Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You guys flop too much. Comfy with my vote on J.

I will read your reasoning though.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I disuhgree. Allegory's case on me seemed legit, as in, he's been serious about wanting to get a read on me. I can totally understand why he continued to pressure on my initial Soup read, because of how I reacted to it when asked about it.

Did you intend for those posts to be taken seriously or as a joke?

I don't like it but it seems like a case of hydra posting while the other was not on and then having some conflicting opinions of how to play.
Not having even a scum lean by now is a bit weird, it's been 40 pages for me. I'd expect something, at least.
I don't think Soup was reaching.

That post was from a while ago, but it does seem weird that he wouldn't have had even a lean at the time anyway.

It strikes me as offkey though that he would have posted that remark to ran when he is playing in the same slot as ran. I can understand the disagreement in between play styles, but I don't think he should have publicly stated that he disagreed with Ran's style.

I have a flight to catch, V/LA Until Monday.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (1) Allegory
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. JTB (1) S-Tier
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Swiss
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (2) TAWNN, Soup
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (4) GLG, AM, Dabuz, JTB
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, Zapp, Spidermang, J
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Still haven't read like at all. Should be pretty obvious why.

Should be hitting this game hard as soon as time opens up for it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Got a response from Ryker, he didn't give me an answer besides saying "I have no idea how it'll be let known." so yeah there's an answer to that.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Also Allegory, I would like for you to link the post you are referring to. I want to know what town read he didn't want to explain to you.

Reference for this post was my pressure case on No Name when I said he was withdrawing a town read from me. The town read was of course Soup~ as Guus said that he had him as early town read in his explanation post. The linked material in collapse tags:

Spoiler

I don't know who to vote.
As for me responding late to questions, oftentimes I leave this tab open, so you see me viewing but I'm doing something else, so don't assume I'll answer straight away :|

In response to Allegory's #328:

Welp, everything went cluster**** on me and caved in there ._.
Might as well lay down the whole situation honestly there:
I had a town feeling on Soup, and that combined with the chance to post a hilarious pun, made me post that. What triggered the town feeling with Soup, I honestly don't know. All I can think of is that in MB, he played very townish, and his start here reminded me of his start there.
Anyway, after the post, Xonar decided to say "no that is dumb you are a hydra" and I had to concur. I'd never played a hydra and forgot that I'd be better off agreeing on reads with my partner first before posting them for our slot. Then I did and John didn't really agree with my view on Soup so I basically tried to drop it.

In short: I viewed Soup as a town feeling, John didn't, so I tried to brush it off.

Does this help you explain my shenanigans a bit?

As for an answer to No Name, "Does this help you explain my shenanigans a bit?" it does for the mean time. I mean, I don't see anything I could get from pushing on you when it comes down to you not knowing how you arrived at a town read. I'm going to look elsewhere since there are a lot of other slots that have yet to explain how they've decided to approach the early stages of this game i.e. spidermang.

When I say someone is going town for me after 3 posts, you shouldn't assume I already cleared that person.

I'm slightly offended by this. I never said that you cleared S-Tier. I said that you surrendered some edge to impart pressure on him for the day. I saw the blue claim at face value as a dumb tell, whether I had a strong impression of dumb town or dumb scum was debatable since the slot surrendered their role for seemingly no reason. Instead you took his claim as being sufficient without needing a reason. Zapp has already gone over why your town read is debatable.

The read I got from the blue claim was that S-tier was setting the tone for his hydra. The aforementioned in addition to his call out on Swiss and his lynch pool filled with easy pushes led me to the impression that he was trying to label himself as being a pretentious player. He was helping me to shape a read on you when you labeled his antics as being town. I thought that you were using meta from Disco Room mafia when T-Block gambited and claimed blue in RVS. My initial impression was because you were using similar logic to arguing why he shouldn't be the play as I did in the aforementioned game. However, I wanted to make sure I wasn't jumping the gun and I'm glad I did, since you didn't have as much justification as I thought you did for the read on that slot.

As for Dabuz; That was John's gut feeling and I had no more from him than a gut feeling either. John and I don't get to communicate a lot due to time zones and schedules. I can't push Dabuz now.

I wanted you to push on Dabu for me. I don't have a lot of information coming from that slot.

