Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | J]

I don't get the hoopla over me self-meta'ing myself w.r.t. Zen. Nor is it scummy, its just poor defense at best.

Soupa, can you explain what exactly you like of No Brain's case?

 

[#HBC | J]

Coming in to say that's not true. It's exactly that sarcasm that made the post sound so faked and non-chalant. You don't have to think that lowly of me that I'd take that serious ;_;

I'll get to the rest later. I'm still studying for a chemistry test and a few others coming up, so I'll be monitoring but not posting for the next few hours.

To be fair, most of my posts are extremely fake because I am restricted to play a way I hate with this posting restriction. I'm not used to having to treat people like dirt.

Makes sense now don't it?

 

[Jim Morrison]

@Mod: Do you find it humorous that people call me No Brain because I don't

 

[The Account With No Name]

Hydra fail

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't get the hoopla over me self-meta'ing myself w.r.t. Zen. Nor is it scummy, its just poor defense at best.

Soupa, can you explain what exactly you like of No Brain's case?

Then why do it? If you admit that it's poor defense then why succumb to it. It's scummy as **** and you should know better.

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: Wow bad wording: Fake as in this agression/meanness.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then why do it? If you admit that it's poor defense then why succumb to it. It's scummy as **** and you should know better.

It's not scummy as **** yet you are trying to make it seem as such.

I self-meta with Zen specifically and only him in almost every game we are in together. I see nothing out of the ordinary with this game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

To be fair, most of my posts are extremely fake because I am restricted to play a way I hate with this posting restriction. I'm not used to having to treat people like dirt.

Makes sense now don't it?

Vo te: J

 

[#HBC | J]

How does that get a vote for explaining that the attitude in most my posts are fake because of a restriction...? Out of all my posts to vote me, you picked the weirdest one.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeeeeeah not like this. Don't like. You're scum.

Soupa, explain to me how you know what Zen is talking about here. Since it's not my reads that are bothering you, but this post in particular gives you enlightenment.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

See no. You literally left your options open for every single player. You don't give a single direct stance. Everyone is null/leaning.

glg could be scum
swiss is leaning town
i want soupa to be town
zapp i like regardless of how they are
allegory leaning

All of your options are left open.

I know town J by now would have some harder stances. Your line of questioning is also fake. Why are you asking Swiss who he would lynch out of TAWWN and Zapp if he has town reads on both of them and you have town/null reads on them?

Ngl, I kinda like this post.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ngl, I kinda like the J hate. Consider this half on board with the wagon, but still in discontent with S Tier.

S Tier I will not answer one question you have regarding that sentence.

 

[zapp brannigan]

No Name, I like your case on J but I have a different perspective in seeing it, it's not about the reads. #585 from S-tier.



Self-meta. Nasty.

Here's something. Zen seems to misrepresent people especially those he hydra's with. I find J saying that LEGIT because Zen of all people SHOULD know how J operates. Keep that in mind. And yes he has done the same to me.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (2) Swiss, S-Tier
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J (2) TAWNN, Soup
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, AM, Dabuz
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, Zapp, Spidermang, J
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[The Account With No Name]

Yeeeeeah not like this. Don't like. You're scum.

S-T, can you explain what you mean "not like this" here? Do you mean what J is using as his self-meta does not apply?

 

[Dabuz]

Zap, what do you think of Swiss right now? (Sorry if you already answered this somewhere, if so I missed the post)

Looking at GLG's 217 now, I hate how JTB asked GLG to express his opinion of S-Tier's claim, and then GLG votes S-Tier right after. It looks weird for both of them. JTB, is there any reason you asked GLG in particular about his opinion on S-Tier's claim?

Is there anyone who has played with GLG and can tell me his experience/ skill level?

