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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Teeb147

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You guys have link to that Reddit AMA where Matt did not answer the Smash Question

and what are your guy's conclusion on him not Answering?
Well last time they didn't talk about shantae in smash it turned out she was a spirit in the game. Before that they were vocal.
So, it's not that hard to think she has more coming in smash. But it could just be for another reason, or it could just be something small, who knows.
 

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Furthermore, Freedom Planet's sequel still isn't out yet.
Because they are taking their time to make Freedom Planet 2 great.
They refused giving out a release date for that exact reason, no matter how many people keep pressuring them.

So please, don't push them.

Oo, freedom planet in smash? that'd be cool. Well most likely would be a spirit event or something
Yes, but according to Strife, if Nintendo or Sakurai wanted any Freedom Planet representation in Smash, they would've gotten a call from them years ago.
But that didn't happen. So I'm afraid Freedom Planet won't be represented at all in this gen of Smash.
 

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Because they are taking their time to make Freedom Planet 2 great.
They refused giving out a release date for that exact reason, no matter how many people keep pressuring them.

So please, don't push them.


Yes, but according to Strife, if Nintendo or Sakurai wanted any Freedom Planet representation in Smash, they would've gotten a call from them years ago.
But that didn't happen. So I'm afraid Freedom Planet won't be represented at all in this gen of Smash.
Well, no, spirit events don't need that long of a time to process things. And even fighters could technically be decided on not that long before a certain pass, though probably still need to be 1 year in advance in order to get everything ready for it. Depends on the companies, since apparently minecraft has been talked about and in the works for like 5 years.
 
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Hey Limited Run Games replied there :p But yeah Matt didn't.
That's the most telling part limited run replied . Matt could of easily replied saying something like " that would be great" but nope nothing. And as you can see on the other questions he replied sometimes in paragraphs. I refuse to think that he didn't notice this literally huge question.
 

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Remember though that it could also mean nothing. Not replying could be anything from Matt Bozon being under an NDA; or that he just didn’t see it; or that he saw LRG replied so he didn’t feel the need to; or that he’s not replying to get this exact reaction, people wondering if he’s under NDA and thus drumming up hype.

In short, it’s impossible to tell.
 

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That's the most telling part limited run replied . Matt could of easily replied saying something like " that would be great" but nope nothing. And as you can see on the other questions he replied sometimes in paragraphs. I refuse to think that he didn't notice this literally huge question.
THey havent said anything about her and smash on twitter too. There's definitely a reason. Just don't know what that is.
 

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Because they are taking their time to make Freedom Planet 2 great.
They refused giving out a release date for that exact reason, no matter how many people keep pressuring them.

So please, don't push them.


Yes, but according to Strife, if Nintendo or Sakurai wanted any Freedom Planet representation in Smash, they would've gotten a call from them years ago.
But that didn't happen. So I'm afraid Freedom Planet won't be represented at all in this gen of Smash.
They'd still take their time making the game even if people asked them all the time (take it from me, the Mega Man X: Corrupted fangame development is still going on no matter how soon people want it. ). It's not like board discussion here magically affects them. All we do is talk, we're a Greek chorus.

THey havent said anything about her and smash on twitter too. There's definitely a reason. Just don't know what that is.


Whatever alien reason you can't figure out, you'll probably know someday. I stopped trying to see how they think for what they do in general.
 
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The impression I'm getting is that he is under an NDA, especially if you compare to the interviews he has had in the past, where he talks about the possibility of Shantae being a Smash Fighter. Just seeing him say nothing is quite out of character for him. Every question would have had to have been looked at and they could have decided whether or not to answer it. Also, why would Matt stir up false hype by not answering the question? He wouldn't do that.
 

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WayForward not responding to questions asking about Shantae in Smash is the smart thing to do in their situation. They don't want to influence fan expectations, so it's easier to stay silent and allow fans to continue supporting Shantae as they always have. They also have a good working relationship with Nintendo and it'd be better for them to not complicate it by talking about Smash, whether they have new content in it or not. I'm sure they get questions from fans all the time about the subject.
 

