Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | J]

@Soupadumb:

Roughly interpreted your Swiss posts as you treating Swiss as null, sitting on him being a null read, and then trying to find out his alignment via PoE. Out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to rebuke Spidermang? Lacking intuition here, but I just don't find it to be a stance that town would immediately take. Even with meta, I find your decision awkward.

You've got a fairly good idea there. Because I didn't like his push regardless of my read on Swiss, the way he acted read completely jumping the gun for no reason. Like I said, I either thought he was pulling RVS shenanigans, or was bull****ting. I didn't understand the logic to just completely jump on Swiss like that.

I thought about it again and 180'd, though, understanding that regardless of how I felt in the instance, pursuing it any long would deem pointless.

You did a 180 in a span of sixteen minutes.

I know, I do it all the time.

This is why I'm a background poster.

I already brought this up but the satisfaction of bringing it up again is too much too resist. You did imply it but yeah. Also w.r.t. your fake-vote, regardless of what you say that vote looks/weird fake to me and not really much you can say can change my mind on that fact because that post you opted to do to explain it looks more like a bad excuse.

 

[#HBC | J]

Quick in-out since I'm busy. Can you quote them?

Yet you can quote/go against Allegory? ~.~ Rude. Already brought up a post in the past that reminds me, its the one where he first was catching up. However he lost his town point credentials when he OMGUS'd you.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Sorry for the absence.

I honestly haven't had a lot of interest in this game and Raziek has also been super busy. I'll sit down some time and really take some time to read this game and start from the beginning and work from there.

Going to streamline this since I won't be in for the next ten hours and when I get back home I know you'll be sleeping due to time zone differences. I don't really understand the pressure you were putting on Swiss early on D1. From my point of view, both you and Raziek are players that are capable of playing a fairly legit townie game without needing to pursue such an off-handed gambit early on. How you approached the situation i.e. asking Swiss how he would tackle dabu/gira seems to be a throw up question. And your beginning play into today was weak.

Meta metric aside, I'm not really sure of what your intent was in going with such a push early on. For one, when Soup~ interrupted you, you implied that you were doing something of merit. This is additionally supplemented when Ranmaru "agreed" with what you were doing initially and joined initial pressure on Swiss, in which you also didn't say anything. In fact, the reason you ended up voting Ranmaru was because he omgus'd Swiss. I would have thought that you would have voted him for stating that your push was a "good" move. Especially when dabu questioned your intent and asked you whether your choice was the best course of action, your response indicated something along the lines that it wasn't an important push.

That leaves the question open to how important the initial push was to you and to me for that matter. Furthermore when you did pick up the game again after a brief day or two day hiatus in which we were curious about your intent behind the gambit, the subsequent posts that I remember reading didn't really address what information you got from your initial play.

I do understand that there are several extrinsic factors affecting the core hydra from probably giving his best. But in consideration of these factors, I still believe much explanation is necessary for initial play and what was seriously gained from it as a whole. Debating if this is the lynch I want to pursue. Sigh.

@S-Tier: I read your response. I mean which one do I take seriously. The second one or the first one. The two have such sharp contrasting tones in how you regard my slot. Is my analysis opportunistic? Are you offended that I have the audacity within me to consider you scum which makes me scummy my extension? Your initial post reads like a bad reaction and I'm wondering why you would take my post that way. Also yes, you should be trying to read and not skimming. The fact that you phrase reading my posts as a threat, "ALLEGORY DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT ME TO READ YOUR POSTS? YOU'RE SUDDENLY LOOKING AWFULLY SCUM MATE. GOD FORBID I READ YOUR POSTS" honestly just appeals to I guess what is my own surreal sense of humor. Because I assume in a mafia game, you would try to read everything. Unless you're me and you need to iso everyone to just get a better picture of what the hell is going on this game.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

J I think there is a definitive alignment tell in S-Tier's response to mine. I definitely have the feeling that I janked his chain. What reads do you get from his response to me? J first. I also want Swiss to comment after J, if possible.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

God I'm late to work. Mother ****er.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (3) Allegory, J, AM
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. JTB (1) S-Tier
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Swiss
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (2) TAWNN, Soup
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, Dabuz, JTB
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, Zapp, Spidermang
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 5th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | J]

J I think there is a definitive alignment tell in S-Tier's response to mine. I definitely have the feeling that I janked his chain. What reads do you get from his response to me? J first. I also want Swiss to comment after J, if possible.