Reasoning for glg is his vote post which should be obvious. There is always reason for everything I do dabuz which is something you'll have to learn about me. Spontaneity is one of my key tools. Overtime, scum learn to hide behind commonalities that town plays by. When people are confronted with events outside these commonalities, that's when their true character/intentions are revealed best, when they have to act on the fly, unable to rely on prelaid foundations to hold them up. My claim to scumglg was like cheese to mouse.
What purpose does your first question serve?

You presupposing in your second question. That would be as if I were to ask you "you like men why?" You never said such a thing so I could not ask you why. Even if I were to assume it based on your actions.
ok

Die Pile (ie where scum resides)
5. JTB
1. Spidermang (Raz/Xonar)
8. giraffelasergun
2. dtjglyphmoney
10. J
9. Dabunz


Live Pile (ie who scum will be night killing.)
13. Swiss
3. Gorf's Fav Hydra Account/AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry)
4. The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4)
6. Soup~
7. Allegory
11. Zapp Brannigan
12. S-Tier (Seph/Zen)

I am out for now. No name could possibly move. Possibly. I like this for now though. I'll chime in here and there, but at this point I am ready for the day end, so I will mostly be waiting for that. If Glyph and J post their way out (or into staying in) the die pile, we will be in a good situation.

Look at your 295 please. You say you will chime in rarely, but otherwise are ready for the day to end. (Want the day to end early on D1? Red flag.) You will chime in rarely because you are sold on your own list, that is an excuse to not be involved for the rest of the day's scum-hunting.

How so? Do you disagree with the reasoning. If so point me to what you disagree with and why.

I don't see how you got him as scum from the reasons listed in your 392, you called out a lot of bad play and reasoning, but WHERE is his scum motivation?

I missed answering this. It was neither of these. They were my scum picks in order of scummy. By "our" lynch pool, I was referring to Zen and Seph.

This order is now glg > J > JTB > Glyph > Spidey.

Vote: glg

I read the post you are referring to wrong last night :/"

S-Tier claiming at that moment was null for me and I don't see how you could get anything else from it. I felt GLG was reaching pretty hard and didn't actually explain why it's scummy for S-tier to claim other than "it's silly to claim right off the bat and I don't trust people."

I like this.

This was the post I was looking for before I placed my vote on you. When you said you couldn't give answer my question about Zapp's vote on you yet, I figured that you were attempting to extract some sort of information from him before outing a read. But you hadn't asked Zapp anything at all and was just letting things play out. It's called distancing and if either of you flip scum later on, I will immediately look to the other as their scummate.

I had a plan with Zap (Well, Ran) to figure out his intentions, but once the other Hydra head posted it messed up my plan.

dabuz, what is your read on Zapp now? Or are you not able to answer me yet? I didn't see any mention of him in your catch-up post, so I figure you have something now.

Right now I have Zap as town, I have seen him asking a lot of questions, being active, giving open, honest opinions, and scum-hunting. I can get specific quotes to better explain my read of him if you want.

Yes. Why do you ask? The only one you disagree with is JTB. Speaking of which, what is your reasoning for him being town?

I don't see any reason to suspect him as scum so far. The only point I recognize as having some merit is the call-out of him being sheepy. However, every game I've played with JTB he has been somewhat sheepy and I have ML'd him because of it in the past so I take it as a null tell. I like his last post a lot which showed him actually going into things.

Your scum-list seems too....easy for my tastes Zenny. You have GLG which is an easy one to lynch then Me/Glyph which are the inactives then there is JTB which you are trying to substantiate a majority of your read on him based around meta/a feeling that his RVS entrance was fake (really?) and Spidey which you've held onto since the beginning of the game yet have not done much more with delving into it.

What's your opinion on Allegory?

"easy" doesn't have anything to do with accuracy. Most of the people who have been actively posting are town. So it's both easy and accurate to assume that scum is within the nulls.

None of what you said explains why you have a town read on JTB, just a null read.

Town on Allegory.

This makes S-Tier look better and J look worse to me.