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Anyone feel that the 4chan list of characters is indeed real? I believe it is. It has Terry Bogard, it has no mention of an ARMS! character, which would make sense as the game wasn't made until 2017, and it doesn't seem to be biased. However, Byleth is on the list. My guess is that this list is from 2017, which is the year Three Houses started development, as opposed to 2015, the end of the Ballot. Unless Byleth is somehow a scrapped character for Fire Emblem: Fates.
 

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Thanks Teeb147 Teeb147 . I thought it was coming out as more of a cyan.

And yet, at the same time, Strife from GalaxyTrail has no issue non-chalantly mentioning in their Discord, that he got no calls from Nintendo or Sakurai, so Freedom Planet in Smash isn't happening.

So no offense, but your point is garbage.
There have been cases of character owners straight up telling you in public, that their character in Smash isn't happening.
You'd seriously think WayForward of all people would use such an underhanded tactic?
I guess my only thought on this is; If Shantae is not in Smash what has been the purpose of this span of secrecy. If Wayforward has not been approached for their creation to be in Smash, then there is no reason to not say enjoy "the sticker that we fought hard to get into the game", yet, they have not acknowledged it since it's reveal. I don't think it's a garbage argument to think that a business can act like a business.

All hype that was created was started by Wayforward, quashed by nintendo, and reignited by the fans. Ever since the spirit reveal it has been us fanning the flames :joyful: (puns for days). Wayforward can bask in the attention guilt-free. They have nothing to deconfirm because they did nothing to cause any speculation. Against, they can say "hoorah we have a spirit." If Shantae is in smash then their silence also makes sense. Either way they benefit from the silence.

So do I think Wayforward is a greedy corporation who revels in the anguish of their supporters? No, not in the slightest.
Do I think Wayforward benefits from keeping their collective mouth shut to allow one of their biggest IPs to gain insane amounts of fame off the heels of one of the biggest games of the decade? 100% yes. Whether or not Shantae is in Smash, this was a brilliant move and I respect them more.
 

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WayForward not responding to questions asking about Shantae in Smash is the smart thing to do in their situation. They don't want to influence fan expectations, so it's easier to stay silent and allow fans to continue supporting Shantae as they always have. They also have a good working relationship with Nintendo and it'd be better for them to not complicate it by talking about Smash, whether they have new content in it or not. I'm sure they get questions from fans all the time about the subject.
To me that's just not good logic. If you saw how they were with fans before, for getting her in smash, even rallying support and made alternate costumes, and more.
If Shantae wouldn't be in, then there's no reason to not talk about it. It wouldn't 'complicate' anything. They can say something without being silent.
 
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To me that's just not good logic. If you saw how they were with fans before, for getting her in smash, even rallying support and made alternate costumes, and more.
If Shantae wouldn't be in, then there's no reason to not talk about it. It wouldn't 'complicate' anything. They can say something without being silent.
Yeah. At least with Ubisoft we figure that they yank out any reference to Smash to the extent of their survey, since they probably don't care that much about Rayman anymore.

But WayForward? Completely ignoring the best way to spread the word out about their mascot -and they don't hesitate to have publicity for Shantae- really seems downright bizarre for them to do if she supposedly won't be playable for the foreseeable future. This behavior, from the company that's staffed with proud Nintendo geeks.

Even Yacht Club were proud to talk about the Shovel Knight AT. Apart from mourning for over 2 years, there is no reason whatsoever for them to dodge the subject. At least, not one that makes sense on this planet, anyway.
 
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Thanks Teeb147 Teeb147 . I thought it was coming out as more of a cyan.



I guess my only thought on this is; If Shantae is not in Smash what has been the purpose of this span of secrecy. If Wayforward has not been approached for their creation to be in Smash, then there is no reason to not say enjoy "the sticker that we fought hard to get into the game", yet, they have not acknowledged it since it's reveal. I don't think it's a garbage argument to think that a business can act like a business.