S-tier dropped a delicious little scum-tell in his response to you and should burn for it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Swiss, question for you, if the lynch candidate for toDay claims PR or something equally as good would you wagon snap to S-Tier or would you rather an inactive?

Be grateful I seem like I'm giving you a choice.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I like Allegory alot more. : D

Allegory, it is true what Zen says. That is the way I play. It's more of my general nature than a playstyle. Although I try to refrain from asking dumb questions, and just asking those which I feel can help me develop reads, figure out why people have done things, and find scum.

Now about Zen telling me to stop asking him about his town read reasons. I feel he was telling me I was being 'my past self' as in being dumb, but I think it's just an excuse so he could deflect my attention off of him. Basically, he was discrediting my push on him by saying I was acting like my old self, which I didn't like.

Now I don't remember if you got the chance to, but if you think Zen is handling something wrong (Like telling me to stop giving info) and you think it's odd, ask him why he did that. I think you were catching up, but I'm sure that would given you his intent instead of just analyzing it and then getting accused for misconstruing, which was what Zen was doing. I still feel he is grimy.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Do you have a read on me?

Yes, and it's green.

You haven't done anything to make me think otherwise.

Except this:

Still curious on why you don't think I'm town.

I really don't understand this question or why you ask it. It's being asked in a manner as if it should be given that you're town to everyone by now. Best you can ask is "why am I on your **** list" but asking why you're not town just seems so pointless to me.

Or is this English language worldplay going right over my head?

 

[zapp brannigan]

No Name what do you think of the recent interaction between Allegory and S-tier?

 

[#HBC | J]

Zapp, your vote is nowhere and hasn't been for a while. Can you tell me where it would go/where it is going since we have less than 48 hours?

 

[#HBC | J]

TWANB, can you give me a read on Bug-boy/JTB and an update on whether your "soupatown" read is still there.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Spidey.

Actually I can put that up now.

Vote: Spidey

I think this is where both me and Vandy would want to go in.

He has town reads on S-tier so I'd just try to convince him on that read, but he has been busy with Uni so I'll just carry for now.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I also WOULD like for an S-tier lynch, but currently it is a tentantive hydra read.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Also, I dislike the pushes for you lynch, J. It was grimy.

I just didn't get why SOUP got on you. He is someone I have a town read on and I really want to know why he got on just because of your 'self meta' thing.

I hydrad with Zen twice so I understood where you were coming from with that

 

[#HBC | J]

Soupa's push on me is weird/odd/doesn't make sense. It seems mechanical and he is trying to hold onto his suspicion on me just for the fact of holding onto it. Its also weird in the sense that he never explained his suspicion of me fully and left it more up to interpretation and back to other people's reasoning rather than his own.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Yeah it's also weird he hasn't replied to me when I went into why it made sense you said that. Like your self meta seemed to be the only thing he cared about, to find you as scum.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Also your reasoning for your soup read makes sense. Usually as scum he makes half *** excuses when he can't react fast enough to something. Consider DK Mafia that was just finished. His buddy was getting pressured hard and was falling... and Soup said that he was tired and so he was going to sleep. Then, he comes back in thread to say he didn't get a chance to read what happened, to distance from Bardull.

Thoughts on this, J?

