darkrain is the most ridiculous tech chaser. i dont understand... *head explodes*
also LOOOL at Magus
also LOOOL at Magus
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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DippnDots
Feral Youth
I wish I watched that anime now so I could be in on the funny >_>
Someone though! When you tech chase spacies on an uthrow, can you do it purely on reaction?
Someone though! When you tech chase spacies on an uthrow, can you do it purely on reaction?
DrewB008
Smash Lord
most people can regrab if they tech to either side on reaction
especially studly people can react to the tech in place and grab, but these people are few and far between
nobody can react with a stomp or knee that i know of
especially studly people can react to the tech in place and grab, but these people are few and far between
nobody can react with a stomp or knee that i know of
Dark_Crono
Smash Journeyman
So youre saying that theres a huge difference between techchasing by reaction with a stomp or knee than with a grab?.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
thanks D
10chars
10chars
yes
theres a difference.
theres a difference.
DrewB008
Smash Lord
let me put it like this
if i could tech chase with a stomp or knee by reaction
i would never lose a match to a space animal or another falcon
if i could tech chase with a stomp or knee by reaction
i would never lose a match to a space animal or another falcon
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Yo Scar
I'm playing a spammy Falco
all he does is spam Utilt OVER AND OVER for damage
moves with Fsmash
and constantly spams lasers
What do I do?
I'm playing a spammy Falco
all he does is spam Utilt OVER AND OVER for damage
moves with Fsmash
and constantly spams lasers
What do I do?
Milos
Smash Lord
CC grab utilts at low percents.
Shield fsmashes and grab if they're close enough or dair oos to setup tech chases and stuff.
If you can't powershield lasers consistently, try and jump around them and get in close. If he shoots a high laser raptor boost under or just run up and knee him in the face. Get in close and nair grab at low percents
Shield fsmashes and grab if they're close enough or dair oos to setup tech chases and stuff.
If you can't powershield lasers consistently, try and jump around them and get in close. If he shoots a high laser raptor boost under or just run up and knee him in the face. Get in close and nair grab at low percents
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Falco can CC the nair at low enough percents, i'm pretty sure, so be weary. If you hit him in the air with it you might be able to regrab. My falcon experience is limited pretty much to what i've seen others do
metashinryu
Smash Ace
hey shoudnt someone put a sticky or some crap topic for all this stupid reply wars about ss=darkrain to take place there? i mean a popular topic for exclusively those debatimg stuff and let this be *Ask Scar & Big D Melee Falcon Questions* thread and not *put all the **** you want here cuz nobody cares really*
and as for the topic:scar CAN YOU PUT THAT THREAD ON FALCON BOARDS???
and as for the topic:scar CAN YOU PUT THAT THREAD ON FALCON BOARDS???
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Any luck Scar?
Scar
#HarveyDent
yeah huge difference, reaction means that you see what they do and then react to it, I don't think there are even enough frames to react to tech in place with a shffl'd aerial.
jesus christ i have nightmares about these guys.
the fsmash thing is actually going to be his one weakness, you can definitely run in and shield that and turn it into a grab for you, it has a ton of hitstun tho and it's out forever so i def wouldn't try to DD grab it unless you have a lot of experience and know the move really well
utilt ***** you. it ***** your approach, it ***** your combos, it combos you really well, it just sucks. odds are he spams it incorrectly tho and you can get around it, just never jump in at him and definitely dont jump OOS ever. also a lot of the time if you fB at close range they will utilt as soon as you do it, which means your firefist will uppercut them in the cooldown lag
lasers are gay, learn to powershield asap and otherwise dj around to negotiate space, make sure to never get hit out of your dj tho. shield then wd or DJ oos, try not to roll much. nair jumps over low lasers, try to nair simply to move around but don't get punished for it
more to come in the matchup thread
May I ask which matches? And why?
DrewB008
Smash Lord
aquteen: be creative and fake him out
abit_rusty
Smash Lord
What works for me is to ledgehop onto the stage and immediately waveland offstage. Hopefully this baits an fsmash or a grab and you can immediately jump back onto the stage after the waveland and punish as you're landing (stomp usually, or knee) or else escape.
Scar
#HarveyDent
Cups
Smash Ace
i still say bigD is best based on personality alone
tubes
Smash Ace
On yoshi's you can waveland off the stage, jump back up and waveland on the above platform. It's very quick and sets you up for a counterattack.
papermarkis
Smash Lord
Big D will ****ing poop on your ****.
Scar
#HarveyDent
yeah generally vs marth you really do need to fake him out, fsmash covers so many options and him waiting for a grab is deadly too
wavelanding on and buffering a roll is pretty good, waveland>shield never works ever =/ so don't try it
wavelanding on and buffering a roll is pretty good, waveland>shield never works ever =/ so don't try it
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Whoa, so you basically moved all the recent stuff and moved it to another thread?
Scar
#HarveyDent
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Kage when will you be in the states again? I should have played you more at pound 3
Falcon Q: When can you do drop zone? Is it a matter of your opponent's DI, their percent, or a combination of the two?r
Falcon Q: When can you do drop zone? Is it a matter of your opponent's DI, their percent, or a combination of the two?r
Ja
Smash Journeyman
What are some good tech chasing options when they hit a side platform? Two common situations:
1) CF is right beneath platform when they hit it.