Ran you need to take a step back. You're being like your past self, asking questions that are no good. You seem to be really concerned about me saying that No Name could change because you think it contradicts my town read on him. The thing is I never cleared no lynch, which is how you are portraying it. I simply have a town read on him. You asked me the reasoning and I gave it to you. Now you're taking it as if I had this super strong town read on him because of it which is exactly why asking for people to unnecessarily elaborate on their town reads is counter productive. Acrostic is doing this same thing to No lynch. You asked No lynch his reasoning for his town read on me and now Acrostic is taking it as if he had cleared me. You see why I don't like your line of questioning? So again please stop asking questions like these. I've gotten to the point of skimming most of your posts.

Except the underlined never happened. How did you arrive at the conclusion that I was under the impression that No Name was viewing you as a clear? I really don't see it within my explanation:

Spoiler

This is really wifomy if this is all there is to the read. In addition, it is not worth marking someone early on as a town read. By doing this, you essentially put up a block in your own path that inhibits yourself from pushing on S-Tier if you need to flesh him out for better reads. In addition, it adds some passive discredit on S-Tier's end if you try to apply pressure on him, as he might just assume that you are just pressuring him since you marked him earlier in the game as town. If I'm not mistaken dabu was one of your scum leans. Why are you not pushing on dabu?

Are those three posts from S-Tier sufficient enough for you to debilitate yourself from getting effective pushes early game? I'm asking you if there is more than just this the reason you gave in this paragraph. Because frankly, I don't know where you want to go with laying down town reads on other players.

I'm just posting to say that I'm going to be/have been V/LA due to sickness. I also have a posting restriction so suck it *****es. Disrespect ftw. I'm all read up but I don't really know where to put some pf my reads because this game is just weird.

J, I just want to confirm that this isn't a self-imposed restriction.

Getting to other stuff. Please hold.

 

[#HBC | J]

This isn't self-imposed, it is part of my role.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

This isn't self-imposed, it is part of my role.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought Ryker had a fond dislike of typing restrictions.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gonna try and finish that post tonight but taking a bit of a breather today from things.

 

[#HBC | J]

*shrug* I don't know Acro, beats me nor do I really care. Its something I'm stuck with and just going to move on from that.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

*shrug* I don't know Acro, beats me nor do I really care. Its something I'm stuck with and just going to move on from that.

Okie dokie.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Allegory when you answer my other question I'd also like to know what about day one of d1 you felt you needed to do better on, as you mentioned earlier.

I was thinking that I was too limited when I decided to hunt a read on No Name as soon as possible. I felt that pushing on him was the most efficient move, but in doing so I ignored a lot of other slots to place pressure on when it came to early game.

Hmph, well I just re-read Allegory and couldn't find exactly what was giving me the bad vibes surrounding him.

I was actually really curious about this. At times you have unusually accurate reads and I was wondering what you disliked about my slot.

I'm leaving tomorrow for a trip and currently packing but there are some things that I wanted to squeeze in before I leave. I'm liking S-tier more right now, I still don't like his post one claim. I understand it is a Gambit and everything, but it doesn't seem like the right gambit. I don't think he's still the play today but I'm still watching him.

Humor me. Run through the following questions in your mind.

Do you believe S-Tier's claim? If you don't, then what role do you think he is and why.
What motivation do you think he would have as scum for doing what he did?
What motivation do you think he would have as town for doing what he did?
Do you think that his claim even has an ulterior motive?
Are you sure you're not confusing a dislike of his play with an alignment read of his play?

Serious questions. Get serious.

Please elaborate on this. I'm more than eager to disagree, but I would like to hear your reasoning first.

Why? Isn't it your read?

I'm pretty sure you passed the whole Spidermang - Swiss interaction. Or you're intentionally avoiding it. Because the material there is far more aggressive than what you just quoted from me.

On John: He's been very... Absent. As in, we talked once, and not since, she he has a busy schedule, which is why he entered as a hydra, instead of solo. So, until any further notification, you're going to treat/read this slot as if it were just Guus.

Ok thank you.

One more post.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

I see no reason to continue this further, You're stuck in your ways and arguing this point is going nowhere.

I'm gonna go grab some food and check the thread later.

Very odd unvote that he just randomly dropped the pressure on Bug-Boy like it was nothing. Makes it seem like he didn't really mean the pressure he was giving and came off like a fake push.

I like Spidey.

I don't like Soup. I don't like Dabuz.

