[SA] Valhalla Smash Tournament Thread. Valhalla resumes October 1st!

[Nova]

Timetable added since I forgot.

Edit: I'm still somewhat awake and almost finished work.
I'll show up afterall lul.

So I'll start Brawl Doubles around 12:30pm to 1:00pm, all the rest run from there.

Edit 2: Doubt I'll enter anything but doubles though.
Since it requires little effort and my eyeeeees.
I'll just watch singles & give friendlies yus.

 

[wh1te5had0w]

Er, what time are people going to go?

and nova COME NOW i haven't vsed you in a while

 

[Nova]

I'm already here.
most people show from 11:30 to 12:00.

 

[wh1te5had0w]

ok then i'll come now

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Thanks for organizing everything Nova.

 

[Eagle]

Must be pretty boring now since I didn't come... riiiiiight? :D

 

[Grim Tuesday]

No, it was boring because every set had a Meta Knight in it.

 

[Eagle]

You could argue it was because I wasn't there to DK it up.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yeah, I sometimes forget that DK perfectly counters Meta Knight.

Silly me.

 

[Ghostbone]

Can we ban Smashville?

That stage is the gayest stage in the history of gayest stages.

Besides Picto.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Hybrid Full Stage List Striking solves all problems.

 

[Ghostbone]

Hybrid Full Stage List Striking solves all problems.

That it does, unfortunately smashers are resistant to change for whatever reason. (like how people still reject having two stage bans and instead just want Brinstar and RC banned...)

 

[Grim Tuesday]

StreetGeek is so much easier, I actually have to think about my counter-picks at Val.

 

[Ghostbone]

StreetGeek is so much easier, I actually have to think about my counter-picks at Val.

lol

Counter-picks in dittos.

 

[Ant1]

My counter picks involves frigate orpheon, frigate orpheon and frigate orpheon.

 

[Nova]

Ok I slept a little, feel a tad better.

Brawl Singles:
1: Ghost (MK/Diddy/G&W)
2: Grim (MK)
3: W150 (Olimar)
4: Aces (MK)
5: Hype (Snake/G&W)
5: Lespar (Wario)
7: Named (Snake)
7: (Insert name) (Pikachu)

Before the next Valhalla there will be a couple of changes to the Brawl rules due to concerns & comparisons that have been made to me and I've discussed them with the other TO's.

Melee wasn't ran due to lack of time, since Brawl seemed to last a long time despite low attendance.
Brawl Doubles I've forgotten about, it'll come back to me eventually.

 

[Eagle]

When I said DK I just meant I'd add more variety to the sets.

That's an interesting turn-out. Also, you didn't enter, Nova?

 

[Nova]

Nope, too tired and couldn't be effed.

As soon as I get SG's results from Jamage I'll put up the statistical rankings (there are not the power rankings and ONLY take tournament results into account).

 

[Ghostbone]

Before the next Valhalla there will be a couple of changes to the Brawl rules due to concerns & comparisons that have been made to me and I've discussed them with the other TO's.

lol you put in scrooging rules I'll just dair camp all day

 

[Nova]

25 ledge grab limit on time out (MK) = loss is already confirmed, lol.
Dair is much more bearable and much more used.

Other possible rule changes:
Pictochat ban possible, need to speak to Chris about it.
Wobbling will be banned.
KJ, RC & Brinstar added to Melee CPs, this and the above rule don't mean much though since Melee is likely to only be major at Reloaded.
Think that's about it.

 

[Jamage]

25 ledge grab limit on time out (MK) = loss is already confirmed, lol.
Dair is much more bearable and much more used.

Other possible rule changes:
Pictochat ban possible, need to speak to Chris about it.
Wobbling will be banned.
KJ, RC & Brinstar added to Melee CPs, this and the above rule don't mean much though since Melee is likely to only be major at Reloaded.
Think that's about it.

Ill probly add all those to the SG rules aswell, need to try and makes the 2 rulesets very similar so not to confuse people.

 

[Ghostbone]

25 ledge grab limit on time out (MK) = loss is already confirmed, lol.

As if that will make a difference, I doubt Grim or I ever go over 25 ledge grabs when playing campy :/ MK has too many options for stalling, I would suggest we ban him except that would weaken us as a state.

Pictochat ban possible, need to speak to Chris about it.

Make it happen.

 

[Nova]

Grim would have exceeded 50 against Hype, I counted 27 while I was standing there, lol. Hype not knowing how to counter it (if at all) simply made it easier - the LGR will severely restrict the way he can "camp".

