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Yes. Capcom actually took suggestions from pros on balancing out Super Turbo for the upcoming HD Remix, and took painstaking efforts to boost up other characters without completely nerfing the top tiers.
God forbid we try to find competitive value in a fun game.
Amen to that.
Meta-Kirby wins the thread.
so...
I agree and still wonder why he 'balanced' it out. It was the competitive melee scene that caused melee to sale so much as it did. I guess he never thought about how competitive smashers work, some people have fun in a competitive since even when they lose but I guess he expected casuals to buy more of the game then competitive. Don't get me wrong i'm not trying to be biased in any since, but I feel kinda jaded by sakurais non fighting spirit.
QFT .
Lavis, I love you
It is. So?
Melee's physics are what made it deep, not its advanced techniques. Sure, those contributed, a lot, but in the end, it's the physics engine which allows for a game that fosters competitive play and doesn't end up heavily favoring the gayer camper. We're not so much pissed about the lack of wavedashing, but simply about some rediculously ******** stuff like camping being so overpowered as to be the only viable strategy.Meta-Kirby wins the thread.
The reality is, the competitive scene did itself in. If you want to get melodramatic about it, let's go back to our roots. Remember the old SSB 64? Sure you do. Where it all began. Melee was simply supposed to be an extension of that. But it became something the creator never intended it to be, and in keeping with our melodrama, let's say that Sakurai took his game back. And you guys are all pissed off because your legs have been taken out from under you, and you can't use your precious "advanced techniques" to get a leg up anymore. The playing field's been leveled, and you don't like it. I got your advanced techniques right here, buddy. It's called the right moves, at the right time....and a little bit of edgeguarding.
Have you been reading my posts in this thread? :3
Nintendo doesn't get more money from you playing a game over and over again. They do however get more money for making a new game.
That's a huge difference. The Starcraft competitive scene is much, much bigger than SSB and is a more popular game in general. The game itself is built from the groundup considering multiplayer competition. SSB was never built that way. It was built for parties. And for Starcraft 2, for multiplayer balance testing, they are bringing in top pros to test and help them out with the balancing. I doubt Sakurai even balance tested 1v1 without items, because he couldn't imagine why anyone would play the game any other way than with items and preferably with 4 people on Rumble Falls. So his answer to the game being too campy by projectile users would be to "pick up the Franklin Badge".
^ Diamond in the rough.
That strikes me as a grossly inaccurate hyper generalization of what I've been saying. This whole think strikes me as more hogwash to justify that there are "true fans." This is no different from "we've been reading for years, they OWE IT to us to give us yellow spandex in the X-men movie."
It's even not the fact that we've been "reading" it for all these years--it's the mere fact that I completely blew fifty bucks on a half-rate game expecting more. I speak honestly when I say I wish I hadn't bought Brawl, or had at least pirated it. Sakurai doesn't deserve my money.
The unfortunate truth, nintendo only wants money and doesn't care how long you play a game.
Then go play Melee.
I would have been justified in pirating it. Your point is?
Seeing as how justifying that basically casts you in the role of someone who cares only about self entitlement...?
It's devil's advocate time!
Because brawl way of camping doesn't need much reading of your opponent or technical aspect of the game, therefore we can consider it being less skillfull than it's melee counterpart. While on melee you still had to keep on your toes if your opponent were to attack you, on brawl you cover all the stuff with pressing one button, aka shield. And all the while retaining the advantage when being predictable because of the lack of shieldstun.
To us, competitive play IS fun. That's why people are making such a big deal of this.
I skipped quite a few posts but yours seemed to contain the issue I want to address.Meta-Kirby wins the thread.
The reality is, the competitive scene did itself in. If you want to get melodramatic about it, let's go back to our roots. Remember the old SSB 64? Sure you do. Where it all began. Melee was simply supposed to be an extension of that. But it became something the creator never intended it to be, and in keeping with our melodrama, let's say that Sakurai took his game back. And you guys are all pissed off because your legs have been taken out from under you, and you can't use your precious "advanced techniques" to get a leg up anymore. The playing field's been leveled, and you don't like it. I got your advanced techniques right here, buddy. It's called the right moves, at the right time....and a little bit of edgeguarding.
Pink cocked ***got at work.