Ah true my bad.
Do you feel this way about Swiss as well? His reads have come to be the same as mine other than Allegory. I find it odd that you HAVENT gotten the town reads. I feel you're trying to keep options open. Like how do you not have an obv town read on Zapp, AM, and Soup by now.

Why should J have an obvious town read? People see things differently.

While you are barking up the wrong tree, I'm going to go find scum. Kay thanks.

Time to get to work on looking more in-depth into Allegory.

Hmph, well I just re-read Allegory and couldn't find exactly what was giving me the bad vibes surrounding him. The post that makes me wanna pressure him more is the one where he says that he is alright to be pressured. Most of his posts just come off cautious and not really full-gung-ho about what he is doing. He is in the background and hasn't really moved his vote from TAWNN, but the thing I thought he hadn't been doing he actually has been doing. (I thought originally he hadn't been pressuring him but he has also been pressuring others while remaining consistent with his TAWNN suspicion)

I'm not comfortable with having my vote on him.

Unvote

Swiss, what was it you were seeing that made you dislike Allegory?

Going to look at the popular wagons now (GLG/S-Tier) to see my opinion on where I may go. I also plan to look at TAWNN again.

I REALLY hate this, you say you have Allegory has scum lean, but now when you look at him again, you can't find why you thought that. Such a back pedal and now your scum lean appears so fake to me.

FOS: J

It's not scummy as **** yet you are trying to make it seem as such.

I self-meta with Zen specifically and only him in almost every game we are in together. I see nothing out of the ordinary with this game.

Haha, this reminds me of S-Tier's 543 where he explains how scum like to hide behind town commonalities.

 

[Swiss]

How does that get a vote for explaining that the attitude in most my posts are fake because of a restriction...? Out of all my posts to vote me, you picked the weirdest one.

This is grimy.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soupa, explain to me how you know what Zen is talking about here. Since it's not my reads that are bothering you, but this post in particular gives you enlightenment.

It's the fact that you're using excuses like your restriction and self-meta that bothers me, It seems like a cop-out in every instance and I see no reason to do it, only to deflect pressure.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Zen, what is your current read on JTB considering his latest posts.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Man those FOOL votes.

J if you break your restriction is the punishment announced in public?

 

[#HBC | J]

No clue at all. I'll double check with the mod.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm re-reading the game and gaining some new reads because of it but I wanted to quick-comment on two things really quickly.

1.) W.r.t. Hydra conflict in the beginning of the game, I have to say that without a doubt that if Zen/Myself were in our usual hydra we would never tell the truth about who is posting because we have both learned how to mask as each other. I mean for other hydras this may not be as easy and Zen and I have had practice but still it's not the hardest thing to just lie as to who posted what and shoot your partner a PM stating what you have done.

2.) Soupa, you say self-meta is a scummy/bad reasoning huh? Hypocrite. I've found at least 2 examples of you self-meta'ing and I'm only on pg 6. And yes, you've used it as a defense for your actions as well. I'll bring them up in my post I'm working on.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

2.) Soupa, you say self-meta is a scummy/bad reasoning huh? Hypocrite. I've found at least 2 examples of you self-meta'ing and I'm only on pg 6. And yes, you've used it as a defense for your actions as well. I'll bring them up in my post I'm working on.

I can already tell which parts you're going to bring up and guess what they're not the same context as this.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I'm leaving tomorrow for a trip and currently packing but there are some things that I wanted to squeeze in before I leave.


I'm liking S-tier more right now, I still don't like his post one claim. I understand it is a Gambit and everything, but it doesn't seem like the right gambit. I don't think he's still the play today but I'm still watching him.

I do however, think that Allegory and Zapp need to be looked at more in detail. I've been doing some rereading and Allegory's case on TAWNN looks really opportunistic and seems too reaching for the posts Allegory was basing the posts off. For instance, 53 and 66 both read to me as overly aggressive for the joke posts that TAWNN was making at the time. Allegory's later vote on TAWNN didn't look good either.

AM, Glyph, TAWNN, and JTB: Could I get your opinion on this post please?

