Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well, companies that care about their fans will do better.
What if eventually some begin a movement of boycotting nintendo games? that wouldnt be good for them. People are upset with other things they do too.
Though, considering how fun the games are, that might be hard to do XD

I think people overestimate boycotts.
I don't think it'll do, what people think it'd do.

I guarantee you, that if everyone would boycott Nintendo, they'd draw all the wrong conclusions from it.
Metroid: Other M is a good example of that.
Because of its low sales, Nintendo simply assumed that nobody is interested in Metroid anymore and it nearly killed the franchise.
And that's how it'd go for any corporation, that just looks at sales and nothing else.
If something doesn't sell, then it simply isn't lucrative anymore and the plug is pulled.
The reasons as to why it didn't sell... They don't care.

No, the problem is an entirely different one: Communication!
Or rather, the lack thereof.
All of these problems wouldn't exist, if Nintendo would mind consumer feedback and work together with their community to the best of their abilities.
But they don't do that. Because they think they know better, than the players.
That one Splatoon interview spoke volumes about the basic mindset of Nintendo.
They make games on how they think they SHOULD BE ENJOYED rather than make them with fan feedback in mind, so that everyone can actually enjoy it.

And as long as Nintendo remains so stubborn and arrogant and refuses to listen to the consumer, that will never change.
The solution lies in communication, but that has nothing to do with sales.
That ball is entirely in Nintendo's court. And it's outside of the consumers control.
So I'm afraid voting with our wallet won't do anything either way, if the seller just doesn't listen.

 

[The Robot Dump]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Crash/Shantae leak. Even if we just get Crash, that's more than enough to start up the hype train. But if it ends up being a double reveal, it will be our early Christmas gift. Only 3 days left.

 

[SebTheGamer]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Crash/Shantae leak. Even if we just get Crash, that's more than enough to start up the hype train. But if it ends up being a double reveal, it will be our early Christmas gift. Only 3 days left.

Shantae reveal would be my biggest early Christmas gift and Crash reveal will be my in-person best friend, Lachlan’s Christmas gift because Lachlan wants Crash more than anything and I want Shantae more than anything so either me or him or both of us will get our early biggest Christmas gift by our Daddy Sakurai and our most favourite video game company, Nintendo.

 

[meleebrawler]

Well, companies that care about their fans will do better.
What if eventually some begin a movement of boycotting nintendo games? that wouldnt be good for them. People are upset with other things they do too.
Though, considering how fun the games are, that might be hard to do XD

By what metric do you mean "better"? Just having less media scandals? Because nothing of what got Nintendo where it is today involved caring what others think of them, beyond sales of course. The 8-bit era is defined by them pretty much having a monopoly with their superior product and enforced exclusivity for people wanting to develop for the NES via the "seal of approval". Those people resented that restriction, but damn if it wasn't effective in securing their position in the industry.

They got to where they are because they make must-have products, take risks that go against the grain (the one by-the books console with serious competitors, the Gamecube, sold the worst in it's time) and rigorously control how those products are used, because they came in in an era where people releasing whatever games and whenever without anyone to stop them nearly killed the industry before it could begin.

As far as boycotting goes, I never understood the process of, assuming it actually works well enough to hurt the bottom line significantly, punishing workers who likely have no say in whatever fan dispute with indirect layoffs and salary cuts just because you don't like the higher-ups practices or games. You just happen to be lucky in Nintendo's case that they happen to be one of, if not the most worker-friendly game companies of all, but is that something you'd be willing to test the limits of?

 

[MattX20]

So, anyone else hope one day we'll get a soundtrack release for all 5 Shantae games on a CD or two?

 

[TDDolphin]

Awesome! I just got the go-ahead from my boss at work to take Friday off! So I may actually be able to stay up and watch the Game Awards Thursday night

 

[Teeb147]

meleebrawler I dont want to debate on that lol. I was just mentioning they do a lot of practices that fans don't like and can actually hurt the community, and even if they can afford to be like that, doesn't mean it won't bite them back at some point.

 

[MattX20]

I'm skipping the VGAs this year, and am going to focus more on the upcoming tournament

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

meleebrawler I dont want to debate on that lol. I was just mentioning they do a lot of practices that fans don't like and can actually hurt the community, and even if they can afford to be like that, doesn't mean it won't bite them back at some point.

So he's the "BuT Da LaW!" type...
Why am I not surprised?

Legal/Illegal and Right/Wrong are not the same thing.
Just because they have the right, doesn't make it right.
If that makes any sense.