 

[#HBC | J]

We don't really have a similar situation based on connection yet this game, however I will agree that after Bardull's flip in that game SoupaScum became blatantly clear by his own actions+connection to Bardull. The only thing we have similar is that Soupa is not explaining himself anymore and when he does, by consensus, its thought upon as weird. Most people are chalking it up to "Normal Soupa" but I think there may be more to it which is why I'm looking at him with more scrutiny.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soupadumb:









I already brought this up but the satisfaction of bringing it up again is too much too resist. You did imply it but yeah. Also w.r.t. your fake-vote, regardless of what you say that vote looks/weird fake to me and not really much you can say can change my mind on that fact because that post you opted to do to explain it looks more like a bad excuse.

I was kidding, You can't have a 180 in a span of 18 minutes, I did have conflicting thoughts though.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

We don't really have a similar situation based on connection yet this game, however I will agree that after Bardull's flip in that game SoupaScum became blatantly clear by his own actions+connection to Bardull. The only thing we have similar is that Soupa is not explaining himself anymore and when he does, by consensus, its thought upon as weird. Most people are chalking it up to "Normal Soupa" but I think there may be more to it which is why I'm looking at him with more scrutiny.

Don't understand this, where is your qualm? I've been explaining myself. I'm not sure what you want from me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

V/LA for today, a little bit of tommorow.

 

[S-Tier]

@S-Tier: I read your response. I mean which one do I take seriously. The second one or the first one. The two have such sharp contrasting tones in how you regard my slot. Is my analysis opportunistic? Are you offended that I have the audacity within me to consider you scum which makes me scummy my extension? Your initial post reads like a bad reaction and I'm wondering why you would take my post that way. Also yes, you should be trying to read and not skimming. The fact that you phrase reading my posts as a threat, "ALLEGORY DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT ME TO READ YOUR POSTS? YOU'RE SUDDENLY LOOKING AWFULLY SCUM MATE. GOD FORBID I READ YOUR POSTS" honestly just appeals to I guess what is my own surreal sense of humor. Because I assume in a mafia game, you would try to read everything. Unless you're me and you need to iso everyone to just get a better picture of what the hell is going on this game.

lol man you're town.

 

[S-Tier]

TAWWN what are your current reads on JTB, glg, and J?

 

[S-Tier]

And what do you think about mass character claiming?

 

[S-Tier]

Yet you can quote/go against Allegory? ~.~ Rude. Already brought up a post in the past that reminds me, its the one where he first was catching up. However he lost his town point credentials when he OMGUS'd you.

I was more looking for specific points rather than a general "this post". Also that was my other head that debated with acrostic.

 

[The Account With No Name]

I've been busy studying today/yesterday and I would have all the time in the world the next 5 days, but the deadline is tonight, so I can't postpone my replies @_@. Here'll be some replies, albeit a bit shorter.

No Name what do you think of the recent interaction between Allegory and S-tier?

I liked Acrostic's critical look at S-tier and his case. But I also liked S-Tier's defenes, it was adequate IMO. It seemed like TvT interaction.

TWANB, can you give me a read on Bug-boy/JTB and an update on whether your "soupatown" read is still there.

I wouldn't lynch Spideymang solely for his play on the first day of Today, I mean, he was just pressuring. His disappearance after pressuring Swiss and then blatantly doing nothing worth mentioning, together with a reads list without explanation, not having any interest in the game and Xonar posting a ****-ton in Gigabots... Yead, I'd be willing to vote him to reach a majority.
I'd be for lynching an inactive.

Soup, ever since I started something on J, I disliked him somewhat more. J asked him quite a few questions which he blantantly IGNORED. Specifically when asked for his reasoning behind voting J. When he finally gives some reason, it's a crappy reason where he mistakes deflecting pressure with defending himself.

TAWWN what are your current reads on JTB, glg, and J?

JTB: Is he even playing? As I said before, he's a non-presence and I dislike how unreliable the posting from his slot is. Null

GLG:

I do however, think that Allegory and Zapp need to be looked at more in detail. I've been doing some rereading and Allegory's case on TAWNN looks really opportunistic and seems too reaching for the posts Allegory was basing the posts off. For instance, 53 and 66 both read to me as overly aggressive for the joke posts that TAWNN was making at the time. Allegory's later vote on TAWNN didn't look good either.

