iRjOn
Smash Lord
Erm dont think this was thread to post that >.O...
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Yea other things just took priority sry guys
!But I'm back and ready for more TL, now the tables have turned, you guys gotta give me tips now.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
I rememeber when I just joined Toon Link boards couple days l8r you dissapeared.Yea other things just took priority sry guys
But I'm back and ready for more TL, now the tables have turned, you guys gotta give me tips now.
You probally dont rememeber me lol
Welcome back I SOUP I
Black_Heretic
Smash Lord
OBJECTION! Right after pools on saturday I asked you for a match or two but we ended up playing on teams against a TL/wario team. we murdered them. I went by Syx. And now I'm sad, you forgot me already
you are technically right though, we didn't play each other >.>
ON topic: Anybody have any advice in the Ice Climbers matchup? I've recently had to play a good IC and I camped like hell and avoided the grab at all costs, but dude I played was good at getting that grab in/stock off
Hold a bomb.OBJECTION! Right after pools on saturday I asked you for a match or two but we ended up playing on teams against a TL/wario team. we murdered them. I went by Syx. And now I'm sad, you forgot me already
you are technically right though, we didn't play each other >.>
ON topic: Anybody have any advice in the Ice Climbers matchup? I've recently had to play a good IC and I camped like hell and avoided the grab at all costs, but dude I played was good at getting that grab in/stock off
Make sure you hold a bomb.
1st jab - *wait for response* grab
autocancel zair - *wait for response* grab
run like an *** *foresee spotdodge* pivot grab*
If they for some reason miss a tech - wait for a response, grab.
Stand still *wait for a response* grab
Seriously
iRjOn
Smash Lord
I said some stuff on the ICs back when someone else asked...if you wanna look its not too far back.OBJECTION! Right after pools on saturday I asked you for a match or two but we ended up playing on teams against a TL/wario team. we murdered them. I went by Syx. And now I'm sad, you forgot me already
you are technically right though, we didn't play each other >.>
ON topic: Anybody have any advice in the Ice Climbers matchup? I've recently had to play a good IC and I camped like hell and avoided the grab at all costs, but dude I played was good at getting that grab in/stock off
Just rememeber dont stand still!
Black_Heretic
Smash Lord
iRjOn
Smash Lord
Really!
aww lucky!
Mine has Ants in his tunic.
D:
aww lucky!
Mine has Ants in his tunic.
D:
Black_Heretic
Smash Lord
that sounds uncomfortable, i sure hope they're not fire ants
Also, since you seem to know the matchup, should I try to kill Nana (from now on referred to as, "the ho") first?
KBM
Smash Ace
as far as grabs go, Dthrow chain grabbing is HILARIOUS because no one sees it coming. I did it to a... falco..? i think it was falco. Im sure it's doable to others at low %s. give it a try, it's fun.
*edit* to clarify, the downthrow puts them behind you, you have to pivot grab with pretty good timing to get it. worth the practice though.
*edit* to clarify, the downthrow puts them behind you, you have to pivot grab with pretty good timing to get it. worth the practice though.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
XD "the hoe"that sounds uncomfortable, i sure hope they're not fire ants
Also, since you seem to know the matchup, should I try to kill Nana (from now on referred to as, "the ho") first?
but Sadly its worse its those red cow ants(really big ants).
D:
I kno they match up pretty decently...
To answer your question no...
Only kill the other IC when the situation arises.
But dont put yourself in danger trying to kill the second IC.
If they are acctually separated at 80ish% sure try to safely kill the second one.
Takes alotta pressure off of you.
But a good IC will try to make sure the 2nd IC will not die.
That is why I say no because the effort you just used to kill the 2nd IC coulda been used for the main IC.
So its just situational when the moment arises I believe you can make the "smart" choice.
wanna know anymore before I hit the hay?
If I get off before you answer I'll answer it later today.
chaos11011
Smash Lord
When the IC is recovering low hit the main IC with a prodgectail and there dead.that sounds uncomfortable, i sure hope they're not fire ants
Also, since you seem to know the matchup, should I try to kill Nana (from now on referred to as, "the ho") first?
Also the IC's b up when nana is getting slung up it could damage you.
Also iRjOn that person you gave advice was me.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
Yes chaos, Yes it was
Santi got another Question
Got any advise against Wolf?
Santi got another Question
Got any advise against Wolf?