Vote: Soup

Your vote on Spidey is stupid. You seem to be voting on sides, and nothing is wrong with Spidey pressuring Swiss to answer his questions. I think they are very good questions too. What is your opinion on Swiss?

Swiss if you are at work STOP ****ING READING THE THREAD. GO TO WORK YOU SLACKER.

Swiss, do you really think Spidey is trying to get thread power? Is that his intention?

Agree with Zap here on his Spidey vote/Soupa dislike early on (Allegory mentions a dislike for Soupa as well).

I felt like you were holding back on giving an opinion of swiss. No, you really haven't shown trying to determine his alignment, so I wouldn't know that. (Yet you said you would have to get personal with swiss to do so, yet have you?)

That is why I didn't like it. Yes I can read intentions baby.

What Zapp says here about Soupa w.r.t. Swiss is also extremely true.

This is all kinds of wrong.

Vote: Zapp

Really dislike the fact of Bug-boy here following Swiss and voting Zapp for being anti-town, more than scummy. It feels more like a mechanical vote instead of an actual scum-hunt vote.

Vote: Zapp

Vote: Stupid Sexy Zapp

This is correct, yes?

I also dislike the hop-along votes from Soupa/JTB as well which are pretty much the same as Bug-boy's.

Also, I'll add this: I find it thoroughly weird Spidey went from fighting against Swiss for all forms of authority over a single question only to COMPLETELY 180 and do exactly what Swiss tells him to about hydras with absolutely no visible rhyme or reason for this sudden subordination.

vote: Spidermang

This flip is way more awkward than Zapp's flip onto Dabunz once he saw his Swiss OMGUS went nowhere.

^^^AM is like super-legit for lame Math nerd.

You know, I might believe you if you were doing stuff and not just posting on random stuff.

vote: dabuz

I really am doubting my JTBtown read when reading posts like this. Dabuz wasn't just posting random stuff and this vote just comes off extremely weird.

More of a way to gain a read on Swiss, you should see the shenanigans I've had with him in Britches & Hose.

I know, I do it all the time.

This is why I'm a background poster.

*Self-meta hypocrite here* Moving on though besides being petty.

Vandy, ill obviously shoot you because I always get sheriff

S-tier, y u mad tho

GLG, what do you think of S-tier claiming already?

Reaction to S-Tier's vote seems forced, out of place.

I find your GLG vote a bit weird too, I found GLG's response genuine and the explanation insightful, I don't think there was a lot of reason to simply claim your role just because your hydra partner didn't get the PM. All that did was create a blanket of wifom.

Urrrg, a post I agree with a lot from someone who is very weird, who I wanna dislike. Soupadumb needs more posts like these. This is where I disagree with S-Tier w.r.t. GLG after looking at the game again. I plan to explain my reads more in a bit for those of lower intelligence to understand. Basically to short-cut it, I found GLG's response more genuine then scummy manipulation.

Now into the reads that have changed.

Strongest town read is AM by far. I liked when they brought things up against Bug-boy and when I am looking at the intent behind their posts. Most of their train of thought this game has been matching mine and I don't see anything particularly scummy behind what they are doing. I guess the biggest qualm I have against them is the fact that I want more of/from them in a case/heated debate type thing.

Next would probably be Zapp and they are really close to AM in terms of town-reads. Although some questions are misplaced because a bird-brain inhabits half of the head of this hydra, they have been pressuring people with good reasons this game. They also seem to be analyzing things moreso than trying to just go along with the flow of things.

I like Swiss, skeptical as always but I can honestly say I don't really have a reason to be skeptical besides its his name that makes me that way. (though I don't know why a block of cheese would stop me....probably the smell of age) I like Swiss, he has been pressuring people (even if its not just with his vote) and been looking at places. A moment I liked particularly of Swiss was the time where he didn't continue to pursue S-Tier because he said he saw town tells in there.

Allegory is someone who I've changed my mind completely about as of late. I like his analyze of posts and the way he is looking at things. His pressure on TAWNN seems legit but the thing is those original bad vibes just have disappeared and I can't find them anymore. Good riddance I guess. However, one little note to Allegory.

Call me a she one more time, see what happens, capice?

Getting lazy, grrr.

