Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Swiss]

I see no reason to test this.

 

[S-Tier]

I figured since you make your posts as a real time go a long you may have asked without reading first and just didn't see this response to Vanderzapp which answers your question:

Zen, I'm confused. Last game we played town accepted my terms and worked with me - we won hard and fast, largely due to my reads. You know helping me helps town, yet you've stubbornly refused. Explain why.

I may just play the game now.

I wont differentiate as you requested. Though you're welcome to ask about specific posts if you aren't sure. The reason I wont do so is because we discuss each of our reads posting so we wont be having different opinions. As I do with all my hydra partners, I let them have the final say in everything so there is never any conflict. For the record all of the posts so far have been by me. Seph is V/LA for a bit. Furthermore, I tailor the way I play for each hydra as if it has a personality of its own. It allows me to play with different styles. Displaying ourselves as individual Zen and Seph defeats that so I'm not doing so.

This is not a bad thing. There is no reason you should not be able to still read our intentions. For one, it is still generally clear who is posting in a hydra. For two it's not as if you can not judge intentions from someone you've never played with before. Simply treat hydras as someone new that you're playing with. You'll be able to pick up intentions/tells that are specific to that hydra just as you are with any other person.

You even making this a thing is silly though. All the questions you ignore and intentionally making yourself unreadable by pretending to be scum are both anti-town, yet you continue to do so every game. They're aspects of your play you don't give up and no one *****es about it like a rag doll. It's not as if you care about this anymore. After putting effort into reading the game, you now see that the hydras along with the other players are very readable. You're only still going on about it to remain consistent.

 

[S-Tier]

J, reads. What are they.

 

[#HBC | J]

Swiss, since you seem one of the only people here with a brain (even if it may be a tiny one), let me ask you some things.

Soupa is town?

TAWNN>Zap in terms of lynching out of those two toDay?

@Others: I am not seeing how JTB is scum to others. All I am seeing is townie points. The meta argument against him seems dumb as does most meta arguments.

@Tier:

glg > J > JTB > Glyph > Spidey.

Be forward with me, these your real scum-picks?

 

[#HBC | J]

J, reads. What are they.

Swiss is leaning town. Allegory is leaning scum. GLG could be scum but then again I can hardly read him correctly ever. JTB is leaning town. Dabuz is null, Soupa I want him to be town but there's nothing concrete for me to keep that read so he's a lean for the town side. AM is null.

Most of the hydras are null. The hydra I like the most so far is probably Zapp regardless of how they are.

I also wouldn't mind losing TAWNN now that I think about the hydras.

 

[#HBC | J]

I forgot about Bug-boy, no clue at the moment. I disliked their earlier play but lately they have gotten better so they are null.

 

[S-Tier]

Be forward with me, these your real scum-picks?

Yes. Why do you ask? The only one you disagree with is JTB. Speaking of which, what is your reasoning for him being town?

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't see any reason to suspect him as scum so far. The only point I recognize as having some merit is the call-out of him being sheepy. However, every game I've played with JTB he has been somewhat sheepy and I have ML'd him because of it in the past so I take it as a null tell. I like his last post a lot which showed him actually going into things.

Your scum-list seems too....easy for my tastes Zenny. You have GLG which is an easy one to lynch then Me/Glyph which are the inactives then there is JTB which you are trying to substantiate a majority of your read on him based around meta/a feeling that his RVS entrance was fake (really?) and Spidey which you've held onto since the beginning of the game yet have not done much more with delving into it.

What's your opinion on Allegory?

 

[Swiss]

Vote: JTB

Oh man, Swiss please tell me you what I see.

Tier I was referring to this.

You're remarkably cocky for someone who's wrong so often.

You even making this a thing is silly though. All the questions you ignore and intentionally making yourself unreadable by pretending to be scum are both anti-town, yet you continue to do so every game. They're aspects of your play you don't give up and no one *****es about it like a rag doll. It's not as if you care about this anymore. After putting effort into reading the game, you now see that the hydras along with the other players are very readable. You're only still going on about it to remain consistent.

I do not intentionally make myself anti-town and to believe so is ignorant and foolish. I play to the best of my ability to achieve my wincon and when town, playing anti-town is against this. I make many posts, take many stances and pull many gambits you may think are anti-town but I can assure you, were you able to keep up, you would understand they are not. I never intentionally drop a scum tell unless I believe it will benefot my wincon - which can happen as any alignment.