I thought only the Sith deal in absolutes.
And those are the villains. o_O

 

[Teeb147]

Ill try to watch the vga this year, but depending on how long it is I might just catch here and there, and get the ending, since that's when joker showed up last time.

I'm not sure what the time schedule is for the program though.

 

[meleebrawler]

So he's the "BuT Da LaW!" type...
Why am I not surprised?

Legal/Illegal and Right/Wrong are not the same thing.
Just because they have the right, doesn't make it right.
If that makes any sense.

I thought only the Sith deal in absolutes.
And those are the villains. o_O

Hey, if you have problems with law, you take it up with governments and people who write them, not those who follow.

 

[The Robot Dump]

Time for two topics in one post.

First off, here's the final nail in the coffin for the Sora "leak": https://mobile.twitter.com/SunwerPrower/status/1334943745159155714

Second, KirbyWorshipper2465 remember that 4chan leak you posted of the Crash Legends thing and something KH related? Well, after doing some research, I think the leak is fake. And it's all thanks to one section. That section says that Scott Pilgrim vs. The World - Complete Edition is getting released on Christmas Day. That's actually not true. It is scheduled to be released on January 14th, 2021. I already had suspicion from the leak due to the Kingdom Hearts section, which might just be capitalising on the Sora "leak", but the Scott Pilgrim section proves to me that the leak is fake.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Time for two topics in one post.

First off, here's the final nail in the coffin for the Sora "leak": https://mobile.twitter.com/SunwerPrower/status/1334943745159155714

Second, KirbyWorshipper2465 remember that 4chan leak you posted of the Crash Legends thing and something KH related? Well, after doing some research, I think the leak is fake. And it's all thanks to one section. That section says that Scott Pilgrim vs. The World - Complete Edition is getting released on Christmas Day. That's actually not true. It is scheduled to be released on January 14th, 2021. I already had suspicion from the leak due to the Kingdom Hearts section, which might just be capitalising on the Sora "leak", but the Scott Pilgrim section proves to me that the leak is fake.

In terms of Crash stuff, at least the Lou Studdert audio clip datamine by Kingasta is a more substantial find: https://crashynews.wordpress.com/20...k-at-rumoured-crash-bandicoot-pvp-video-game/

Well, at least I won't need to wait for the Awards for the Scott Pilgrim date announcement, the space can be used for something else.

https://www.pcgamer.com/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-returns-on-january-14-with-four-way-multiplayer/

 

[The Robot Dump]

In terms of Crash stuff, at least the Lou Studdert audio clip datamine by Kingasta is a more substantial find: https://crashynews.wordpress.com/20...k-at-rumoured-crash-bandicoot-pvp-video-game/

Well, at least I won't need to wait for the Awards for the Scott Pilgrim date announcement, the space can be used for something else.

https://www.pcgamer.com/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-returns-on-january-14-with-four-way-multiplayer/

I am glad the Scott Pilgrim accouncement came today. It has shot down yet another 4chan leak. I didn't believe that leak before, and I certainly don't believe it now. If we're getting anything "Kingdom Hearts" related at the end, it might as well be Kingdom Hearts 4, which has been rumoured a lot lately if you look it up.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I was thinking about KH 4 being an alternate possibility anyways.

In any case, back to being in the dark for any announcements except Phantom Strikers and the Fortnite guests.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Pretty much this. I imagine in three or four years when the Next Nintendo system comes out, instead of a brand new SMash game they will make a "complete version" of ultimate. Improve the visuals and whatever gameplay improvements the new hardware allows, create some new game modes using assets already in Ultimate, maybe a few other things (like take all the trophy assets from past smash games and create a "Smash Museum" where you can view all the trophies from all the games. By focusing on history they wouldn't even need to update the trophies, just rip the models and plop them in.

And maybe for that game they will get Sakurai to come in and design a string of new characters, just as much as one of the current fighter's passes. That way the game keeps getting bigger without losing anything, but still let's Sakurai's work stay minimal since he would just be building characters for a already made game instead of building everything from the ground up.

Sakurai has pointed out many times before how Ultimate will be near impossible to ever surpass as a future game will certainly lose something that Ultimate has. And when he talks about this it's clear that it bothers the perfectionist side of his personality. Because of that I think they will simply keep updating Ultimate for as long as they can until the architecture just gets too outdated to make it feasible to continue holding on to.