S-Tier: Don't know yet. Very sporatic and can't quite read his intentions yet. Confusing me for some reason, especially considering I disagree with a good amount of his reads and feel his GLG push is odd for Zen to do. Oh, he's also just dumb/jealous of how awesome I am compared to the two of Seph/Zen combined even though they love me to death. *Don't want to lynch toDay*

JTB: Moved down to null due to me not liking a few of his posts and also I disliked his post which felt very OMGUS against S-Tier but there are some gems in his posts that I can see town-intent. *Can go toDay*

GLG: Needs more posts, however the posts he has done have come off genuine. Not enough to go anywhere there. *Don't want to lynch toDay*

Soupa: More a dislike for his play this game than scummy behaviour. I don't really get the scum-intent behind his posts this game but he has some very weird things going on about him (agreed with Bug-Boy when he was talking about this). His vote pattern this game has not been the best and he also tries to mark up his 180's to his normal playstyle and I feel he is using that more of a crutch to get away with escaping through doors he has created. *Could be swayed but I don't really think he is the best way to go....for now*

TWANN: I honestly have no clue what I want to say w.r.t. this slot. The best part, for me, about their play this game would have to be their attempt (being leniant with this word here) of a case (again leniant on that word too) on me. I didn't like their original hop-on and I do say I like what Allegory has pointed out surrounding them. *Can go/Can not go Doesn't matter, personally if this slot is gone, less a head-ache for me*

Dabuz: Off the top of my head, nothing he has posted has really stuck to my mind besides he is posting some analyze of things but I don't really get the feeling of much in-depth analysis. Feel comfortable for leaving this slacker around for another toDay's sake though. *Don't want lynched*

Glyph is Glyph, he can live toDay till he gets here. Him and his blow-up muscles just need to get here and do stuff.

Now towards the person who is getting my vote. I'm going with Bug-Boy. Buggy hasn't been doing much lately and is giving the impression that they are hiding from us now that the attention isn't surrounding them and has began to focus elsewhere. This game they have been somewhat contradictory and also looking at their voting history, its poor to be brutally honest. Their votes/actions seems to lack full thought through what they are trying to accomplish (especially when its from the Xonar side of things).

Let me site an example of them not really explaining things fully which makes me feel they are insincere with their thoughts: Here is a post of a reads list without much any explanation to them at all. His scum-picks bring to light some new suspicions no one has really cared to voice out much so, naturally, some explanation would be great to see but none of that ever comes.

Let's go to the page where that post was quoted, Pg 13 of 40ppp (because only losers use differently). During this page they are responding to things but not really giving much in response to what they are responding to. He also decided to point out a red flag towards but doesn't explain anything about it which marks it a red flag, nor does he push that quote or that slot. Most of his defense against AM was him just saying, "You are misinterpreting things" which wasn't really the case as AM pointed out again.

Seems the readlist/pg 13 was all from the Xonar half and then the Raz half did his post on the next page in which he says he has a dislike for GLG and still a little bit of a dislike for Soupa/Dabuz but no vote or anything nor any pressure towards them. I just don't see the town intent in what they are posting and seems to be more fluff.

So yeah, sorry S-Tier but I'm more comfortable joining Allegory's team for his wagon>JTB wagon.

Vote: Spidermang

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Wow. Not gonna lie, that alleviated my J scum read, and brought my scumSpider read back to life.

Vote: Spidermang tentatively, will talk to my partner to get absolute clearance, but expect this to be where our vote stays.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Wow. Not gonna lie, that alleviated my J scum read, and brought my scumSpider read back to life.

Vote: Spidermang tentatively, will talk to my partner to get absolute clearance, but expect this to be where our vote stays.

Underlined, how exactly did that alleviate your scumread on him?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Because I read through his thought process at the bottom part of that post (yes, I sat through the whole thing -.-), and his intentions just sang to me. Plus, he's got damn good reasoning for Spidey and made me remember how much of a scumbag he was.

Serious question: Why does it matter?

If you have any further questions, please run them by Van. Not online? Sorry.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Bird brain... : [ What do you mean by that? I just want to know to see what questioning seemed useless or misplaced from me.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Previous post was for J. Will respond.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Because I read through his thought process at the bottom part of that post (yes, I sat through the whole thing -.-), and his intentions just sang to me. Plus, he's got damn good reasoning for Spidey and made me remember how much of a scumbag he was.

Serious question: Why does it matter?

If you have any further questions, please run them by Van. Not online? Sorry.

Underlined, yes. He isn't online. He has been busy so I'll do what I can for now.