I dont play too many good wolfs but I got a friend who is decent at it(but still is a n00b at the game cuz he doesnt own it but has his good days sometimes). Since he knows how I play, see VG matches on youtube for details, he doesnt hold back on the reflector or the gun. What I do is actually go into pressure game mode and not use my projectiles as much or as quickly but still use them to a decently large amount(which is the way I like it). It throws him off and I rarely get hit by a reflected projectile. wolfs weak points are his head when he is reflecting and right infront of him due to our bomb's blast radius. Careul of his Bair, aparentyl Wolfs Bair game is pretty good like ours. If he spams his gun, play it safe and think of a plan to get past the shots and punish. Bair is your friend and Zair too. If wolf is a reflector freak then you can punish him anyway you want. when you get him off the ledge, chain the ledge, you and Z-tilt the ledge to regain your invincibility frames if he come with in range of hiting you and knocking you off and him gaining the ledge.
I think that is it... any thing I'm missing guys? If so feel free to add or correct me if i didnt say something right.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
Preciate it Bomber
KBM
Smash Ace
Hey irjon, i'll add to what bomber said. Don't get caught with landing lag. The opponent's landing lag is probably Wolf's favorite thing ever; it's a free forward smash which hits from a mile away. So basically what you'll wanna do is always save your second jump and always quickdraw when you land. I'm not sure how the arrow fares against Wolf's forward smash, but it probably just cancels him out... which is better than getting hit. If you're in the lead and Wolf decides to be a spammy ******* (which he will because he's Wolf), just stand there. Toon Link's Hylian Shield will stop his blaster shots and you wont have to worry about him running in at your L-shield to grab you or whatever. If he short hops into blaster spam, try to duck it. Wolfs are begging you to let them punish you with forward smash, so dont let them.
A good wolf will beat your bair with his bair. Sorry, but his is faster. I think.
If you L-shield his forward smash, always shield grab; the knockback on his forward smash will put you out of range for anything else. Unless you were facing the direction opposite Wolf when he fsmashed you, then you can tap-jump out of shield into Bair-combo ****... if you're close enough. that'll be your call.
Don't forget Wolf has the craps for a recovery. it has good priority but goes almost nowhere, 9 times outta 10 they use the smash B to recover so either edgehog or get ready to punish him if he's going to land on the stage.
That's a lot, wow.
A good wolf will beat your bair with his bair. Sorry, but his is faster. I think.
If you L-shield his forward smash, always shield grab; the knockback on his forward smash will put you out of range for anything else. Unless you were facing the direction opposite Wolf when he fsmashed you, then you can tap-jump out of shield into Bair-combo ****... if you're close enough. that'll be your call.
Don't forget Wolf has the craps for a recovery. it has good priority but goes almost nowhere, 9 times outta 10 they use the smash B to recover so either edgehog or get ready to punish him if he's going to land on the stage.
That's a lot, wow.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
Wolf eats the arrows when he fsmashes cause hes fat
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His bair is the same speed just slightly better range
Thanx for the info I appreciate it.
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His bair is the same speed just slightly better range
Thanx for the info I appreciate it.
KBM
Smash Ace
wow, that's gay.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Wolf isnt actually that hard for TL. Falco is the one that u should worry about.
His bair OWNS our bair range-wise. But speed is about the same although I'd give Wolf the edge.Wolf eats the arrows when he fsmashes cause hes fat
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His bair is the same speed just slightly better range
Thanx for the info I appreciate it.
I think it outranges just about everything except for fair or 2nd hit of fsmash and zair actually.
0niLink
Smash Rookie
I have a quit question, I have a friend who has an extremely annoying Snake. If I get close, he spams side tilts then when I'm far he constantly uses the side B homing rocket thing, rinse and repeat.
I can get past the missile most of the time, but as soon as I get close he uses his tilts which is faster then any of my attacks. Help please =/
I can get past the missile most of the time, but as soon as I get close he uses his tilts which is faster then any of my attacks. Help please =/
chaos11011
Smash Lord
When he spams you spam when afar use the arrow,and boomarang,and bomb.Air dodge or roll away from the missle.When close jump above him and dair.(when he is tilting)
Thats all I got so far
Thats all I got so far
KBM
Smash Ace
woah woah woah woah woah woah, i dont think the word "dair" needs to be in any sentence giving advice unless the words "dont" and "use" are immediately preceding it...
look, my best friend mains snake and he's really good so here's some pointers.
Don't be afraid of grenades. They will always take 4 seconds to explode, and Snake can only have 2 out. They're more of a mindgame than anything. If you shield one, pick it up and throw it back.. unless your friend knows how to strip grenades off of you, then dont even bother touching the **** things.
Snake's side tilt is broken and tough to get around because of the range. Air dodge into Zair is good for this if you know it's coming. short hop nair into quickdraw is also annoying for snakes.
Snake's smash B missile is the poops and you're lucky he's using that garbage. Just jump around it or roll or whatever, shoot some stuff etc.
The guy above me said to spam arrow and boomerang, but that's not a good idea against Snake really. If a Snake stands there and holds the A button, that is, spams jabs, it will 100% always stop your arrows and boomerangs at no cost to Snake. Perhaps your friend does not know this. So really the only time arrows and boomerangs are good are for when Snake is too far for nairs or bairs and is also in the air (this is not often), or when he's using the missile (this too should not be often, but i guess your friend likes it). Bombs are pretty good i guess.