And yet again, do not think to tell me how I play this game. I know how I achieve my reads, bluster all you wish but it is pointless, unfounded serves only to weaken your already volatile reputation.

Swiss, since you seem one of the only people here with a brain (even if it may be a tiny one), let me ask you some things.

Soupa is town?

TAWNN>Zap in terms of lynching out of those two toDay?

I believe he is. And yes, with regret as I believe them both to be town. Though this answer was decided by theur isefullness, and not probability of being scum. I do not believe No Name could be scum, this is a firm read.

 

[S-Tier]

I don't see any reason to suspect him as scum so far. The only point I recognize as having some merit is the call-out of him being sheepy. However, every game I've played with JTB he has been somewhat sheepy and I have ML'd him because of it in the past so I take it as a null tell. I like his last post a lot which showed him actually going into things.

Your scum-list seems too....easy for my tastes Zenny. You have GLG which is an easy one to lynch then Me/Glyph which are the inactives then there is JTB which you are trying to substantiate a majority of your read on him based around meta/a feeling that his RVS entrance was fake (really?) and Spidey which you've held onto since the beginning of the game yet have not done much more with delving into it.

What's your opinion on Allegory?

"easy" doesn't have anything to do with accuracy. Most of the people who have been actively posting are town. So it's both easy and accurate to assume that scum is within the nulls.

None of what you said explains why you have a town read on JTB, just a null read.

Town on Allegory.

 

[S-Tier]

Swiss I answered that one as well my friend.

 

[#HBC | J]

I said in that post you quoted that I liked that he was going into things and that I haven't seen anything I want to look at up his way yet so it's a town-lean.

I'm finding it hard to believe you have so many town reads in this phase.

 

[S-Tier]

Ah true my bad.

I'm finding it hard to believe you have so many town reads in this phase.

Do you feel this way about Swiss as well? His reads have come to be the same as mine other than Allegory. I find it odd that you HAVENT gotten the town reads. I feel you're trying to keep options open. Like how do you not have an obv town read on Zapp, AM, and Soup by now.

 

[Swiss]

Swiss I answered that one as well my friend.

Quote, pro favor. I recall nothing of this.

 

[#HBC | J]

I did say I had town leans on Soupa/Zapp....

AM is odd because I haven't played with WL in a loooooong time so I have absolutely no clue yet. Most of the things they have posted aren't the most original nor have they been doing much themselves yet.

I usually tend to look at Swiss' scum-reads more than town-reads. I also don't recall a synergy between both your reads.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory (1) J
8. giraffelasergun (2) Swiss, S-Tier
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (4) GLG, AM, Soup, Dabuz
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, Zapp, Spidermang
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[S-Tier]

See no. You literally left your options open for every single player. You don't give a single direct stance. Everyone is null/leaning.

Swiss is leaning town. Allegory is leaning scum. GLG could be scum but then again I can hardly read him correctly ever. JTB is leaning town. Dabuz is null, Soupa I want him to be town but there's nothing concrete for me to keep that read so he's a lean for the town side. AM is null.

Most of the hydras are null. The hydra I like the most so far is probably Zapp regardless of how they are.

I also wouldn't mind losing TAWNN now that I think about the hydras.

glg could be scum
swiss is leaning town
i want soupa to be town
zapp i like regardless of how they are
allegory leaning

All of your options are left open.

I know town J by now would have some harder stances. Your line of questioning is also fake. Why are you asking Swiss who he would lynch out of TAWWN and Zapp if he has town reads on both of them and you have town/null reads on them?

 

[S-Tier]

Quote, pro favor. I recall nothing of this.

God you are slow this game. I seriously can't tell if all the sudden I got super better or if everyone else just got super slow. Seeing as Seph's reads are the same and even ahead of mine I'm looking towards the latter.

 

[S-Tier]

-ttgl in opposition with your town meta from other games.
-your theatrical entrance into the game. By theatrical i mean planned. It wasn't a natural entrance. It's shown by how you rvsd way after rvs had done and passed.
-your vote happiness and your need for approval "this is right yes?". You were trying to give the appearance of joining an incrowd wagon push for information. It was really fake looking though.
-finally your cling onto the first scum point you could find. Same as glg is doing. Scum looks for something to justify their vote and then defends it. Where as town looks for something and analysis it. You and glg are doing the former.

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[#HBC | J]

What?