K. This game is a cluster **** of weirdness atm. Ran you need to tone down the question asking, let others get a word in for a bit. I literally don't have a scum read atm, just a stack of Town ones.

Soup I think your case on Zen is reaching hardcore.

I'll address any questions/concerns you guys have in my post later tonight, but for now I really need to get ready to leave tomorrow.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I have no qualms with it O.o

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

No Name's response to my pressure seems sincere. What this statement connotes is that Guus either had a true town read on Soup~ and therefore cannot be mafia. Or he didn't, he bs'd it, and he's scum. So how do you assess the intent. How do you play mafia.

Logically speaking there is no reason to believe Guus at all. Logic tells you that Guus is the liar that bs'd the read. Logic is the element that tells us there is no reason for Guus to believe Guus, if he wasn't Guus. But as this game shows, Guus isn't using logic to assign tells on other players. Justification on S-Tier town read and a dabu scum lean are extremely bare and lacking. Hahaha did I use the word justification? Hahahaha.

What about John? Who is John through this entire interaction? John is the guy who doesn't agree with Guus that Soup~ is a town read or the idea that Soup~ should be marked by the slot as being a town read so early in the game. John is also a really convenient scapegoat for Guus. Guus can say, John disagreed with me on Soup and then start throwing down hot town reads like he's Santa Clause giving presents out to kids on Christmas while John is the Grinch who shoots down those reads like a bad ***. So while Guus comes out and hams his Tiger Woods apology speech, where is John? Lol who cares about John. We have Guus and he makes us cry when we read his explanation. Would Guus be the time to pull this type of con? No way. Must be town.

No Name isn't the type of slot that you expect to exert legitimate pressure on a given slot or to be a threat to anyone. It's the slot that you hope will trickle down the semblance of a town tell and then treat it as town 4 lyfe. It is a slot that scum doesn't want to lynch, it's a slot that they want to buddy. It is also a slot that town doesn't find a huge imperative to lynch, because it's a slot that doesn't seem threatening and seems to be thinking about who to lynch which coincidentally always seems to easy to push slots.

And yes, this needs to be contextualized for the sake of my own sanity. Because I am legitimately interested in how we arrived at this read. No Name won't be lynched today because our guts want to lay that hydra down as town. Right? Or am I the only one who is doing this slot on gut. >_>

Unvote No Name

Am currently at page 10 on re-read. Am tempting to go back and repeat reading from page 7 onwards since a large part of my thoughts were occupied by Spidermang scum and it prevented me from having the patience of dealing with reading S-Tier. Especially after reading through Zapp. Spidermang-Zapp-S-Tier. The most ungodly combination of sequential reads to have to deal with on trying to read intent.

VOTE: SPIDERMANG

Going to answer questions, finish reading, go over reads, and then share them. Maybe mix and match at times. Spidermang is totally mafia though.

 

[S-Tier]

Yo Acro answer my questions when you can.

 

[S-Tier]

Here's something. Zen seems to misrepresent people especially those he hydra's with. I find J saying that LEGIT because Zen of all people SHOULD know how J operates. Keep that in mind. And yes he has done the same to me.

O_O what the hell is wrong with you O_O

S-T, can you explain what you mean "not like this" here? Do you mean what J is using as his self-meta does not apply?

Yes.

Zen [S-tier], what is your current read on JTB considering his latest posts.

Vote: JTB

J if you break your restriction is the punishment announced in public?

Why are you so concerned with this? Do you really not believe him?

Why do I feel Ryker gave J that role on purpose.

 

[S-Tier]

Dabuz

Look at your 295 please. You say you will chime in rarely, but otherwise are ready for the day to end. (Want the day to end early on D1? Red flag.) You will chime in rarely because you are sold on your own list, that is an excuse to not be involved for the rest of the day's scum-hunting.

Yes it's fine for you to assume that I'm using it as an excuse to not post, but it's not fine for you to ask me why I'm doing it since you're the one drawing such a conclusion. You get?

