GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
TOO BAD FSMASH LOOKS COOLER
*burning elbow to lovage's face*
*burning elbow to lovage's face*
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
- Thread starter Scar
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Roneblaster
Smash Hero
If you do non aerials into their shield, you're doing it wrong.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
nvm im too drunk
falcon is cool
falcon is cool
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
BURNING ELBOW OF INCREDIBLE
yayuzzz
yayuzzz
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
I played niko at princeton alot, he's good. i also watched scar crush him in crews despite said too good against falcon description, lol.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Peach Help
Ok guys, I usually don't ask for specific character help, but my friend's peach just got ridiculous... to the point where I don't know what to do.
His peach's downsmash and turnip control is 2 much and once i get off the stage,, he float cancels and waits and aerials till I die and chain grabs lol. Any help guys. How shoud I approach a Peach like this? Scar how do you fight peaches?
Ok guys, I usually don't ask for specific character help, but my friend's peach just got ridiculous... to the point where I don't know what to do.
His peach's downsmash and turnip control is 2 much and once i get off the stage,, he float cancels and waits and aerials till I die and chain grabs lol. Any help guys. How shoud I approach a Peach like this? Scar how do you fight peaches?
AxelSlam
Smash Ace
forward smashes were mentioned
I'm gonna have to call bull**** on this one. There's no way that, for example, taking Zhu down to his last stock at 100% doesn't mean that you're hella good.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
lol can I get any help in the help thread lolz?
Peach Help
Ok guys, I usually don't ask for specific character help, but my friend's peach just got ridiculous... to the point where I don't know what to do.
His peach's downsmash and turnip control is 2 much and once i get off the stage,, he float cancels and waits and aerials till I die and chain grabs lol. Any help guys. How shoud I approach a Peach like this? Scar how do you fight peaches?
Peach Help
Ok guys, I usually don't ask for specific character help, but my friend's peach just got ridiculous... to the point where I don't know what to do.
His peach's downsmash and turnip control is 2 much and once i get off the stage,, he float cancels and waits and aerials till I die and chain grabs lol. Any help guys. How shoud I approach a Peach like this? Scar how do you fight peaches?
Lovage
Smash Hero
yeah there is
and using zhu as an example is probably the worst person you could have chosen
`DNS`
Smash Lord
yeah even using me would've been better than using zhu, right?
:D
also @leviathan: you don't want my help i suck
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Lol, leviathan. Sounds like he's just playing the matchup correctly. Try to make him approach, but remember there isn't much you can punish except for the dsmash. Peaches' approaches are weak. If you need to approach, go for a nair. Punish Dsmash w/dair. If you get a grab, capitalize.
Watch this man play against me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8v7SNdWPHQ
I think I'm alright at the matchup, but I was sort of screwing around in the 1st 2 matches. None the less, watch what he does with his grabs.
Watch this man play against me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8v7SNdWPHQ
I think I'm alright at the matchup, but I was sort of screwing around in the 1st 2 matches. None the less, watch what he does with his grabs.
almost beating really great people doesnt mean nearly as much as beating pretty good people
playing against peach means dash dancing close to them to see if they spot dodge or roll, uairing them if they go too high, nairing if youre backed into a corner and theyre in the air, trying to predict dash attacks and shield grabbing them, etc.
you should be able to dodge turnips easily enough with your speed, so just do that for a little while and the peach will usually stop pulling up turnips as frequently
playing against peach means dash dancing close to them to see if they spot dodge or roll, uairing them if they go too high, nairing if youre backed into a corner and theyre in the air, trying to predict dash attacks and shield grabbing them, etc.
you should be able to dodge turnips easily enough with your speed, so just do that for a little while and the peach will usually stop pulling up turnips as frequently
Juggleguy
Smash Grimer
bigD, I'm sad you didn't come to the Michigan tourney today. You missed Kels beasting (getting lucky) against Tec0. And some delicious Tink and Vidjo ****.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Ok thanks but when i do grab him and start up a combo he di's down and away as to break my combos and I must say it si pretty dam good at breaking combos. What do I do then... because killing peach without combos is extremeley hard..
