Citizen Snips
Smash Journeyman
I never figured out how to play G&W. I taunt as fast as I can, but I still get 4 stocked. What's the secret?
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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G&W actually has two taunts. The secret lies in his dash. If you can figure it out then you'll unlock his true potential.
But why I love your falcon D:
Mokumo
Smash Ace
overall i think FD is a good stage for falcon
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it's actually not horrid compared to yoshis (usually) or fountain and its really just preference, i only like FD vs peach. marth/shiek/ganon is also bearable if they suck and most marths shieks ganons blow ***
i'm somewhat mediocre at tech chasing and I use platforms a lot to continue my tech chases and have some kool platform tricks/gimmicks
your recovery, while pretty decent on platform stages is now a lot ****tier
just getting hit off stage and knowing you are dead unless they really blow it i don't like although it is easier for you to edgeguard too without plats but it benefits them more imo in most cases
chain grabs although some of them you can DI and jump out of before the regrab (pretty sure as long as you DI and mash jump). Fox/Marth up-throws come to mind
its a pick i don't mind if opponent fox/falco picks last game because by then i will have picked up reads throughout the set on tech patterns and thats where ur notetaking pays off. or i am on fire for the day. i hate FD vs unknown opponents and/or first set of match
alternatively if you just naturally somehow raep at tech chasing then FD should be a great pick, pick whatever you think best suits you
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a lot of characters the matchup itself isn't so bad but its really the stages that are often really ghey. more stages usually benefit them more than u and you only have 1 ban. Losing first game usually forces you to play on yoshis/fountain which vs a fox who doesn't suck is super gay.
only real exception to this is marth, Fountain is not a bad stage for falcon vs marth at all, yoshis is "bad", while every other stage is neutral/ helps you. brinstar/ rainbow cruise/ dk64(?) also helps you too.
i'm somewhat mediocre at tech chasing and I use platforms a lot to continue my tech chases and have some kool platform tricks/gimmicks
your recovery, while pretty decent on platform stages is now a lot ****tier
just getting hit off stage and knowing you are dead unless they really blow it i don't like although it is easier for you to edgeguard too without plats but it benefits them more imo in most cases
chain grabs although some of them you can DI and jump out of before the regrab (pretty sure as long as you DI and mash jump). Fox/Marth up-throws come to mind
its a pick i don't mind if opponent fox/falco picks last game because by then i will have picked up reads throughout the set on tech patterns and thats where ur notetaking pays off. or i am on fire for the day. i hate FD vs unknown opponents and/or first set of match
alternatively if you just naturally somehow raep at tech chasing then FD should be a great pick, pick whatever you think best suits you
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a lot of characters the matchup itself isn't so bad but its really the stages that are often really ghey. more stages usually benefit them more than u and you only have 1 ban. Losing first game usually forces you to play on yoshis/fountain which vs a fox who doesn't suck is super gay.
only real exception to this is marth, Fountain is not a bad stage for falcon vs marth at all, yoshis is "bad", while every other stage is neutral/ helps you. brinstar/ rainbow cruise/ dk64(?) also helps you too.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Shoutouts to Broneblade.
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
renebro
i have money now so im gonna get that dazzle
i have money now so im gonna get that dazzle
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Johnny did u just say fod isnt bad vs marth?
I understand that it might be better than YS, but.....good?
I understand that it might be better than YS, but.....good?
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not bad lol
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
......................you need to enlighten the rest of us then johnny.
Wenbobular
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I've felt it too but I had no idea why
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why fountain is better than yoshi assuming you can manuever on Fountain properly
ceilings are freaking huge so you live forever assuming you don't get tipped, i'm talkin 150%+ because everything of marths besides his ghey d-tilt and spike hit you up and away.
Because the ceilings are high, when you are hit off at 150%+ its very easy to recover using platform jukes/ edgecancels
yoshis is too tiny and the edge layout favors marth a lot, recovery is tougher
its my belief that falcon usually has a mid-tier recovery when the stage and matchup is right, and falcon vs marth on fountain is no exception. On Yoshi's however, its harder simply because you have a good chance of getting ***** by getting shot out of the blastzone or being in a way easier to edgeguard spot
(although you can edgecancel the cloud, really good if you edgecancel then quickly knee them when they are holding onto the ledge)
tippers aren't automatic like yoshis because platforms aren't gayly positioned like in yoshis
so if you are good on fountain and don't try to aerial when a platform is raised at the most possible gay spot so platform kok blocks you, i think yoshis is worse
don't pick it if you aren't experienced on fountain of dreams, all other matchups its quite bad although variable platform heights, while often screwing you over, can sometimes help you out
knowing what you can do at each platform height is important, when its barely raised you can sh n-air and land both hits if you don't fastfall, stuff like that
when its raised mid way though, you pretty much can't aerial without getting kok blocked by the platform
silentspectre agrees that FoD isn't bad vs marth either (he told me after he beat PPU at either GSG or DGDTJ i forgot which, although he might like it for different reasons
take my advice with a grain of salt and find if yoshis or FoD fits your playstyle better vs marth. my falcon style is weird
for example I usually play a stomp heavy game as spacing and it's easier on FoD as opposed to Yoshis
ceilings are freaking huge so you live forever assuming you don't get tipped, i'm talkin 150%+ because everything of marths besides his ghey d-tilt and spike hit you up and away.
