Scum Wars Mafia - Game!

[Chaco]

No, Macman is not town in my eyes. Tunneling is a town tel, and Mac has not done it all day. you cannot fake Mac's type of tunneling as scum.

 

[Chaco]

EBWOP:

*tell

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman has hinted at his role pretty hard. It's very unlikely he's not town.

 

[Chaco]

Anyone can fake a hint.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

lol **** is redonkulous and makes no sense if it wasnt for your claim...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not that hint. If he faked it it'll flush out sooner or later and it's an auto-lynch.

 

[Chaco]

Eh, whatever. Lynch Frozen then? 'kay.

Un-V; Vote: Frozen

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Any particular reason you hammer more than a week before the deadline?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

lol **** is redonkulous and makes no sense if it wasnt for your claim...

 

[#HBC | marshy]

cop clear*

 

[#HBC | Mac]

tunneling is not at all a towntell. Have you seen the 30000 other games i was town in and changed my mind 3040499 times.

anyways

FF is dead. It wud really really annoy me if I was wrong and he wasn't scum.

 

[Chaco]

Tunneling is. Handy trick I learned.

 

[Tom]

27th Vote Count

frozenflame751 (5) - Gheb_01, KevinM, Marshy, Macman, Chaco

Not Voting (4) - Xonar, Nicholas1024, Kirbyoshi, Frozenflame751

Without the Emperor in his way, Vader brought his plans to fruition. He scouted the galaxy far and wide for the Rebel alliance, but when he finally found them, it was not on his terms.

Rogue Squadron jumped out of hyperspace, followed quickly by fleets of Rebel cruisers and wings, at the foot of a massive space station, a hundred times greater than its predecessor, a terrible nightmare... the second Death Star. They were prepared, however, and as they navigated through Imperial Star Destroyers and avoided TIE fighters, they breached the line of station's shield generator.

The Millennium Falcon made its way to the core of the station.... and exited out the other end just quickly enough to avoid the magnificent destruction.

frozenflame751, Darth Vader (imperial usurping recruiter) has been lynched.

Send all night actions to me and Steel both. You have 48 hours.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Apologies to everyone including my scum mates. I got in over my head while playing this game and didn't do ****. No johns, I just suck at time management.

Kinda glad I got lynched, would've felt bad if I pulled out a win by not playing.

Hope you guys enjoy the rest of the game.

Apologies to Steel and Tom for being so disrespectful.

 

[Steel]

Apologies to everyone for the delay. I was V/LA and unable have access or update this. I may edit this post with flavor later, but for now we really need to get the game going.

Gheb_01, Luke Skywalker (Rebel Vigilante) has died during the night.

Night 4 ends.

Day 5 begins.

A deadline has been set for February 27th 2010 at 11:59:59 EST.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

vote scumcholas. quicklynch this blatant scumbag please

pretty glad your terrible play is a result of being scum and not just worst **** gg

btw did you slurp up chaco before or after he became your scumbuddy?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

kevin who was your other choice?

 

[Chaco]

Uhm, Marshy...what the hell are you rambling on about?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Marshy, you're an idiot on several counts.

1) My play has not been terrible. You and Macman seem to be the only ones that think so.
2) You really want to lynch me on the fact that I'm the cop and someone flipped mafia recruiter? I'm not sure if a recruit works against doc protects (I wouldn't think so), but I've probably been protected nearly every night, making me a risky choice for maf.
3) Do you really think there are 4 mafia with a recruiter? That is just incredibly broken. Given Steel and Tom are modding, that's highly doubtful. I have a feeling the other kill KevinM was getting was from Gheb...

My N3 investigation was on Frozen, he came up guilty, but you guys beat me to the punch. (Still can't believe I was V/LA for a whole day...)

My N4 investigation was on Macman, he came up innocent (to my surprise). So, at the moment, the clears are:

Chaco/Macman/KevinM (indy, but definitely not maf).

The only suspects left are:

Marshy/KirbyYoshi/Xonar/Me.

I think it's time for a mass-claim.

You know I'm Princess Leia the cop, how about the rest of you?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Actually, make that partial-mass claim. I don't want Chaco-Macman to claim, cause they're clear anyway. No use giving the mafia more info. (KevinM's already claimed, so...)

 

[Chaco]

Xonar claimed D1. Governor 1-shot.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@ investigating a confirmed good guy

yes youre scum cuz a recruiter filpped and youre still alive. doctor doesnt protect against recruitment. but if theres a shrink he should prob claim

i dont get what you mean by asking me if theres 4 scum with a recruiter. it couldve just been ronike/meta/frozen

also how are you going to list chaco as cleared when his being cleared relies on you being legit cop and then not put yourself as cleared?

anyway im against a massclaim why do that when you can be quicklynched

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lallalalla

i thought i was scum?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

8 ppl still alive.

assume 1 scumbag and kevin indy.