You can bair combo Snake up to like, 70% if you know what you're doin, so look for opportunities to do that.
So yeah, wall of text, but there ya go. Snakes are hard to beat so you gotta be careful. Take your time and space properly with Zair and Nair. Mix it up between the two so he doesn't know which is coming.
look, my best friend mains snake and he's really good so here's some pointers.
Don't be afraid of grenades. They will always take 4 seconds to explode, and Snake can only have 2 out. They're more of a mindgame than anything. If you shield one, pick it up and throw it back.. unless your friend knows how to strip grenades off of you, then dont even bother touching the **** things.
Snake's side tilt is broken and tough to get around because of the range. Air dodge into Zair is good for this if you know it's coming. short hop nair into quickdraw is also annoying for snakes.
Snake's smash B missile is the poops and you're lucky he's using that garbage. Just jump around it or roll or whatever, shoot some stuff etc.
The guy above me said to spam arrow and boomerang, but that's not a good idea against Snake really. If a Snake stands there and holds the A button, that is, spams jabs, it will 100% always stop your arrows and boomerangs at no cost to Snake. Perhaps your friend does not know this. So really the only time arrows and boomerangs are good are for when Snake is too far for nairs or bairs and is also in the air (this is not often), or when he's using the missile (this too should not be often, but i guess your friend likes it). Bombs are pretty good i guess.
You can bair combo Snake up to like, 70% if you know what you're doin, so look for opportunities to do that.
So yeah, wall of text, but there ya go. Snakes are hard to beat so you gotta be careful. Take your time and space properly with Zair and Nair. Mix it up between the two so he doesn't know which is coming.
Santi
Smash Lord
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Wow. Thanks guy for helping out and answering a lot of these questions.
I just woke up o_O So it's nice to have alot of these questions already broken down and taken care of when I get up.
I just woke up o_O So it's nice to have alot of these questions already broken down and taken care of when I get up.
I LOVE YOUHah, whenever I fight ice climbers I have an addiction for killing nana. She pisses me off. I don't know why...I just hate her.
QUIVO
Smash Master
Dair is actually pretty good if you use it well. I was using them a good deal vs Razer last night.
Airdodge to zair against ftilt would have to be spaced well, otherwise you're airdodging into ftilt. You're both moving at each other, so chances are he can hit you if you're not careful.
Spamming jab against projectiles as snake is dumb. No smart snake would do that. First off it leaves them vulnerable, and bombs counter that.
Airdodge to zair against ftilt would have to be spaced well, otherwise you're airdodging into ftilt. You're both moving at each other, so chances are he can hit you if you're not careful.
Spamming jab against projectiles as snake is dumb. No smart snake would do that. First off it leaves them vulnerable, and bombs counter that.
QUIVO
Smash Master
lol, curly mustace ftw!! too pringles
Santi
Smash Lord
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Razer is so ****.
0niLink
Smash Rookie
I got a video, point out everything I'm doing wrong, which will probably be everything.
http://www.justin.tv/clip/cf06c086f865cde3
http://www.justin.tv/clip/cf06c086f865cde3
0niLink
Smash Rookie
Oh and another thing you will probably think isn't right is that I use tilt jump.
KBM
Smash Ace
santi uses tap jump too :S
and oh, it's 6 seconds, are you sure? that seems like an awfully long time. good to know though.
and oh, it's 6 seconds, are you sure? that seems like an awfully long time. good to know though.
Korpocalypse
Smash Journeyman
FALCO HAS A STANDING CHAINGRAB
spread that noone seems to know that and I haven't seen it anywhere
On a related note:
in one video I saw a tl with a bomb jump off the stage, then turn around and throw the bomb. In throwing the bomb, he reversed his momentum. it was like when ur falco and you hit left JUST after firing a mid-air laser and u turn around and switch momentum. How do you do that with the bomb?
spread that noone seems to know that and I haven't seen it anywhere
On a related note:
in one video I saw a tl with a bomb jump off the stage, then turn around and throw the bomb. In throwing the bomb, he reversed his momentum. it was like when ur falco and you hit left JUST after firing a mid-air laser and u turn around and switch momentum. How do you do that with the bomb?
o_O
Whoever you're addressing, this is like NO NO NO.
TL's roll sucks. Heck, Marth has an okay roll and you don't see decent Marths whoring it out, so TL should like...almost roll only once or twice in a match.
Bthrow to ledgeguard/hog, spiking is dangerous. You can try, but the risk so outweigh the rewards. Especially since you just work your *** to get them to the edge for the kill and now you're throwing your life away? No, don't do that! =(
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