I wish. But there is probably too much red tape on Ultimate for it over to be released on another console ever again as I don't all the parties working with Sakurai in Ultimate will ever allow all these characters to ever come together in Smash again. The next Smash will obliviously be a full on reboot that will cut like half of the roster realistically speaking because a Ultimate port on the next gen Nintendo console is a pipe dream due to all the licensing issues the game because of all the parties involved. I guarantee you a company like Square-Enix as greedy as they're will never allow Cloud or the Dragon Quest protagonists to be part of the roster again unless Nintendo pitches even more of a arm and a leg to them.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I wish. But there is probably too much red tape on Ultimate for it over to be released on another console ever again as I don't all the parties working with Sakurai in Ultimate will ever allow all these characters to ever come together in Smash again. The next Smash will obliviously be a full on reboot that will cut like half of the roster realistically speaking because a Ultimate port on the next gen Nintendo console is a pipe dream due to all the licensing issues the game because of all the parties involved. I guarantee you a company like Square-Enix as greedy as they're will never allow Cloud or the Dragon Quest protagonists to be part of the roster again unless Nintendo pitches even more of a arm and a leg to them.

Then simply remove the characters that you don't have the permission for.
Why cut half the roster, over an issue that only relates to one or two characters?
There is no reason to cut characters like Young Link or Incineroar over licensing issues with Cloud and Hero.

And please, don't talk as if you know exactly how the next Smash game will be.
Which you cannot feasably know.

 

[Shinuto]

Anyone think it'd be funny to get Crash then Shantae, Crash comes in then a purple dominate character gets added directly after?

 

[TDDolphin]

So I had a lovely thought occur. I know that Sakurai said that Home-Run Contest would pretty much be the last new mode added to Smash Ultimate, and aside from more minor additions to previous modes, like Rematch for Spirit Battles or adding more options for Battle Arenas, he's hasn't added anymore new modes (Not that the game really needs too much more). But if you could choose any of the missing modes from previous games to come back, which one's would you choose?

Honestly, the only other mode I'd like to see come back for Ultimate is Break The Targets. Especially if everybody got their own unique Target Test stage again ala 64 and Melee. Not sure if they'd be able to add it into Classic Mode, but I wouldn't mind it coming back as just it's own separate thing.

As for something totally new.... Smash Bowling? Kinda like what Tekken 7 got? That might be fun for Smash

Anyone think it'd be funny to get Crash then Shantae, Crash comes in then a purple dominate character gets added directly after?

I... would love for that to happen. But I don't think it will.

 

[Schonberg]

So I had a lovely thought occur. I know that Sakurai said that Home-Run Contest would pretty much be the last new mode added to Smash Ultimate, and aside from more minor additions to previous modes, like Rematch for Spirit Battles or adding more options for Battle Arenas, he's hasn't added anymore new modes (Not that the game really needs too much more). But if you could choose any of the missing modes from previous games to come back, which one's would you choose?

If anything at all, regardless of work hours or resources... l want an upgraded Smash Run (Smash Dash? Smash Royale?)

Just imagine an even bigger stage (or the same size as Smash Run but multiple layouts!) where all 4 players are in the same area, either going up against enemies again or the shadowy versions of characters from WoL, choosing between building up your own powers or messing with your foes. Add on split screen local multiplayer for even more craziness, and you’ve got me hooked.

While the prospect of Smash Run online is... a bit worrying (hey, I use LAN, I rarely run into terrible fights, but even then a 4 player match would probably cause no end of problems), I’d still take it even over a new single player only mode for the replay value for single and local multiplayer. The TRUE successor of City Trial, finally complete.

 

[MattX20]

So I had a lovely thought occur. I know that Sakurai said that Home-Run Contest would pretty much be the last new mode added to Smash Ultimate, and aside from more minor additions to previous modes, like Rematch for Spirit Battles or adding more options for Battle Arenas, he's hasn't added anymore new modes (Not that the game really needs too much more). But if you could choose any of the missing modes from previous games to come back, which one's would you choose?

Honestly, the only other mode I'd like to see come back for Ultimate is Break The Targets. Especially if everybody got their own unique Target Test stage again ala 64 and Melee. Not sure if they'd be able to add it into Classic Mode, but I wouldn't mind it coming back as just it's own separate thing.

As for something totally new.... Smash Bowling? Kinda like what Tekken 7 got? That might be fun for Smash


I... would love for that to happen. But I don't think it will.