I didn't like this post specifically. He went in way too deep on something that early in the game. It was early game pressure which shouldn't be taken as "oh you are scum we'll lynch you"-pressure, which GLG is making it out to be. As Acrostic pointed out, his posts were literally not aggressive, nor reaching.

GLG is the one reaching here and I don't like it. It doesn't seem like a genuine town post. But one post is not what I'd lynch his slot for. Slightly scummy

J: I like that she took somewhat harder stances in his latest list of "would lynch or would not lynch". Nothing new has come up that made me want to continue voting J.
unvote

Since a lynch should be happening soon, I'll be throwing my vote on uh...

Vote: Spidermang

Yeah we can do that.

 

[JTB]

request replacement

Computer took a **** on me a couple days ago, ordered new parts which came today and did nothing, so I have no idea when it wil be fixed. Probs better with deadline coming up that I replace out

Lo siento amigos

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Hydra is V/LA for all of tomorrow, and possibly Friday depending on whether the other half will be here. Totally fine keeping my vote where it is now, so that's where it'll stay. Doc on me, vig on GLG/Glyph (or whatever inactive you feel needs'a shootin), cop on STier. Cool? Cool.

 

[Dabuz]

I don't see a S-Tier lynch happening toDay.

unvote

I would like to see a J lynch

Vote: J

 

[S-Tier]

unvote

I would like to see a J lynch

Vote: J

And why is that?

 

[S-Tier]

Why would you switch from one lynch that isn't happening to another lynch that isn't happening. It looks like a spidey lynch at this point dabuz so that's where you vote should be.

Unless you want to join me on JTB. We wont have to worry about a replacement if we just lynch him.

@J you said you're fine with switching to JTB. Will you do this with me?

 

[Dabuz]

J lynch doesn't look completely out of the realm of possiblity.

I don't feel comfortable with a Spidey lynch. JTB lynch is fine with me however.

unvote
vote: JTB

 

[Dabuz]

EBWOP: *J lynch didn't

 

[S-Tier]

Wait but why did you want him lynched?
Also I agree on Spidey. I'm not sure about my other half though. After looking over him again I'm getting town though.

 

[Dabuz]

Look at my 616 for your answer.

Regarding Spidey, I can't get any read on him because his early game can be interpreted so many ways.

 

[S-Tier]

Look at my 616 for your answer.

You don't really explain what about his post you don't like.

What do you make of #653? I'd reckon that would have been a read changer, but it does not for you?

 

[Dabuz]

Wow, beat me to it, I was actually gonna comment on 653 before my internet went down.

Anyway, 653 reads fluff to me. J lists her reads for I think every slot in this game, which isn't alignment telling since scum can do the same thing. The responses to what he quoted were all...worthless to say that least, it helps validate the reads she gives, but I don't see an effort to push anyone or really analyze what was pulled out. The responses were more like: "I like/ dislike...thats it" with no follow up.

The paragraphs on Spidey look opportunistic because Spidey had a bad early game, and when he came back for a few posts, it was hardly noticeable, meaning Spidey is an easy target. Spidey probably won't bother responding because he is inactive so it's a sly move to go with the popular wagon.

To explain the significance of my 616, you pretty much showed that J's townie read on JTB was a load of BS, to me if J can't give good reason for a read, then it's a bad sign. The other bad sign is when J says he has a scummy vibe on Allegory, but when questioned about it, J retreats and says he can't find why he has a scummy read. Both of these look scummy because that shows the reads are not genuine or thought-out, but were there just to make content. Not being able to properly defend the reads, J shows that he has not been analyzing or playing in a pro-town fashion.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

This behavior from the Spidermang slot is really uncanny. Like I'm legitimately perturbed by this absolute silence and lack of counter-content coming in, but on the other hand I feel vindicated on the basis that Xonar|Raziek should have given me at least something by now.