Why does it matter? It matters because you seem to be on J just to be on a wagon. If you really thought he was scum you would have at least pushed harder on him, or at least re-consider his previous post.

Bold, I don't see how you 'see his intent singing to you'. I mean if you did, I don't see why you didn't explain what intent you saw from your pov. That would have been nice.

Now look at this too, your reasoning for liking the J push:

Ngl, I kinda like the J hate. Consider this half on board with the wagon, but still in discontent with S Tier.

S Tier I will not answer one question you have regarding that sentence.

Ngl, I kinda like this post.

So you had a soft stance on J by agreeing with others on it. I don't really like this, and then that you let him go as soon as he posts a FULL and good catch up.

And I also don't like how you ask me to confer with Vandy to straighten this out. (Because he has a town read on you) Of course I would talk to him about you, but it's like you expect him to give you some leeway because of it, and therefore you wouldn't really want me to ask you questions or suspect you.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

It actually just seemed kinda stupid to ask, which is why I said check in with Van. But I'll see just how stupid it was right now

 

[zapp brannigan]

It actually just seemed kinda stupid to ask, which is why I said check in with Van. But I'll see just how stupid it was right now

It didn't seem stupid to ask in my pov. Asking someone why they dropped suspicion of someone easily, I feel is a good question.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Rather, that's what I feel you did, drop suspicion of J easily just to get on the Spidey wagon because it's the cool place to be.

But I wanted to know the reason first, of course. I ask for the reason, to see if it was legit for you to drop the J stance.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

J seemed like he was just try'na get by with a lame restriction and mad coasting. Now that he's ACTUALLY posted something of legit worth, I like em. There's nothing on there that I dislike, no, NOTHING.

Why does it matter? It matters because you seem to be on J just to be on a wagon. If you really thought he was scum you would have at least pushed harder on him, or at least re-consider his previous post.

Why do you think I sat through the whole post? I always complain about when friggin July pulls walls out of her a**, you think I WANTED to just read that wall?

Bold, I don't see how you 'see his intent singing to you'. I mean if you did, I don't see why you didn't explain what intent you saw from your pov. That would have been nice.

Nah I'd rather not waste my time on that.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

A lot of the dropping of the J stance is cuz of the Spidey business. Enemy of my enemy is my friend-esque. Spidey's one of my top scum reads, and J's reasoning seemed really legit, and especially cuz of the fact that he's essentially resurrecting it. Like, I guess Allegory might have brought up suspicion but god knows I didn't read any of his walls, I'm leaving that up to my partner lol.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Deadline is set for Thursday, April 7th.

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

@mod: Deadline is April 6th, right?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soupa: More a dislike for his play this game than scummy behaviour. I don't really get the scum-intent behind his posts this game but he has some very weird things going on about him (agreed with Bug-Boy when he was talking about this). His vote pattern this game has not been the best and he also tries to mark up his 180's to his normal playstyle and I feel he is using that more of a crutch to get away with escaping through doors he has created. *Could be swayed but I don't really think he is the best way to go....for now*

I never implied this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I see no reason to continue this further, You're stuck in your ways and arguing this point is going nowhere.

I'm gonna go grab some food and check the thread later.

Very odd unvote that he just randomly dropped the pressure on Bug-Boy like it was nothing. Makes it seem like he didn't really mean the pressure he was giving and came off like a fake push.

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It's pretty clear-cut, there was no reason to imply that further because he was obviously was stuck in his own ways. Even if I did contest him the lesser he would do is shove no u statements at me, which is more or less what he did regardless of me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm willing to work with you J, A couple of pages back I was looking at Spidermang and S-tier and how they were pushing Swiss.

I haven't read your case yet, but I saw the vote.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What pisses me off looking at this is the damn fact S-tier never responded. I feel like i've been getting the short end of the stick this whole game.

/rant

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I want to do things, I really do. I'm tired and I got no sleep at all last night. I will try and get back at this tommorow.

I'm not unvoting yet.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Allegory what are your credentials? Link me to a previous game of yours.

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Drop the No Name answer thing. Tier's post was comic gold, but what did it tell you?