I won't argue with that. I'm just saying that almost beating really great people means something as opposed to nothing. I was somewhat delirious in my last post and got sidetracked from what I meant to say.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
anyone can answer to that question of mine not just big d lol (ahem zephyr)
juggle i unfortunately had to drive from chicago to ohio yesterday, couldnt really squeeze it in
and zephyr, it really doesnt mean nearly as much as people like to think it does. i've taken chu down to his last stock on the third match of the set, but i've also lost to plenty of people you've probably never heard of and probably wouldnt be considered "hella good"
and zephyr, it really doesnt mean nearly as much as people like to think it does. i've taken chu down to his last stock on the third match of the set, but i've also lost to plenty of people you've probably never heard of and probably wouldnt be considered "hella good"
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Uhh..i really am not trying to increase my post count... i just need help lolz
SuperRad
Smash Master
yeah that was mad gentlemanly of him
SS is a beast i cant wait to play him like regularly
good **** hax$
-scar lol
What I do against Peach is wait for her to approach, then punish her for approaching. That's pretty much the extent of my Falcon game against Peach. I mostly go Fox against Peach because of the easy combos and upward KO's.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Breaking out of combo's as in: he likes to nair out of them? If so, just wait for the nair then **** afterwards.
I dunno how to play Falcon, but it's all just bait and punish.
Just don't sit in your shield and crap, cause that gives Peach a free grab.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Scar, You're a goober.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Falcon has always been amazing, you've just been too busy being shined blind by your own **** self.
Niko45
Smash Master
I agree.
But, I don't want to seem like I'm taking this personally or anything, in general I'd say for a player like me who is not an established pro and has yet to really do any travelling it certainly means something. I mean, that's like a top 3 (at least) CF main right there. Lets be real.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Hey Falcon board, does hitting with a weak knee stale the damage for a strong knee?
Also (not specifically Falcon related, but might as well ask) does a phantom hit do half the % that the move would have done, or half the % that the move would do if it weren't stale'd at all?
Also (not specifically Falcon related, but might as well ask) does a phantom hit do half the % that the move would have done, or half the % that the move would do if it weren't stale'd at all?
I'm really just guessing until magus clears it up for all of us, but my understanding is that a weak knee stales a strong knee and that phantom hits do half the % the move would have done, taking into account staleness.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Yeah, both of those I'd always assumed to be true, but I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1uk2OOpNLU#t=4m00s
Some combination of a phantom strong knee and a regular weak knee hit, and it did 13%, immediately after two weak knees. lol wut?
g-regulate
Smash Hero
rofl @ "moves being stale" in melee.
brawl staling is so annoying 
the knockback reduction on a stale move is so silly.
the knockback reduction on a stale move is so silly.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
The damage goes down the more you spam a move. It's not a significant part of strategy like it is for kill moves in Brawl, but it still happens.
g-regulate
Smash Hero
i wouldnt even say its a part of any strategy at all, because knock back isn't changed.
Magus420
Smash Master
Attack..Damage . Total
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B-air . 14.00 .. 14.00
D-air . 16.00 .. 30.00
D-air . 14.56 .. 44.56
B-air . 13.02 .. 57.58
D-air . 13.60 .. 71.18
N-air[2] 7.00 .. 78.18
----Darkrain KOed-----
F-air[W] 6.00 .. 84.18
F-air[W] 5.46 .. 89.64
F-air 7.88 .. 97.52 . Phantom Hit (15.77x0.50=7.88)
F-air[W] 4.56 . 102.08
Yeah, it was a phantom sweetspot then normal hit weak knee. It looks like phantom hits allow the move to hit the same target again if they get out of hitlag from the phantom while the hitbox is still out and within range of hitting them. Since phantom hits only cause the person being hit to go into hitlag and the attacker keeps going, it's pretty uncommon to see on a phantom hit, and phantoms themselves are somewhat rare.
The sweetspot knee phantomed, then he kept going and the knee had switched to a weak one by the time the hitlag from the phantom ended (6-7 frames it looks like), and you were still in range so the knee hit you again.
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B-air . 14.00 .. 14.00
D-air . 16.00 .. 30.00
D-air . 14.56 .. 44.56
B-air . 13.02 .. 57.58
D-air . 13.60 .. 71.18
N-air[2] 7.00 .. 78.18
----Darkrain KOed-----
F-air[W] 6.00 .. 84.18
F-air[W] 5.46 .. 89.64
F-air
F-air[W] 4.56 . 102.08
Yeah, it was a phantom sweetspot then normal hit weak knee. It looks like phantom hits allow the move to hit the same target again if they get out of hitlag from the phantom while the hitbox is still out and within range of hitting them. Since phantom hits only cause the person being hit to go into hitlag and the attacker keeps going, it's pretty uncommon to see on a phantom hit, and phantoms themselves are somewhat rare.
The sweetspot knee phantomed, then he kept going and the knee had switched to a weak one by the time the hitlag from the phantom ended (6-7 frames it looks like), and you were still in range so the knee hit you again.
I don't think so. the way he said it, the only way to score that sort of double hit is after hitlag has expired, and I don't think that the sweetspot knee lasts long enough to do that.