ML
6 ppl alive

ML
4ppl alive, we lose if kevin joints with scum.

Which means we have 2 chances to hit right.
We can lynch someone today. And if it's a ML then we can lynch kevin tomorrow. And then we'll have another chance after kevin dies.

and word, Gheb. good vigging. cept for mentos, but everyone else was on point!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Noone is clear because of recruiter, so xonar, kirbyo can't rely on their breadcrumbs/claims.

So yea, looks like we're all gonna have to step it up.

Nick, why'd you investigate FF over me N3?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

And are we still going with the 2scumteams theory? Cuz I just assumed tht Kevin was choosing between vigshots and mafshots. But tht doesn't really make sense because of an extra death n1. Which means it probably is 2 scum teams.

But then again, the imperial scumteam has the recruiter, which would mean if someone was recruited they'd be imperial. Which would give imperial guys 4 scumbags. Which in turn wouldn't make sense for 2 scum teams.

Does Usurping mean they can't win unless like the godfather is dead?

alot of things to think about.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

why arent you helping me quicklynch scumcholas

btw whats your avatar?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Does Usurping mean they can't win unless like the godfather is dead?

yes thats why he bussed

 

[#HBC | Mac]

cuz it could be anyone. And why would nick as scum clear so many people. Esp if he could have easily claimed roleblocked this entire time.

CD cover of Lupe Fiasco's 'The Cool'

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I was just gonna be like: 'How do you know he can't recruit only until he killed the GF, which would make sense.' But then I realized, that's probably what happened.

This would answer why Nick cleared so many people initially and why his last 2 investigations suck. Because he didn't get recruited until the night before.

Why did you choose FF to investigate n3? And why me n4? Esp after I've pushed lynches of all 3 scumbags?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

n1=ronikeguilty
n2=chacoinno
n3=frozenguilty
n4=macmaninno

yeah im thinking nick can die considering his claimed nights 3 and 4 investigations are p bad

 

[Nicholas1024]

@ investigating a confirmed good guy

yes youre scum cuz a recruiter filpped and youre still alive. doctor doesnt protect against recruitment. but if theres a shrink he should prob claim

i dont get what you mean by asking me if theres 4 scum with a recruiter. it couldve just been ronike/meta/frozen

also how are you going to list chaco as cleared when his being cleared relies on you being legit cop and then not put yourself as cleared?

anyway im against a massclaim why do that when you can be quicklynched

Confirmed good guy? Before my investigation, it was only in your mind Marshy.

Let me spell it out for you why Chaco's cleared.

I'm not buying the 2 mafia factions theory. Because those shots on N2 and N3 had to have been vig, as it would have been a stupid idea for a mafia faction (even a competing one) to shoot them over an Obv townie. So, I think KevinM was choosing between vig and maf shots.

4 scumbags plus a recruiter in a 15 person game is broken. (5 scum - 15 town). Steel and Tom are better mods than that. So, there's only one scumbag left.

Case 1: I'm the cop, and Chaco's cleared by investigation.

Case 2: I was recruited, but there's only one scumbag left, so Chaco's still cleared.

So, either way, Chaco's cleared, and the exact same process works for Macman.

At any rate, from a simple logic standpoint, you should keep me alive. Here's why:

If I am the cop, I can give you investigation results before you kill me, vastly helping us out.
If I am scum, it doesn't matter if you lynch me now, or in another day or two.

So, keeping me alive = benefit to town. Seriously, it's not that hard!

Not to mention, let's look at the other lynch targets...

Marshy: You were correct on 2 scum reads and one town read, but I'm still hesitant. I was in Wonderland mafia, and I know how you like to bus for townie points... Not to mention you're pushing my wagon on moronic reasoning. And in addition, you're a good player to make you a reasonable recruit target.

Xivii/Kirbyoshi: Super-lurker. And claimed miller. Thing is though, he was suspicious from D1, which makes him a bad idea for a recruit.

Xonar: Another super-lurker, and he was cleared by way of ability on D1. This would make him a very good recruit target. Seriously, what has he done this game, aside from use his governor ability?

And Marshy, Quick Lynch = baaaaad. See Wonderland Mafia. Actually, see any mafia game. You're smart enough to know this, why are you advocating it?

So, let's take care of Xonar first. I've had enough of lurkers.

Vote: Xonar

Still would like to hear Marshy and Kirbyoshi claim.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol
such a bad post

vote: nick

yu better not be scum, scumshy

 

[#HBC | marshy]

lol n o

 

[Nicholas1024]

I was just gonna be like: 'How do you know he can't recruit only until he killed the GF, which would make sense.' But then I realized, that's probably what happened.

This would answer why Nick cleared so many people initially and why his last 2 investigations suck. Because he didn't get recruited until the night before.

Why did you choose FF to investigate n3? And why me n4? Esp after I've pushed lynches of all 3 scumbags?