Tier's post indicated to me that the slot made a blatant move to push the equivalent of a policy lynch today:

Our lynch pool for the day is: JTB > Spidey > glg > Glyph

My initial impression was that he wasn't being serious and that he had an ulterior motive i.e. to see reactions to his statement and to see how people would react if he continued to apply pressure. The connection case between you and JTB when taken literally was the epitome of reaching. Therefore it was hard for me to interpret his motives as being honest on first read.

The seriousness of his lynch pool is starting to bear weight now as he is pushing hard for a JTB lynch. JTB hasn't been active at all this game and he's been frankly under the radar for me as with the rest of the subsistence posters: Glyph, glg, & dabu. My read on S-Tier will probably be dependent on how I read JTB after doing an iso on the slot sometime tonight or tomorrow.

You're hard to read; do you want to be copped, or tracked toNight?

Neither. It would be a wasted report. How am I hard to read?

Analyzing the S-Tier post that Swiss quoted:

Ran you need to take a step back. You're being like your past self, asking questions that are no good.

I'm slightly bothered by this paragraph. S-Tier dislikes Ranmaru posting questions that are in essence, "no good" however he doesn't bother to dig into the possibility of Ranmaru dumping in poor questions as possible filler. S-tier jumped to qualifying this as a personality trait rather than being a potential tell. In addition he is asking Ranmaru to limit the flow of information that comes from the slot. This reduces the chances of Ranmaru potentially slipping as scum if he is fillering.

A concern of mine in looking at the Zapp slot has been the fact that Vanderzant hasn't really struck me as taking central interest in this hydra and making a push. Instead it seems like Ranmaru is the dominant personality. I am curious as to why Vanderzant is deferring to Ranmaru when his analysis would be more trustworthy in convincing town to follow through on the slot's lynch, would do a reread to see if my impressions though are substantiated.

Wow, he posted three times. May I ask, why exactly do you have him as a town read?

So? What is wrong with asking about town reads you already put up in thread?

I don't see why you are basing your read on his first post, and not even looking at the rest of his play.

If you have a legit reason for a town read then you should have no trouble explaining it right off the bat.

Claiming VT is safe. Scum CAN do that. Even so, it's wifom and I'm not looking at that.

Did you even see that he would be fine on taking you off the 'to be nk'd' list without even giving a reason?

He even tried to pin a scum tell on Swiss for some pure bull****. He isn't even doing anything.

He was afraid to avoid my answers because he knows that if he were to stay quiet that I'd suspect him, and I do.

I also don't like how he backpeddaled with Swiss. He just said "Yeah you're obvtown" most likely because of how Swiss reacted towards him. I didn't think that was grounds for him to change his read. Seemed forced.

Also, opinion on s_tier?

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Only justification I can find for this assumption is really No Name's initial misinterpretation of events which I believe I brought up in my initial response to the questions asked of me. I really don't understand why S-Tier would make such large misinterpretations on Ranmaru and my part. He is definitely skimming at the time of this post. I don't see how Zen would make such an egregious error otherwise.

Acrostic is doing this same thing to No lynch. You asked No lynch his reasoning for his town read on me and now Acrostic is taking it as if he had cleared me. You see why I don't like your line of questioning? So again please stop asking questions like these. I've gotten to the point of skimming most of your posts.

Okay I'd just like to note that this is seriously a coincidence. Also this is messed up since S-Tier has Zapp and me on what I interpret to be a "town list" and he's skimming content from both slots. :|

I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies.

Initial comment is plausible. But he didn't out how he arrived at this read. How troubling. Normally the subsequent comment would bother me, irritate me, except I brushed it aside since Zen did this before in Guerren Langan mafia. I suppose I should more disturbed by the idea that Zen, Lord Genome, was mafia that game and he used this claim of bravado to get X-1 lynched as Boota, townie. But Zen wouldn't use the same general tactic twice in such a blatant manner, would he?

I wanted to gauge whether or not Swiss switched on me because I told him I wont tag my posts or because he was indirectly defending JTB.

Bad. Impossible to take at face value. Not sure what he is trying to do with this atm.

I'm genuinely confused about this post. What is comical about those choices?

Not sure if genuinely curious or not.

(1)Where else have you seen someone claim unprovoked?
(2)If it is irrational, how is that a scum tell? If it's irrational for town, it's irrational for scum.
(3)You're stating that I did it to get reactions. Which is a town motivation. You didn't name one scum intention in this post. The bold is actually very telling of you.

Not sure of the context on this last paragraph stretch. I'm assuming it involves glg/Zen interaction. Will take a look at it when I get to iso'ing JTB & others and post thoughts here.