By the way that's clearly not the case anyway seeing as I have been posting.

I don't see how you got him as scum from the reasons listed in your 392, you called out a lot of bad play and reasoning, but WHERE is his scum motivation?

This kind of troubles me because you just named the same things in your post:

Looking at GLG's 217 now, I hate how JTB asked GLG to express his opinion of S-Tier's claim, and then GLG votes S-Tier right after. It looks weird for both of them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTB

S-Tier claiming at that moment was null for me and I don't see how you could get anything else from it. I felt GLG was reaching pretty hard and didn't actually explain why it's scummy for S-tier to claim other than "it's silly to claim right off the bat and I don't trust people."
I like this.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

S-Tier, Swiss, and everyone else, I'm sorry. I promise I'll start writing responses tomorrow (eight hours give or take). I'm seriously about to pass out.

 

[JTB]

-TTGL in opposition with your town meta from other games.
-Your theatrical entrance into the game. By theatrical I mean planned. It wasn't a natural entrance. It's shown by how you RVSd way after RVS had done and passed.
-Your vote happiness and your need for approval "this is right yes?". You were trying to give the appearance of joining an incrowd wagon push for information. It was really fake looking though.
-Finally your cling onto the first scum point you could find. Same as glg is doing. Scum looks for something to justify their vote and then defends it. Where as town looks for something and analysis it. You and glg are doing the former.

Yeah, this isn't going to fly.

1) You are using meta from a game that was atleast 6 months ago and that's not even the gross part. You keep saying "meta this, meta that", but you don't actually explain to us what meta you are referring to.
2) I fail to see how this is scummy in the least and would like that to be elaborated on.
3) Hold on there hombre. You call my need for approval scummy when in the same post that you voted me, you called out to Swiss for approval wrt scumJTB. How is that any different?
4) Evidence! You are throwing points upon points at me, but not actually backing them up with any proof whatsoever.

I don't like your push on me, you are throwing out the cliffnote version of your 'case' and expecting people to find the content for themselves, as evident in asking Swiss if he see's why I'm scummy as well.

At first I thought you were town because it was beyond me why scum would stick their necks out so far on a mediocre player like me and use a weak meta argument to push me, but now that I see there was more substance than just meta, I see that I was wrong.

Vote: S-Tier

 

[S-Tier]

Great post I have to say.

 

[S-Tier]

gonna delve back into the thread after a short break

not sold on scumS-Tier just yet

zapp is an enigma

I like Acrostic

others will come later

but y even say this even?

Yeah, this isn't going to fly.

1) You are using meta from a game that was atleast 6 months ago and that's not even the gross part. You keep saying "meta this, meta that", but you don't actually explain to us what meta you are referring to.
2) I fail to see how this is scummy in the least and would like that to be elaborated on.
3) Hold on there hombre. You call my need for approval scummy when in the same post that you voted me, you called out to Swiss for approval wrt scumJTB. How is that any different?
4) Evidence! You are throwing points upon points at me, but not actually backing them up with any proof whatsoever.

I don't like your push on me, you are throwing out the cliffnote version of your 'case' and expecting people to find the content for themselves, as evident in asking Swiss if he see's why I'm scummy as well.

At first I thought you were town because it was beyond me why scum would stick their necks out so far on a mediocre player like me and use a weak meta argument to push me, but now that I see there was more substance than just meta, I see that I was wrong.

Vote: S-Tier

You sudden switch is more than off. It's like you specifically mentioned that just to make it look like you weren't OMGUSing. I fail to believe that at that post you didn't see the "scuminess" pretty much everyone but Vandy felt. There was no other reason at all for you to mention that. No one asked you about your read on me and you didn't analyze a single one of my posts in you big catch up post. You just put it there specifically to show that you weren't OMGUSing.

There is no way that if you had a town read on me at that point after all the stuff I did that this one post you quoted above should have changed that.