All hype that was created was started by Wayforward, quashed by nintendo, and reignited by the fans. Ever since the spirit reveal it has been us fanning the flames :joyful: (puns for days). Wayforward can bask in the attention guilt-free. They have nothing to deconfirm because they did nothing to cause any speculation. Against, they can say "hoorah we have a spirit." If Shantae is in smash then their silence also makes sense. Either way they benefit from the silence.

So do I think Wayforward is a greedy corporation who revels in the anguish of their supporters? No, not in the slightest.
Do I think Wayforward benefits from keeping their collective mouth shut to allow one of their biggest IPs to gain insane amounts of fame off the heels of one of the biggest games of the decade? 100% yes. Whether or not Shantae is in Smash, this was a brilliant move and I respect them more.
Except we now know getting Shantae and Risky as spirits actually required barely any effort from Wayforward. All they did was toss a handful of art pieces to Nintendo to use as they like, not even specifying in what game or capacity. Even assuming Nintendo put them in Smash due to fan outcry is a tad presumptuous.

They're fine talking about those current spirits, it's only when fans try to press further that they clam up.
 
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Except we now know getting Shantae and Risky as spirits actually required barely any effort from Wayforward. All they did was toss a handful of art pieces to Nintendo to use as they like, not even specifying in what game or capacity. Even assuming Nintendo put them in Smash due to fan outcry is a tad presumptuous.

They're fine talking about those current spirits, it's only when fans try to press further that they clam up.
I meant for that to come out as a "don't diminish our accomplishment" sort of statement, but I see how it comes off mildly presumptuous and ignorant. Good catch.

Thanks for the info.
 

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Maybe WayForward is just tired of being asked that question?
Okay, but that makes it look to the interviewer like they're not paying attention or daydreaming. Even a "no comment" would have sufficed.

Except we now know getting Shantae and Risky as spirits actually required barely any effort from Wayforward. All they did was toss a handful of art pieces to Nintendo to use as they like, not even specifying in what game or capacity. Even assuming Nintendo put them in Smash due to fan outcry is a tad presumptuous.
One can only imagine what WF would do if they did ask Nintendo about adding Shantae as playable. Most third-parties seemingly are under the impression that Nintendo should contact them, and not the other way around.
 
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Teeb147

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Except we now know getting Shantae and Risky as spirits actually required barely any effort from Wayforward. All they did was toss a handful of art pieces to Nintendo to use as they like, not even specifying in what game or capacity. Even assuming Nintendo put them in Smash due to fan outcry is a tad presumptuous.

They're fine talking about those current spirits, it's only when fans try to press further that they clam up.
Lol what you said's not true. You're making a lot of assumptions based on what they said.
 
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You guys have link to that Reddit AMA where Matt did not answer the Smash Question

and what are your guy's conclusion on him not Answering?
It could mean he is under a NDA or he is not and is just avoiding all Smash questions relating to Shantae as he has nothing to say to the fans. But realistically, I think it's option 2 and he is not saying anything since she probably isn't in. I'm not 100% doubting she isn't in, but I wouldn't soley bet she is in because of Matt not answering Smash related questions. There has to be more evidence than silence to confirm someone is under a NDA.
 

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Lol what you said's not true. You're making a lot of assumptions based on what they said.
https://www.siliconera.com/shantae-...antaes-past-present-and-future-shantae-anime/

How did Shantae end up as a Spirit in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and how much input did you have on it?

Bozon:
We’ve been working with Nintendo for something like 25 years, and they know that we’re diehard fans. In this case we just sent over some artwork to be used at their discretion, on the off chance they could include her in some way. We didn’t know that she’d be a Spirit, or even what a Spirit was! We were shocked to see Shantae show up during a Smash Direct. It was awesome! Before that moment, we didn’t know any details. In cases like

that, our M.O. is to zip it and wait.

Maybe I exaggerated a bit in my earlier statement, but can you point out something in this statement that outright contradicts it, unless you believe Bozon is a liar?

Also, he kind of explained his reasoning for being utterly silent about further Smash speculation here and we kind of just kind of glossed it over. He's certainly trained this instinct well by dancing around genie lineage questions.
 