Because the ceilings are high, when you are hit off at 150%+ its very easy to recover using platform jukes/ edgecancels
yoshis is too tiny and the edge layout favors marth a lot, recovery is tougher
its my belief that falcon usually has a mid-tier recovery when the stage and matchup is right, and falcon vs marth on fountain is no exception. On Yoshi's however, its harder simply because you have a good chance of getting ***** by getting shot out of the blastzone or being in a way easier to edgeguard spot
(although you can edgecancel the cloud, really good if you edgecancel then quickly knee them when they are holding onto the ledge)
tippers aren't automatic like yoshis because platforms aren't gayly positioned like in yoshis
so if you are good on fountain and don't try to aerial when a platform is raised at the most possible gay spot so platform kok blocks you, i think yoshis is worse
don't pick it if you aren't experienced on fountain of dreams, all other matchups its quite bad although variable platform heights, while often screwing you over, can sometimes help you out
knowing what you can do at each platform height is important, when its barely raised you can sh n-air and land both hits if you don't fastfall, stuff like that
when its raised mid way though, you pretty much can't aerial without getting kok blocked by the platform
silentspectre agrees that FoD isn't bad vs marth either (he told me after he beat PPU at either GSG or DGDTJ i forgot which, although he might like it for different reasons
take my advice with a grain of salt and find if yoshis or FoD fits your playstyle better vs marth. my falcon style is weird
for example I usually play a stomp heavy game as spacing and it's easier on FoD as opposed to Yoshis
Walt
Smash Ace
I've been trying to decide between YS and FoD for marth for a while, but I haven't played a serious marth in tournament in a bit. Last time I did it was Tang, I won on DL then he took me to FoD and went Fox and I got 3 stocked lol. Next time I'll try banning YS just to see how it goes.
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Oh wow S2j and me are totally not alike.
I mean I counterpick YS and bann FOD
vs every charackter
still, send us some vids were you are playing on fod s2j. Im curious to see how that goes.
I mean I counterpick YS and bann FOD
vs every charackter
still, send us some vids were you are playing on fod s2j. Im curious to see how that goes.
Citizen Snips
Smash Journeyman
Taking bets now for Falcon being bottom tier in the new Smash Bros.
Also, what the hell is that new controller?
Also, what the hell is that new controller?
Wenbobular
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Crashboards is back up woo
Dunno if user CP is broken or just that no one's posted in a day
Dunno if user CP is broken or just that no one's posted in a day
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
S2J vs Hack you heard it here first folks.
-Ice-
Smash Apprentice
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i want to join that bike trip :D
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
I remember this fod vs ys discussion fron before, i just dont ever remember fleshing it out like this.
Mokumo
Smash Ace
fullhop nair
discuss
discuss
Palpi
Smash Hero
blasphemy...fox is fun too!
Divinokage
Smash Legend
What are you saying Fox is fun in a Falcon boards? Only manly **** in here!
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
ganon is boring.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ganon is the ****, dude. The feeling of every landed hits is sooooo good!!!
Walt
Smash Ace
Sometimes when I play ganon it feels like I'm just playing him for stomp>usmash cheese. That is seriously the funniest 60%+ that can happen in 1 second.
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
every time i techchase a fair or dair with ganon i feel like GAAAARRRRRGH IM THE RULER OF DARKNESSSS@#$%^&*(
Da Shuffla
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The only problem I have with Ganon is that I go from having pretty good tech skill. . . .
To missing EVERY L-cancel.
Not just like one or two stomps. . . . .
Every move.
I factor in the fact that I will miss my L-Cancel when I go for a combo.
To missing EVERY L-cancel.
Not just like one or two stomps. . . . .
Every move.
I factor in the fact that I will miss my L-Cancel when I go for a combo.
Mokumo
Smash Ace
that's pretty funny because your name is "da shuffla"
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fountain is only better vs marths and ganons/falcons who suck on it
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s2j with the truth...
His RunTurn animation is the best. do that a few times and it's like taunting 40 times
Da Shuffla
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Well, when I'm Ganon, I'm "Da Shuffa."
linkoninja
Smash Journeyman
I always found FoD was good as Marth. I just hate that stage in general.
Mizar
Smash Ace
I've been trying to use this effectively for a while now, spacing it so the second hit barely hits to knock down for a tech chase. Havent had the chance to develop it the right way yet, but I think theres potential in it to use every now and then
Wenbobular
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Anytime (most of the time?) you hit with Nair you could be hitting them with Knee ... or stomp ... or just grabbing them again
Sometimes I use it for techchasing on platforms because you can DI back and hit them with the butt but stomping is just such high reward
Also holding down kills Nair techchasing
Holding down kinda kills Nair period for the most part
Sometimes I use it for techchasing on platforms because you can DI back and hit them with the butt but stomping is just such high reward
Also holding down kills Nair techchasing
Holding down kinda kills Nair period for the most part
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
nair against fox. first hit never connects.
help
i assume i gotta do it right after they jump, but their nair is out at that point. fox.
help
i assume i gotta do it right after they jump, but their nair is out at that point. fox.
Wenbobular
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Who cares about the first hit
Start the Nair early so the 2nd hit stuffs them
Once they're in the range where you can't safely Nair (i.e. up in your grill) you shouldn't be trying to Nair anymore
Start the Nair early so the 2nd hit stuffs them
Once they're in the range where you can't safely Nair (i.e. up in your grill) you shouldn't be trying to Nair anymore
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