Typically, when someone gets recruited, they don't get the message until day breaks. Which would have meant that my Frozenflame investigation would have been locked in by the time I got the recruit message. Besides, isn't it obvious why I chose FF to investigate N3? If I get a clear, it's awesome cause he's an excellent player, and if I get a guilty its an easy scum lynch. Win-win.

Besides macman, Chaco and I were still suspicious of you as of yesterday. I'd hardly call it a wasted investigation, it kept me from going down the same old path today.

 

[Nicholas1024]

lol
such a bad post

vote: nick

yu better not be scum, scumshy

This type of half-hearted no-reasoning lol-vote post is exactly why Chaco and I found you suspicious previously.

 

[Nicholas1024]

By the way, would you guys please provide reasoning when you say "Lol, bad post?" Either back up the statement, or don't make it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm not buying the 2 mafia factions theory. Because those shots on N2 and N3 had to have been vig, as it would have been a stupid idea for a mafia faction (even a competing one) to shoot them over an Obv townie. So, I think KevinM was choosing between vig and maf shots.

This is not a fact just because you think it is.

4 scumbags plus a recruiter in a 15 person game is broken. (5 scum - 15 town). Steel and Tom are better mods than that. So, there's only one scumbag left.

who said anything about 4 scumbags plus a recruit?

Case 1: I'm the cop, and Chaco's cleared by investigation.

Case 2: I was recruited, but there's only one scumbag left, so Chaco's still cleared.

case 3. chaco was recruited. [i don't think this is the case, but i just wanna shoot down all your points =D]

So, either way, Chaco's cleared, and the exact same process works for Macman.

case 3

At any rate, from a simple logic standpoint, you should keep me alive. Here's why:

If I am the cop, I can give you investigation results before you kill me, vastly helping us out.
If I am scum, it doesn't matter if you lynch me now, or in another day or two.

So, keeping me alive = benefit to town. Seriously, it's not that hard!

whenever someone says this. i want to lynch them immediately. It suggests that survival is what you are aiming for more than town winning. I really hate this, and it's scummy as ****.

Not to mention, let's look at the other lynch targets...

Marshy: You were correct on 2 scum reads and one town read, but I'm still hesitant. I was in Wonderland mafia, and I know how you like to bus for townie points... Not to mention you're pushing my wagon on moronic reasoning. And in addition, you're a good player to make you a reasonable recruit target.

Only point valid here is the last one. And that's just trying to outguess scum, which leads to wifom.

Xivii/Kirbyoshi: Super-lurker. And claimed miller. Thing is though, he was suspicious from D1, which makes him a bad idea for a recruit.

Xonar: Another super-lurker, and he was cleared by way of ability on D1. This would make him a very good recruit target. Seriously, what has he done this game, aside from use his governor ability?

I don't agree with this suspicion at all. I don't see how xonar has been lurking. He's been actively participating the entire time.

Also, why did you investigate FF over ME n3. If you thought I was scummy why not investigate me. Your reasoning for investigating FF is so general and stupid. And then your reasoning for investigating me wouldn't make sense esp since if I was scum, I would have bussed every single one of my partners.

 

[Nicholas1024]

This is not a fact just because you think it is.


who said anything about 4 scumbags plus a recruit?



case 3. chaco was recruited. [i don't think this is the case, but i just wanna shoot down all your points =D]



case 3



whenever someone says this. i want to lynch them immediately. It suggests that survival is what you are aiming for more than town winning. I really hate this, and it's scummy as ****.



Only point valid here is the last one. And that's just trying to outguess scum, which leads to wifom.





I don't agree with this suspicion at all. I don't see how xonar has been lurking. He's been actively participating the entire time.

Also, why did you investigate FF over ME n3. If you thought I was scummy why not investigate me. Your reasoning for investigating FF is so general and stupid. And then your reasoning for investigating me wouldn't make sense esp since if I was scum, I would have bussed every single one of my partners.

Marshy did actually, he said something about me being scumbuddies with Chaco.

Case 3 is a silly idea. Pick one of the good-but-not-great players over both cleared PR's and excellent players? Besides, why are you guys assuming that the recruit was used N3 anyway? There is no evidence to suggest that he couldn't have used it N1 or N2.

You know, PR survival is beneficial to town. Just wanted to point that out for you.

Outguess scum? Not at all, just pointing out reasonable points about how Marshy could very well be scum. And you're following him blindly.

Out of still alive players, Xonar has less posts than everyone but the Kirbyoshi-Xivii tandem. Check the post counts.

My reasoning for Frozenflame may be general, but it makes perfect sense. And you haven't exactly been playing the best game either. Not to mention, 2 of the 3 scum that have died were vigged, not lynched.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You still haven't answered why you chose FF over me. What does me not having played the best game ever have to do with anything? Was FF playing better? I'm not sure I understand your point there.

I know 2 of them were vigged, but I was still pushing their lynches during the day. My point still stands.

You aren't directly answering the question