Now to get to your points:
1. How many games have you played over that 6 months? Exactly. Meta doesn't change that much. Perhaps meta isn't even the word I'm looking for. More like persona. Everyone still has their same kind of posting ways from when I left. You've all improved, but you still have the same metarsona.

Where have I been saying "meta this, meta that"? I've only mentioned it once. Then you asked me if it was the only reason. I've told you what I was referring to. TTGL opposed with the games I've seen you as town in (Particularly Gova's Kirby). We don't usually go further than that when describing meta tells since they are personal tells and can't be related to other people. A meta tell that I've picked up on cannot be understood by someone else. Everyone picks up on their own vibes of people's persona. I'll entertain you anyway for what it is about your play that stuck out to me. As town you're very very careful about your posts. You tend to be very picky with your vote because you're so concerned with it being accurate. As scum you play in this easygoing manner which is the very first thing I noticed about your posts. Your vote-happy, buddy-buddy, theatrical play. Which leads me to number 2.

2. By theatrical, once again, I mean planned out. Town doesn't plan out their interactions, they simply interact. You weren't going with the flow of the game with your entrance, but instead came in with an already laid out structure. I don't see why you wouldn't have read before hand when so many posts had already been made.

3. I didn't ask Swiss for approval. I asked if he saw the same thing I saw. You asked if you were doing the right thing pretty much. And in a jokey like manner. You get?

4. Was it Zapp that you were clinging onto since you joined? I need to look, but I think that's it.

 

[S-Tier]

What the heck, why don't my 'your's have 'r's?

btw JTB what the heck are you saying here?

At first I thought you were town because it was beyond me why scum would stick their necks out so far on a mediocre player like me and use a weak meta argument to push me, but now that I see there was more substance than just meta, I see that I was wrong.

You're saying that you didn't feel scum would call you scum on just meta, but that scum would call you scum using substance?

 

[The Account With No Name]

I've been doing some rereading and Allegory's case on TAWNN looks really opportunistic and seems too reaching for the posts Allegory was basing the posts off. For instance, 53 and 66 both read to me as overly aggressive for the joke posts that TAWNN was making at the time. Allegory's later vote on TAWNN didn't look good either.

AM, Glyph, TAWNN, and JTB: Could I get your opinion on this post please?



I'll address any questions/concerns you guys have in my post later tonight, but for now I really need to get ready to leave tomorrow.

I disuhgree. Allegory's case on me seemed legit, as in, he's been serious about wanting to get a read on me. I can totally understand why he continued to pressure on my initial Soup read, because of how I reacted to it when asked about it.

On John: He's been very... Absent. As in, we talked once, and not since, she he has a busy schedule, which is why he entered as a hydra, instead of solo. So, until any further notification, you're going to treat/read this slot as if it were just Guus.

AM, Glyph, TAWNN, and JTB: Could I get your opinion on this post please?

K. This game is a cluster **** of weirdness atm. Ran you need to tone down the question asking, let others get a word in for a bit. I literally don't have a scum read atm, just a stack of Town ones.

Soup I think your case on Zen is reaching hardcore.

I don't like it but it seems like a case of hydra posting while the other was not on and then having some conflicting opinions of how to play.
Not having even a scum lean by now is a bit weird, it's been 40 pages for me. I'd expect something, at least.
I don't think Soup was reaching.

 

[S-Tier]

Yeah I don't believe that as your reasoning for switching lmao

JTB is the play. Join us Swiss. Join us. Join us.

Also needs more Vandy. Stop being a good student.

 

[S-Tier]

The Guss With No Name, join us.

J despite you being scum I love how logical you're being. And it's funny seeing you struggle to post against your nature. Join us on JTB now. If you do I'll let you live til endgame no strings attached.

 

[S-Tier]

Man I was totally lying with that last sentence.

 

[Swiss]

Is JTB one of my scumreads?

 

[S-Tier]

jtb scum

^ ^