That last line is not even true because if you even go back and check our hydra chats from our last couple of games you of all people would know I never have hard stances D1. At best, I have one solid scum-read or one/two good town reads.

If someone is leaning town, I'm not going to be lynching them soon especially over the scum-reads/nulls I have. Line of questioning is fake? I did not recall Swiss have town-reads on either slot and plus I even said I wouldn't mind losing TAWNN in a post or two afterwards in response to you. I also asked that question to see if he agreed which of the two were scummier, he seemed to have picked Zapp>TAWNN and that is something I don't really agree to but he is picking in between town-reads so yeah.

The only options I have said that I would like for the lynch toDay are Allegory/GLG/TAWWN(in the sense of they can go).

 

[Swiss]

...that was it?

I was expecting something smart.

Oh God that's amusing. I thought you...HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! This game has been making me laugh far too much.

 

[#HBC | J]

*I never have hard stances D1, regardless of alignment.

Forgot to add that in there. What you are trying to use as a scum-tell is one of my null-tells.

 

[Swiss]

Zen what happened to you, I'm sure you used to be respected.

 

[S-Tier]

...that was it?

I was expecting something smart.

Nah it was mainly me reaching out to you.

 

[S-Tier]

What?

That last line is not even true because if you even go back and check our hydra chats from our last couple of games you of all people would know I never have hard stances D1. At best, I have one solid scum-read or one/two good town reads.

If someone is leaning town, I'm not going to be lynching them soon especially over the scum-reads/nulls I have. Line of questioning is fake? I did not recall Swiss have town-reads on either slot and plus I even said I wouldn't mind losing TAWNN in a post or two afterwards in response to you. I also asked that question to see if he agreed which of the two were scummier, he seemed to have picked Zapp>TAWNN and that is something I don't really agree to but he is picking in between town-reads so yeah.

The only options I have said that I would like for the lynch toDay are Allegory/GLG/TAWWN(in the sense of they can go).

Yeeeeeah not like this. Don't like. You're scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

I feel enlightened by seeing your gracious deductive skills which have pointed you in my direction as scum apparently.

 

[S-Tier]

lol man. Xdijffdsiohd wow k I gotta talk this over with my other half. You're definitely my top read.

 

[#HBC | J]

While you are barking up the wrong tree, I'm going to go find scum. Kay thanks.

Time to get to work on looking more in-depth into Allegory.

 

[S-Tier]

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmph, well I just re-read Allegory and couldn't find exactly what was giving me the bad vibes surrounding him. The post that makes me wanna pressure him more is the one where he says that he is alright to be pressured. Most of his posts just come off cautious and not really full-gung-ho about what he is doing. He is in the background and hasn't really moved his vote from TAWNN, but the thing I thought he hadn't been doing he actually has been doing. (I thought originally he hadn't been pressuring him but he has also been pressuring others while remaining consistent with his TAWNN suspicion)

I'm not comfortable with having my vote on him.

Unvote

Swiss, what was it you were seeing that made you dislike Allegory?

Going to look at the popular wagons now (GLG/S-Tier) to see my opinion on where I may go. I also plan to look at TAWNN again.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Yeeeeeah not like this. Don't like. You're scum.

Seeing it

Vote: J

 

[zapp brannigan]

Seeing it

Vote: J

No Name, why is J scum?

 

[The Account With No Name]

Your scum-list seems too....easy for my tastes Zenny. You have GLG which is an easy one to lynch then Me/Glyph which are the inactives then there is JTB which you are trying to substantiate a majority of your read on him based around meta/a feeling that his RVS entrance was fake (really?) and Spidey which you've held onto since the beginning of the game yet have not done much more with delving into it.

The only options I have said that I would like for the lynch toDay are Allegory/GLG/TAWWN(in the sense of they can go).

Boy the hypocrisy here.
GLG he already said himself, is an easy one to lynch, there's Allegory (I'm sorry Allegory I have no idea), who isn't exactly the Dgames vet, and Me (a mehh player) + John (a mehh player).

All in all, J's reads right now are **** and useless if he were to die and we had to look at something (as S-T pointed out).

*I never have hard stances D1, regardless of alignment.

Forgot to add that in there. What you are trying to use as a scum-tell is one of my null-tells.

This almost made me barf because bringing in your own meta to defend yourself isn't good. There should be a concious effort on your side to get harder reads than what you have now on D1, and bringing in your meta and making excuses for it is NOT going to motivate you.