It's worked to limit his broken ledge game in other states with far better MK's and with ones very similar (ILAG, for example) so I'm not worried about any of MK's other strategies, as I discussed with Chris quite a while back.
MK is the only character this will ever apply to.

As for SG, that's soley up to you Jamie. ^_^

 

[Grim Tuesday]

My counter picks involves frigate orpheon, frigate orpheon and frigate orpheon.

25 ledge grab limit on time out (MK) = loss is already confirmed, lol.
Dair is much more bearable and much more used.

It won't stop me, but whatever helps you sleep at night

Pictochat ban possible, need to speak to Chris about it.

+1 Support

Wobbling will be banned.

Nova, we need to talk.

KJ, RC & Brinstar added to Melee CPs, this and the above rule don't mean much though since Melee is likely to only be major at Reloaded.

Fine with me.

Grim would have exceeded 50 against Hype, I counted 27 while I was standing there, lol. Hype not knowing how to counter it (if at all) simply made it easier - the LGR will severely restrict the way he can "camp".

I only went over 25 because I knew that I could .

MK is the only character this will ever apply to.

Good. I suggest you make it only apply to MK as well, Jamie.

 

[Ghostbone]

IIRC he would have won that match without planking anyway, he was just purposely being gay xD

 

[Grim Tuesday]

IIRC he would have won that match without planking anyway, he was just purposely being gay xD

Exactly.

I have to say, this is the first time I have ever been counter-picked to Smashville. I hope Hype has learnt his lesson.

 

[Nova]

I'll be clear, the "only" thing I aim to stop is MK camping with his known to be ridiculous ledge games.
I don't care about d-air camping or evasive strategies, none of them are as broken as the ledge camping, which in all other states has a rule against (for quite some time).

We don't need to talk about wobbling either, it's out.
I've had the better Melee players both suggest it should be banned (it must have been used on them, since they brought it up) and every state that plays Melee in Aus has a ban on it.
From the sounds of it; SG sounds like it's banning it too. *Shrugs*

 

[Grim Tuesday]

"The better Melee players", I assume you're referring to Kizmmit? I didn't Wobble him, even in tournament because I knew he would whine about it.

People who I know support Wobbling:
Myself
Hybrid
Ghostbone
W150
2SXC
Splice

Surrendering to conformity is a terrible way to make rule-sets. I bet that one or two scrubby states added the rule, and then all the other states just used the same reasoning you did.

 

[Nova]

I'm certain he said you did wobble him.

Regardless of the reasons, I've explained why/how the majority of Valhalla/Reloaded rules work, so it's banned at future events, including Reloaded.

SG, which have far more tournaments (especially Melee) is up to Jamage regarding wobbling.

 

[Ghostbone]

Your reasoning is

"Because I say so"

-_-

 

[Grim Tuesday]

It'd be great if you could put your reasoning for banning Wobbling in the rule-set, so players who come from interstate know that you had the perfectly valid reasoning of "la la la I'm not listening".

EDIT: Epicly Ninja'd by Ghost.

 

[Nova]

The players that have come to SA in the past from interstate all support it, so I wouldn't have that issue. ^_^

Nor would they care, lol.

 

[Ghostbone]

Well if they don't care then why ban it in the first place?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sorry, I should've made the point of my post clearer, Nova:

Any rule-set change needs to be discrete, enforceable (Wobbling falls into both of these categories) and warranted.

If you can't prove that a Wobbling ban is warranted, you might as well be banning Fox and Final Destination as well.

 

[Nova]

They don't care for the reason why it's banned.

That was a preposterously obvious question which only serves to keep this discussion ongoing.
It's out, you'll both live - when I have a lot more people telling me it shouldn't be as opposed to it should be, it'll be reconsidered.

Edit: Popularity + Competitiveness.
It will never be "just" one, and likely always tipped in the formers favor.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Who is telling you that is should be?

Cause I posted that list earlier of people who I *know* support it.

Splice supports it as well *adds to list*.

 

[Nova]

If you're adding interstaters to that list you're at one massive disadvantage, lol.

It's banned - end.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292433

 

[Nova]

*Ignores*

If either you or Ghost feel so strongly about certain issues, nobody is stopping either of you from hosting tournaments yourselves - in fact it'd be beneficial.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I already am hosting a tournament myself, which you apparently have the right to override any rule on without reason.