I really want Break the Targets to come back

 

[Teeb147]

I want an adventure mode again

 

[MattX20]

I want an adventure mode again

We sorta got that with WOL

 

[Teeb147]

We sorta got that with WOL

Well, no, that's why I mentioned it. I think WOL is a cool concept, and it allowed them to do tons of stages with different missions, but I'm talking about an adventure platformer with different enemies throughout, which we did have in melee on a small scale, and bigger scale in brawl.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

So I had a lovely thought occur. I know that Sakurai said that Home-Run Contest would pretty much be the last new mode added to Smash Ultimate, and aside from more minor additions to previous modes, like Rematch for Spirit Battles or adding more options for Battle Arenas, he's hasn't added anymore new modes (Not that the game really needs too much more). But if you could choose any of the missing modes from previous games to come back, which one's would you choose?

Honestly, the only other mode I'd like to see come back for Ultimate is Break The Targets. Especially if everybody got their own unique Target Test stage again ala 64 and Melee. Not sure if they'd be able to add it into Classic Mode, but I wouldn't mind it coming back as just it's own separate thing.

As for something totally new.... Smash Bowling? Kinda like what Tekken 7 got? That might be fun for Smash

I miss the levels where you fought the zombies from Ocarina of Time.

Edit: The Underground Maze. Now I remember what it was called.

 

[Teeb147]

I miss the levels where you fought the zombies from Ocarina of Time.

Yeah that's what I mean, that one and the mario one were pretty short, but fun.
More for the next smash game really, but they could add some kind of platformer adventure.

 

[SharkLord]

Hey guys, it's been a while since I last posted here. I've been seeing Shantae around various places and I'm considering actually checking out the games. I was wondering what the best starting point would be, because it doesn't seem like there's a real "definitive" Shantae game (The original has kinks that the newer games smoothed out, Risky's Revenge is shorter than usual, Pirate's Curse and Seven Sirens don't have the usual dances, and Half-Genie Hero is more linear). I'm thinking maybe Seven Sirens, but I thought it'd be best to check in with you guys.

 

[Teeb147]

Hey guys, it's been a while since I last posted here. I've been seeing Shantae around various places and I'm considering actually checking out the games. I was wondering what the best starting point would be, because it doesn't seem like there's a real "definitive" Shantae game (The original has kinks that the newer games smoothed out, Risky's Revenge is shorter than usual, Pirate's Curse and Seven Sirens don't have the usual dances, and Half-Genie Hero is more linear). I'm thinking maybe Seven Sirens, but I thought it'd be best to check in with you guys.

I guess it depends if you want to see the progression or not. The first one obviously isn't as friendly as some of the later ones, but it can be interesting to see how it changed over the series. Priate's curse is seen as one of the best, so if you just want a good one there's that one, but HGH and SS are more modern and maybe friendlier. I'm not good at recommendations though, but go with your heart XD

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Well, no, that's why I mentioned it. I think WOL is a cool concept, and it allowed them to do tons of stages with different missions, but I'm talking about an adventure platformer with different enemies throughout, which we did have in melee on a small scale, and bigger scale in brawl.

I think I would have enjoyed WOL more if they included more interactive cutscenes with different characters.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well a proper Adventure Mode is one thing I can't see happening anymore, because of Sakurai.
It's one thing he doesn't want to do anymore.

On one hand, we have the understandable lssue of the massive cast.
So making a proper, fully fleshed out Adventure Mode with all the characters in mind...
It might not be feasible.

On the other hand though, we have a more annoying part of his personality.
He didn't like Brawl's cutscenes being uploaded to YouTube, thinking it ruins the experience for everyone.
So he decided to never make a mode like Subspace Emmisary again, because of that.

 

[Schonberg]

I miss the levels where you fought the zombies from Ocarina of Time.

Edit: The Underground Maze. Now I remember what it was called.

Man you just dug up some long buried memories. When I was a kid that level scared the hell out of me since I hadn’t played OoT and thus didn’t know what the redeads were, and I didn’t touch adventure mode again for years.

Yes I unlocked every character through versus matches before I went back and did classic and adventure mode with even a single character what of it

Hey guys, it's been a while since I last posted here. I've been seeing Shantae around various places and I'm considering actually checking out the games. I was wondering what the best starting point would be, because it doesn't seem like there's a real "definitive" Shantae game (The original has kinks that the newer games smoothed out, Risky's Revenge is shorter than usual, Pirate's Curse and Seven Sirens don't have the usual dances, and Half-Genie Hero is more linear). I'm thinking maybe Seven Sirens, but I thought it'd be best to check in with you guys.