I feel enlightened by seeing your gracious deductive skills which have pointed you in my direction as scum apparently.

Nothing in particular to point, I just don't like this post. It feels like fake non-chalancy (is this a word?)

Hmph, well I just re-read Allegory and couldn't find exactly what was giving me the bad vibes surrounding him. The post that makes me wanna pressure him more is the one where he says that he is alright to be pressured. Most of his posts just come off cautious and not really full-gung-ho about what he is doing. He is in the background and hasn't really moved his vote from TAWNN, but the thing I thought he hadn't been doing he actually has been doing. (I thought originally he hadn't been pressuring him but he has also been pressuring others while remaining consistent with his TAWNN suspicion)

I'm not comfortable with having my vote on him.

Unvote

Swiss, what was it you were seeing that made you dislike Allegory?

All I see here is J nulling his read on Allegory while still keeping the option open of voting him later on. He then asks Swiss to basically HAND HIM THE SCUM READ ON A PLATTER. I can't tell you for sure, but the intention definitely seems to be here to switch to Allegory later on.

Going to look at the popular wagons now (GLG/S-Tier) to see my opinion on where I may go. I also plan to look at TAWNN again.

"Let's announce that I'll be going for the wagons that are already full and running so I don't have to look in other directions and bring forward new content."


This is why I am voting J

 

[#HBC | J]

Boy the hypocrisy here.
GLG he already said himself, is an easy one to lynch, there's Allegory (I'm sorry Allegory I have no idea), who isn't exactly the Dgames vet, and Me (a mehh player) + John (a mehh player).

All in all, J's reads right now are **** and useless if he were to die and we had to look at something (as S-T pointed out).

If you don't know Allegory then why say he is easy? Also why are you assuming that my reads are based on whether or not the player is easy. I'm not looking at you due to skill you realize that?

This almost made me barf because bringing in your own meta to defend yourself isn't good. There should be a concious effort on your side to get harder reads than what you have now on D1, and bringing in your meta and making excuses for it is NOT going to motivate you.[/1uote]

See thing is Zen should know how I play/know that I don't. We hydra alot together and know how the other works. I am making a conscious effort to improve my reads by going over them again, hence the Allegory post/looking into wagons.

Nothing in particular to point, I just don't like this post. It feels like fake non-chalancy (is this a word?)

It was complete sarcasm that went way over your head.

All I see here is J nulling his read on Allegory while still keeping the option open of voting him later on. He then asks Swiss to basically HAND HIM THE SCUM READ ON A PLATTER. I can't tell you for sure, but the intention definitely seems to be here to switch to Allegory later on.

No where in that post did I leave a backdoor in order for me to go to Allegory, if anything I closed that avenue for me toDay by saying that I don't feel comfortable in voting him. Why is it bad for me to null my read on Allegory? I am trying to find scum/town and if I change my mind on a slot, why/how is that scummy?

That is a blatant word twisting, The Account with No Brain. I asked Swiss for why he has a scum-read on Allegory because I don't really see it anymore. The intention is to switch back to Allegory? Where are you even getting this from?

"Let's announce that I'll be going for the wagons that are already full and running so I don't have to look in other directions and bring forward new content."

You like trying to make me look worse eh? I'm looking at the popular wagons because those are where the rest of town is looking, what's popular right now. Did you also leave up on purpose the fact where I wanted to look at your slot which hasn't really gotten much heat except from Allegory?

 

[The Account With No Name]

It was complete sarcasm that went way over your head.

Coming in to say that's not true. It's exactly that sarcasm that made the post sound so faked and non-chalant. You don't have to think that lowly of me that I'd take that serious ;_;

I'll get to the rest later. I'm still studying for a chemistry test and a few others coming up, so I'll be monitoring but not posting for the next few hours.

 

[Swiss]

J will crack out my Allegory scum read when I get back from work. Was he previously called Acrostic?

 

[The Account With No Name]

Yes, he was.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This game is weird.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually, nevermind. J bothers me more than S-tier right now.

unvote

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No Name, I like your case on J but I have a different perspective in seeing it, it's not about the reads. #585 from S-tier.

That last line is not even true because if you even go back and check our hydra chats from our last couple of games you of all people would know I never have hard stances D1. At best, I have one solid scum-read or one/two good town reads.

Self-meta. Nasty.