last minute and I mean literally the last minute?

I suspect this will also happen with the rest of the remaining characters.
 
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meleebrawler

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I'd want at least one other Wayforward property referenced through costume if it happens, like Patricia Wagon.

Really, we can't overlook that for an "indie" company, Wayforward has a ton of properties under their belt, even excluding licensed games. I would prefer the SNK treatment, if smaller scale.
 
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SebTheGamer

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When did I say I believed leaks that featured Shantae? I've been warning Robot about putting too much stock in those leaks.


In my defense, I don't really know what Verge is like outside of the Smash leaks I've seen him make...
Nowhere. I’m just saying that just be careful about believing in any leaks is all
 

LaBeteNoire

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-Quote would definitely continue the trend of Gunner deluxe Miis, and could even swap between Quote and Curly Brace based on the Miiadd on ‘Grasslands’ or the main theme and you’ve got a pack.
Dude, Cave Story main theme would be so awesome. It's so high energy that it would be perfect for Smash. And Quote/Curly fit the proportions of the Mii fighters very well. Just give them full head pieces so we don't have to see the Mii faces and we are good to go.
 

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Nowhere. I’m just saying that just be careful about believing in any leaks is all
Again, I haven't been! I've spent the last week or so trying to temper people's expectations about that 4chan leak that predicted both Crash and Shantae coming to Smash just because one of the Animal Crossing tidbits wound up coming true. I don't believe it's real, so I don't know why you're under the assumption that I've believed any leaks that have come out in regards to Smash Bros. Unless this is about what I said about Vergeben. You know what, fine. I clearly underestimated just how unpopular he is on this forum, so I take back everything I said about him. I didn't realize that me saying that would cause so much confusion and misunderstanding. But I'm not one who just believes that leak strictly because "Shantae for Smash" was featured in it...
 

The Robot Dump

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Again, I haven't been! I've spent the last week or so trying to temper people's expectations about that 4chan leak that predicted both Crash and Shantae coming to Smash just because one of the Animal Crossing tidbits wound up coming true. I don't believe it's real, so I don't know why you're under the assumption that I've believed any leaks that have come out in regards to Smash Bros. Unless this is about what I said about Vergeben. You know what, fine. I clearly underestimated just how unpopular he is on this forum, so I take back everything I said about him. I didn't realize that me saying that would cause so much confusion and misunderstanding. But I'm not one who just believes that leak strictly because "Shantae for Smash" was featured in it...
There was that one leak that said Shantae, Geno and Gardevior were coming to Smash, but I didn't believe it. Not just because it sounded like a wishlist, but also because Gardevior is already a summonable Pokemon. That was the second 4chan post that mentioned Shantae in Smash. The first being the list and the third being the one Shinuto posted. Unlike those two, this leak is clearly just a wishlist.
 

SebTheGamer

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Again, I haven't been! I've spent the last week or so trying to temper people's expectations about that 4chan leak that predicted both Crash and Shantae coming to Smash just because one of the Animal Crossing tidbits wound up coming true. I don't believe it's real, so I don't know why you're under the assumption that I've believed any leaks that have come out in regards to Smash Bros. Unless this is about what I said about Vergeben. You know what, fine. I clearly underestimated just how unpopular he is on this forum, so I take back everything I said about him. I didn't realize that me saying that would cause so much confusion and misunderstanding. But I'm not one who just believes that leak strictly because "Shantae for Smash" was featured in it...
Oh ok. I understand. Just thought you believe in something from somewhere.
 

The Robot Dump

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Shantae4Smash says that WayForward barely acknowledges him/her. I have only seen WF respond to one comment, and it was about Marble Knights on other platforms, to which they said they don't have any plans for such a thing. Maybe they are preparing something and they don't want to jeopardise what's coming in Smash by interacting with him/her.
 

Teeb147

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I have an android now, but I don't think I can even play Marble Knights because it needs apple arcade or ios.