Allegory and Tier still on my **** list. J, what's your restriction? The swearing? Vote: GLG

Still curious on why you don't think I'm town.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Going to answer questions, finish reading, go over reads, and then share them. Maybe mix and match at times. Spidermang is totally mafia though.

Sorry, know I'm pushing really close the deadline :|

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@mod: Deadline is April 6th, right?

Yes, because I can't count.

 

[Gova]

The deadline has been updated to its correct time.

1. Spidermang (3) Allegory, J, AM
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. JTB (1) S-Tier
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Swiss
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (2) TAWNN, Soup
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, Dabuz, JTB
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, Zapp, Spidermang
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 5th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[S-Tier]

JTB:... there are some gems in his posts that I can see town-intent.

Quick in-out since I'm busy. Can you quote them?

 

[S-Tier]

My initial impression was that he wasn't being serious and that he had an ulterior motive i.e. to see reactions to his statement and to see how people would react if he continued to apply pressure. The connection case between you and JTB when taken literally was the epitome of reaching. Therefore it was hard for me to interpret his motives as being honest on first read.

The seriousness of his lynch pool is starting to bear weight now as he is pushing hard for a JTB lynch. JTB hasn't been active at all this game and he's been frankly under the radar for me as with the rest of the subsistence posters: Glyph, glg, & dabu. My read on S-Tier will probably be dependent on how I read JTB after doing an iso on the slot sometime tonight or tomorrow.

Woah for one JTB, glg, and Spidey had all posted. glg the least, but his actions were still very much read-worthy. Furthermore it's simple logic that the more town reads you have, the less amount of people you will find scum in. Glyph and J not posting at that time = unreadable and willing to lynch over any of our town reads. You act like pressuring inactives is a bad thing. I even said that when they started posting it would decide whether or not they stayed in that pool.

I really like you based on meta, Acrostic, but how you so that as a comedic post and your explanation for it are really rubbing me the wrong way. I feel you were sheeping off of Swiss who had commented on the post before you.

I'm slightly bothered by this paragraph. S-Tier dislikes Ranmaru posting questions that are in essence, "no good" however he doesn't bother to dig into the possibility of Ranmaru dumping in poor questions as possible filler. S-tier jumped to qualifying this as a personality trait rather than being a potential tell. In addition he is asking Ranmaru to limit the flow of information that comes from the slot. This reduces the chances of Ranmaru potentially slipping as scum if he is fillering.

How many games have you played with Ranmaru. It very much IS a personality trait. There's no argument against that. It's fact. It's how he plays. To consider it a tell would be completely wrong.

Ha, reducing the flow of info? I simply asked him to stop asking a single question. He's not going to slip up by asking "why do you think he is town" to every persons town read. This is a very bad accusation.

Initial comment is plausible. But he didn't out how he arrived at this read. How troubling. Normally the subsequent comment would bother me, irritate me, except I brushed it aside since Zen did this before in Guerren Langan mafia. I suppose I should more disturbed by the idea that Zen, Lord Genome, was mafia that game and he used this claim of bravado to get X-1 lynched as Boota, townie. But Zen wouldn't use the same general tactic twice in such a blatant manner, would he?

You do realize I have a town read on Swiss? Lol @ you brushing something off because you seen Zen do it in another game. AS MAFIA. Man I haven't even been reading your posts since getting a town read on you, but maybe I should because I am not liking this post at all. Perhaps town Acro = scum and scum acro = town?

Bad. Impossible to take at face value. Not sure what he is trying to do with this atm.

Why quote this when you already quoted this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by S-Tier
I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies.

 

[S-Tier]

Oh now I see with regards to the last quote. I didn't realize they were from the same post. As I said Swiss has been know to defend his buddies in such a way. He will flat out attack anyone that pushes his buddies or himself. My reaction testing by him was my way of judging the intent behind his sudden dislike of me. The way he reacted to my teasing of him being buddies with JTB showed to me that wasn't the case. If it were, he would have gone full throttle at me. I know how to read Swiss. Don't be mad.

 

[Swiss]

Lol @ Tier.

 

[Spidermang]

Sorry for the absence.

I honestly haven't had a lot of interest in this game and Raziek has also been super busy. I'll sit down some time and really take some time to read this game and start from the beginning and work from there.