2) CF has to run to the platform they hit. Cf is at most 1/2 pokestadium distance from platform.
I guess just limit it to BF and PS platforms because those are the "most normal" platforms.
I have the most trouble when they dont tech for some reason.
1) CF is right beneath platform when they hit it.
2) CF has to run to the platform they hit. Cf is at most 1/2 pokestadium distance from platform.
I guess just limit it to BF and PS platforms because those are the "most normal" platforms.
I have the most trouble when they dont tech for some reason.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
isnt it un escapable? i mean you might not get the knee but if the di away theres enough stun to dj uair them. or am i wrong?
Scar
#HarveyDent
dropzone is kind of silly, it works on fox/falco/falcon and sometimes on other heavy characters, i've only really done it consistently vs sheik
anyways yes it's dependent on both DI and percent, vs fox and falco they can frequently shine you out of dzone so its easier to do vs falco, and you can always react to the DI, it's not like away DI takes you by surprise, you see them fly too far away for the knee to connect
the best advice i can give is to practice it in friendlies, get used to when you hit and when you whiff and whether to knee or whether to go for a bair stage spike or maybe just to abort and jump back onstage. don't worry if you SD in friendlies because learning dzone is important: when it hits it's a stock and it's worth it.
you SHOULD however practice on your own the recovery timing. i can consistently land on the stage after dzone knee and i consistently grab the ledge after dzone dair, make that timing as tight as you can
If you predict the missed tech everything works, like you uthrow sheik at 30 and she lands on the plat you just run and uair her, as though the platform isn't even there.
most of the time since this is so easy people will tech, so similarly you want to predict where they will tech and wait and THEN uair them, knee actually hits on YS and pokemon vs certain characters when you're under the platform and they're on it
your options are the same whether you have to run to the platform or you're right under it, besides kneeing, which works way better under the platform. predict the tech, wait for it and either uair the whole platform (or as much of it as you can), jump above them and dair (ss and darkrain do this a lot), or even jumping above them and kneeing on your way down works fine
if they miss the tech and you didn't predict it the best thing is to just wait there and bait a getup attack, but this is by far the hardest thing to punish. if they have slow reaction time you can wait there for a while and then uair as fast as you can, sometimes it'll catch them by surprise.
it shouldn't matter. i don't think anyone uses the cstick though, i have no idea if it's more accurate or whatever with throws
metashinryu
Smash Ace
thanks god you took me serious
i have a question: what can i do for approaching matters with falcon? i have a friend of mine who is a freaking beast with link and can **** the shiz outta me because i cant even touch him, he runs into me with a nair i cant counter unless i shield grab him but then he gets the hang of it and turns it around
Ja
Smash Journeyman
What are some ways to bait a getup attack (platforms and ground)? Just assume for some reason they're lying there and they are no longer stunned.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
what do i do when everytime i approach someone with aerial - gentleman he drops his shield after the aerial and CCs the gentleman into a grab and it works EVERY time? even if i get only one two or all three hits of the gentleman i always get CC grabbed at like <50%
DippnDots
Feral Youth
don't do it at a such a low percent then. If you want, when you land it get out a jab or two then buffer a roll before the gentlemen. You gotta play a game that'll keep him guessing.
run up next to them and put your shield up whne their animation begins, then you can shield grab them after the get-up attack hits your shield. Powershield it to look pro.
Scar
#HarveyDent
on the platforms jumping straight up through them usually does the trick, then double jump and come down with an aerial. smarter players won't fall for this so you can waveland on the platform and then try to react to the getup attack w/ your shield
if they're lying on the ground generally running up to them will prompt them to use a getup attack, so in anticipation you can run up and shield or run up and quickly double jump. once they getup attack they are pretty vulnerable so you can do whatever you want to punish them if you baited it properly
you can do anything you want tbh. unless it's sheik or jiggs and you know they're gonna cc that sounds like a free grab to me, run in and hit their shield, space yourself basically on top of them, hold L on your l-cancel and mash A to shieldgrab
also you should work on aerial>dash, which can't be grabbed depending on which move and your spacing, and also aerial to buffer roll. gentleman is preferred to jabbing once or twice but it's not completely safe
as a final thought you could cancel gentleman into raptor boost, falcon kick, or fsmash to avoid the grab.
i am completely new to falcon i can shffl pretty well, chain grab, and i try to tech chase but i really dont know anything about the falcon. So could anyone help with combos and advanced techs if there are any. Any info i would love to hear and im already reading character match ups.
ps- i've heard that n-air combos great but idk how to combo with it at all and to Scar to yu use c-stick for all your aerials or the A button or a mix of the 2
ps- i've heard that n-air combos great but idk how to combo with it at all and to Scar to yu use c-stick for all your aerials or the A button or a mix of the 2
tubes
Smash Ace
everything combos with falcon. you just gotta be able to do it quick enough.
Kike_Ichigo
Smash Cadet
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Mix both of them... some times I use the A for some aerials but with Dairs I use most of time de C-stick
Scar
#HarveyDent
I Hate April Fools So Much
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
johns ?
but scar whyyy its sooo good.
Ja
Smash Journeyman
Cause it's ****ing annoying. Whenever someone tells you anything you never know if it's true or not. Plus a ton of websites become less useful because guess what it's april ****ing fools and they want to **** around and piss off their viewers with false information.