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https://www.siliconera.com/shantae-...antaes-past-present-and-future-shantae-anime/

How did Shantae end up as a Spirit in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and how much input did you have on it?

Bozon:
We’ve been working with Nintendo for something like 25 years, and they know that we’re diehard fans. In this case we just sent over some artwork to be used at their discretion, on the off chance they could include her in some way. We didn’t know that she’d be a Spirit, or even what a Spirit was! We were shocked to see Shantae show up during a Smash Direct. It was awesome! Before that moment, we didn’t know any details. In cases like

that, our M.O. is to zip it and wait.

Maybe I exaggerated a bit in my earlier statement, but can you point out something in this statement that outright contradicts it, unless you believe Bozon is a liar?
Well, of course they wouldn't know what a spirit was, since that wasn't revealed, but it still takes contracts, and it was still for smash, that's why he said that they could include her in some way, not 'for anything nintendo'. They gave the artwork willynilly. And you still need contracts for both company's protection, but it could be something like 'We give Nintendo the right to use the artwork for Shantae we provided', in which case Nintendo might acknowledge it and sign, but WF has no clue whether they'll use it or not, but since they stopped talking about shantae in smash before she was revealed as a spirit, I'm sure Nintendo provided 'something' that would make them not want to mention anything. (they just didn't know any 'details')

Else, they could just say, we hope nintendo will think about including her in some way, to fans.

Edit: Also, I don't think Nintendo would've used her as a spirit for smash if it wasn't for the fan demand. There's very little reason for them to consider her for it besides that.
 
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Well, of course they wouldn't know what a spirit was, since that wasn't revealed, but it still takes contracts, and it was still for smash, that's why he said that they could include her in some way, not 'for anything nintendo'. Not that they gave the artwork willynilly. And you still need contracts for both company's protection, but it could be something like 'We give Nintendo the right to use the artwork for Shantae we provided', in which case Nintendo might acknowledge it and sign, but WF has no clue whether they'll use it or not, but since they stopped talking about shantae in smash before she was revealed as a spirit, I'm sure Nintendo provided 'something' that would make them not want to mention anything.
Well, it's a good thing I never specifically said there were no contracts, isn't it? Either way he's certainly not making the process of being noticed and setting up agreements sound difficult.
 

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Well, no, spirit events don't need that long of a time to process things. And even fighters could technically be decided on not that long before a certain pass, though probably still need to be 1 year in advance in order to get everything ready for it. Depends on the companies, since apparently minecraft has been talked about and in the works for like 5 years.
Still Strife said that somewhere within the last few weeks on the GalaxyTrail Discord.
So yeah, not gonna happen.
Else he wouldn't have said the things he did.
 

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Still Strife said that somewhere within the last few weeks on the GalaxyTrail Discord.
So yeah, not gonna happen.
Else he wouldn't have said the things he did.
Well, if it was just a few weeks ago, and they said they didn't get any calls, then yeah I guess that seals it unless they're deflecting, which I don't think is the case.

Well, it's a good thing I never specifically said there were no contracts, isn't it? Either way he's certainly not making the process of being noticed and setting up agreements sound difficult.
Sure, I can see why you thought it wasn't a big process because of how he said it, and it might've been as short as I mentioned, which isn't a lot for businesses that have to go through a lot to protect themselves.

I'm still a little surprised that just because the 'names' of some mature games are mentioned in some of the nintendo directs, they have to change the name for america or else they can run into some problems with the ratings :/
 
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Maybe WayForward is just tired of being asked that question?
Except they never answered it in the first place.

I don't know, WayForward just doesn't strike me as the kind of people that would deceive their audience for clout and glory.
I'm sure they know the implications of their silence.
So why risk a major backlash, when they could resolve the issue just then and there?

Of course, a company like Activision or EA doesn't give a damn about any backlash, as their things will sell no matter what and that's all that matters to them.
The complaints of the people, they couldn't care less about.
WayForward however cares about a healthy relationship with their fans.
So I don't think they'd put all that on the line, just for fame.
 
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I trust WF. But it is still possible they're just being extra careful if they think Nintendo could use something else for smash. I dunno.
We have a spirit, and icon, really all they could use her for is either a mii costume or a fighter.
 