I'm not a big fan of making lots of exclusives really.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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Vergeben got a lot of things. He's just an a-hole is all :p
But he han't really come up with anything good in the last while, so it's possible he just lost his sources or something.
Which doesn't necessarily mean anything.
As far as I am concerned he was just really good at making accurate predictions.
And that got into his head and he became an egotistical, self-centered swine.

Unless clear-cut proof is shown, proving they had legitimate sources, I won't believe any "leakers", no matter how accurate they were.
 

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For now, Geno fans has fuel for their fire thanks to the upcoming tournament "Beware of Mushrooms!"
 

The Robot Dump

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For now, Geno fans has fuel for their fire thanks to the upcoming tournament "Beware of Mushrooms!"
Meh, Geno is better off as Fighter 11. I highly doubt that tournaments lead to Fighter reveals. As Masahiro Sakurai said, anniversaries do not guarantee anything. In this case, we have Mario's anniversary lasting until March. It's also the 25th anniversary of SMRPG next year, but still, it doesn't guarantee any Fighters from the Mario franchise.

Seriously, I don't understand how Geno fans take literally everything Mario related in Smash as a hint for Geno. I firmly believe that Geno will not come to Smash as a Fighter until the very last spot. That or he becomes a Mii Costume like Smash 4 or Square Enix refuses to have any more representation for him and leaves him as a Spirit.
 
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The Robot Dump

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Don't look into it too much the English Event is just calling the tournament Fungi Fever.
Now it feels like everyone is referring to the event by it's Japanese name to spread false hope to Geno fans. It was already unlikely that this is a hint to Geno coming to the game to begin with, as Sakurai wouldn't blatantly tease characters with references like that.
 

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Now it feels like everyone is referring to the event by it's Japanese name to spread false hope to Geno fans. It was already unlikely that this is a hint to Geno coming to the game to begin with, as Sakurai wouldn't blatantly tease characters with references like that.
Well you know Geno fans but I wouldn’t blame them for the fact they have been wanting Geno for over 10 years and I see why they’re really diehard and kind of desperate. Honestly I don’t blame them but yes, they’re looking at them too much. Mario anniversary, possible secret hint from any Smash announcements, etc, I mean they wish but none of them is the case.
 
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Teeb147

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Which doesn't necessarily mean anything.
As far as I am concerned he was just really good at making accurate predictions.
And that got into his head and he became an egotistical, self-centered swine.

Unless clear-cut proof is shown, proving they had legitimate sources, I won't believe any "leakers", no matter how accurate they were.
Verge had legit sources. He had quite a few, and some of them weren't good though, he did get a few things wrong, but much more right. and knew the grinch leak wasn't real too. Some say probably even knew of steve, the character was in the works for a very long time.

Just because someone sucks, doesnt mean they're not legit for some things :p
 
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Now it feels like everyone is referring to the event by it's Japanese name to spread false hope to Geno fans. It was already unlikely that this is a hint to Geno coming to the game to begin with, as Sakurai wouldn't blatantly tease characters with references like that.
It's not like this is exclusive to fans of Geno - if Nintendo put out an event called "Dear Beloved", with a focus on characters who have canonically been in relationships and only using Heart Containers as items, people would immediately take it as a hint towards Sora, while an event called "Dance Through Danger" that involves characters who dance or have danced, or have been involved in rhythm games, (Bayonetta, Mario, Joker, etc.) would certainly be seen as a hint towards Shantae.

(these might not be the best examples, but I'm coming up with them off the top of my head)
 
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It's not like this is exclusive to fans of Geno - if Nintendo put out an event called "Dear Beloved", with a focus on characters who have canonically been in relationships and only using Heart Containers as items, people would immediately take it as a hint towards Sora, while an event called "Dance Through Danger" that involves characters who dance or have danced, or have been involved in rhythm games, (Bayonetta, Mario, Joker, etc.) would certainly be seen as a hint towards Shantae.

(these might not be the best examples, but I'm coming up with them off the top of my head)
Yep, the Geno fanbase is hardly the only that has taken certain things as hints towards character inclusions
 
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