Thankfully, the only story-tied ones are Risky’s Revenge into Pirates Curse. So if you want my advice... I’d say start with RR.

It’s shorter, and has a few different quirks like the layer-jumping overworld, but overall it should give you a feel for the world, characters, and basic gameplay and if it will click with you.

After that, if you enjoyed your time, you can go back to the original if you wanna see how that went, or just go to Pirate’s Curse for the follow up and a great overall game, then HGH for a more linear bit fun experience, and then Seven Sirens for, in my opinion, a good blend between the style of gameplay found in RR and PC.

 

[The Robot Dump]

Anyone think it'd be funny to get Crash then Shantae, Crash comes in then a purple dominate character gets added directly after?

I sure do.

I... would love for that to happen. But I don't think it will.

If you still believe Vergeben, then I believe it's best if you don't. For one, he has also gotten his fair share of wrong claims. Second, he ended up suffering a major leak setback which started his downfall. Nintendo basically purged the insiders or something like that. Regardless of such, I think Vergeben was only credible in terms of base game content. For DLC, we are on our own.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

If you still believe Vergeben, then I believe it's best if you don't. For one, he has also gotten his fair share of wrong claims. Second, he ended up suffering a major leak setback which started his downfall. Nintendo basically purged the insiders or something like that. Regardless of such, I think Vergeben was only credible in terms of base game content. For DLC, we are on our own.

Why are we still talking about this clout-seeking scumbag?

In any case, it's important to remember that leaks are really just predictions.
It's just that people love to make themselves bigger than they actually are.
Even if certain characters make it, doesn't mean the leak was legit. It just means the guess was correct.

 

[SebTheGamer]

Why are we still talking about this clout-seeking scumbag?

In any case, it's important to remember that leaks are really just predictions.
It's just that people love to make themselves bigger than they actually are.
Even if certain characters make it, doesn't mean the leak was legit. It just means the guess was correct.

I actually told Robot Dump the same way sometimes because when he research lot of leaks either true or false, he always believe it’s real because it mentioned, “Shantae”. He doesn’t believe in any leaks with other characters without Shantae like dude, stop believe in any Smash leaks that mentioned “Shantae” because it’s getting bit annoying and bit selfish too honestly. Also most of those leaks could be false anyway because leaks been dead ever since probably after FP1 is complete. Those leaks you’re looking at probably false as well but we don’t know for sure. They might went deep and find out Nintendo actually has something and sneakily shared us in public or just either predicting it which it’s alright. It’s for fun. the point is just stop believe in so many leaks that has Shantae in it and also stop disbelieve those other leaks with no Shantae please. Keep that in mind they could be predictions, theories and speculations. Thank you.

 

[MattX20]

You guys think one of Shantae's alts could reference the original Shantae design for the PS1?

 

[SebTheGamer]

You guys think one of Shantae's alts could reference the original Shantae design for the PS1?

Sure because it makes sense to bring the classics like Risky’s Revenge and Pirate’s Curse alts to be included for her like Joker’s Persona 1 alt and other fighters’s classic alts.

 

[MattX20]

Sure because it makes sense to bring the classics like Risky’s Revenge and Pirate’s Curse alts to be included for her like Joker’s Persona 1 alt and other fighters’s classic alts.

It would be nice to come full circle like that

 

[TDDolphin]

If you still believe Vergeben, then I believe it's best if you don't. For one, he has also gotten his fair share of wrong claims. Second, he ended up suffering a major leak setback which started his downfall. Nintendo basically purged the insiders or something like that. Regardless of such, I think Vergeben was only credible in terms of base game content. For DLC, we are on our own.

I gave my reasons for why I think they're credible a week ago, so I don't feel like I need to repeat myself here. Besides, Vergeben hasn't really leaked anything substantial over the last several months from what I've seen, so I don't know why you're really worried.

 

[MattX20]

I typically don't listen to Vergeben these days and rely less on leakers and focus more on evidence that has popped up over the year that trends towards character reveals or releases

 

[The Robot Dump]

I gave my reasons for why I think they're credible a week ago, so I don't feel like I need to repeat myself here. Besides, Vergeben hasn't really leaked anything substantial over the last several months from what I've seen, so I don't know why you're really worried.

I am not worried. I am just saying that Vergeben was only truly credible in the run up to the base game. And even then, he got some things wrong. If this was 2018, we'd all be treating Vergeben as the Holy Grail of Smash leaks, but this is 2020, and he's outlived his usefulness two years ago.