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I trust WF. But it is still possible they're just being extra careful if they think Nintendo could use something else for smash. I dunno.
We have a spirit, and icon, really all they could use her for is either a mii costume or a fighter.
We really won't know for sure until 2021 ends, so all we can do is wait, really. :drshrug:

In the meantime, do you think they'll keep the milestones going before New Year's?
 

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Thankfully, Shantae's chances of getting a Mii Costume are quite low. Geno is at a higher risk of getting a Mii.
I would rather Shantae get a Mii costume than nothing at all. That's likelier than being playable since it shows that demand for her is still there, like with Travis. Obviously, I want her playable as does everyone else in this thread, but I sure as hell won't say no to any other form of recognition. It's a hell of a lot better than a Spirit, which she already has.
 
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We don't know that.
So be prepared for anything.
I would rather Shantae get a Mii costume than nothing at all. That's likelier than being playable since it shows that demand for her is still there, like with Travis. Obviously, I want her playable as does everyone else in this thread, but I sure as hell won't say no to any other form of recognition. It's a hell of a lot better than a Spirit, which she already has.
For what it's worth, not many even realize that Lloyd's Mii costume has yet to come back, and it's the only Bamco one left that hasn't. With Tales' fast hero turnover rate, his supporters may not be ready for a nasty surprise...
 
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If anything, not many even realize that Lloyd's Mii costume has yet to come back, and it's the only Bamco one left that hasn't. With Tales' fast hero turnover rate, his supporters may not be ready for a nasty surprise...
I want that Lloyd costume back because I'm tired of waiting. Watching all those Namco costumes trickle out is annoying. Just rip the band-aid off already. It was my favorite Swordfighter costume in Sm4sh, and that is unlikely to change.
 

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I want that Lloyd costume back because I'm tired of waiting. Watching all those Namco costumes trickle out is annoying. Just rip the band-aid off already. It was my favorite Swordfighter costume in Sm4sh, and that is unlikely to change.
The only Smash 4 DLC costumes left are Lloyd, Rathalos Armor, Geno, and the Chocobo hat right? And for Fighters Pass 2, so far we got Heihachi back with Min Min and Gil with Steve. So... maybe they’re gonna drop one with each character plus the new Mii fighter outfits. Or maybe they couldn’t get the rights back for one or more of them. ...Or maybe someone’s getting a promotion, who knows.
 

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I would rather Shantae get a Mii costume than nothing at all. That's likelier than being playable since it shows that demand for her is still there, like with Travis. Obviously, I want her playable as does everyone else in this thread, but I sure as hell won't say no to any other form of recognition. It's a hell of a lot better than a Spirit, which she already has.
You don’t get it do you? If it’s your opinion then ok
 

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The only Smash 4 DLC costumes left are Lloyd, Rathalos Armor, Geno, and the Chocobo hat right? And for Fighters Pass 2, so far we got Heihachi back with Min Min and Gil with Steve. So... maybe they’re gonna drop one with each character plus the new Mii fighter outfits. Or maybe they couldn’t get the rights back for one or more of them. ...Or maybe someone’s getting a promotion, who knows.
In Smash 4, Rathalos Armor and Hunter's Armor came together and Geno and Chocobo Hat came together, so if those combos remain plus Lloyd, there will be enough filler for 3 more challenger packs, and then the final pack will be a complete mystery. It'd be funny if the next three fighters were all promotions of the currently missing costumes, but that would be too perfect.
 
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The only Smash 4 DLC costumes left are Lloyd, Rathalos Armor, Geno, and the Chocobo hat right? And for Fighters Pass 2, so far we got Heihachi back with Min Min and Gil with Steve. So... maybe they’re gonna drop one with each character plus the new Mii fighter outfits. Or maybe they couldn’t get the rights back for one or more of them. ...Or maybe someone’s getting a promotion, who knows.
Like I said, Schrodinger's Mii.

At the least, I can see the Rathalos Armor one definitely come back, since Rise will need some cross-promotion (alongside some spirit event).
 
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