Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Swiss]

K.

Soup too quick to defend me?

No Name town.

Unvote

I see no reason to continue this further, You're stuck in your ways and arguing this point is going nowhere.

I'm gonna go grab some food and check the thread later.

Why didn't you simply leave your vote?

Once again, you're turning it around.
You're the one refusing to answer questions here.



assertive [əˈsɜːtɪv]
adj
1. confident and direct in claiming one's rights or putting forward one's views
2. given to making assertions or bold demands; dogmatic or aggressive

Don't see what's wrong with that.

****·y (kk)
adj. ****·i·er, ****·i·est
Overly self-assertive or self-confident.

Don't see what's wrong with that.

blunt (blnt)
adj. blunt·er, blunt·est
1. Having a dull edge or end; not sharp.
2. Abrupt and often disconcertingly frank in speech [...]
3. Slow to understand or perceive; dull.
4. Lacking in feeling; insensitive.

Don't see what's wrong with that.


Is telling you to answer my questions a bad thing? Even if it's said with a "less talk, more walk"?

You threw your will to cooperate out the door in your first post, then you're accusing me of doing so.
Then you say I'm not helping town, when it's you that's stopping an information flow.

What do you expect me to do, give you the right to decide the lynch and depend on you to win this game for me?
No. Fricking. Way.

Too eager to argue the null. Scrabbling for authority. Dislike.

Swiss, do you really think Spidey is trying to get thread power? Is that his intention?

Well, yeah. Unless he's a lot worse than I think he is. Which is entirely possible.

Mm, Soup. Odd #92. Want to townlean you though.

I forgot how bad Ran is....

Spider and Vanz town.

Come, Soup - let us become intimate.

Just finished reading posts 1-39. I find it odd that Spidermang comments on his first game with Swiss in his 12, I guess it shows that Swiss is "Famous" to some extent, maybe scary would be a better word considering Xonar's 12. He then asks for Swiss's opinion on a couple players in his 21. Why wouldn't he want to ask these questions to someone he has played with and is familiar with? Considering he just goes for voting Swiss in his 32 and then he pushes in his 36, it looks like he is hunting anti-town players ATM. I don't think Spidermang is reading intentions or thinking his posts through so I do not like him.

Swiss is null to me, this is just how he plays lol.

I only remember playing one game with you, Shining Force. Would you agree you seem to be very confident about my style for so little Swiss-exposure?

This is all kinds of wrong.


Vote: Zapp

What was the exact purpose of this vote?

That's the same. damn. thing.

He's pushing what he wants (and what is in best interest for the entire town).

So, what's bad about that? Why don't you just tag your posts? Give reasons or an answer.

Clarify the thought process here. Am I a town lean/read?

Dabuz town.

... That doesn't matter. He can ask anyone. It's not odd at all.

Nothing wrong with pushing aggressively either.

It feels like you are just trying to make Spidey look odd, and I don't like that.

Vote: Dabuz

wtf

Posting Swiss' comic and not even crediting him

Yeah.

Nah, **** you. I've barely consulted with Gorf and I'll let you know Soup's looking good already. You don't get to decide what hydras can and can't do. If he pulls hydra johns later, it's his fault.

Why?

Quote & explain.

I thought it was pretty obvious.

In general you idiot.

Who the **** deigned this rule? Letting you know who's talking at each point of the hydra is completely breaking the point of hydras in the first place.

Not you too...

wtf

A hydra plays as one, yes. But different parts of the hydra form their reads differently, they have their own player dislikes and still perceive the game differently. Different players react to different situations differently, regardless of the synergy. I should not have to explain this to you. There are too many hydras and chaos will ensue unless we impose order of some kind.

I also question why you did not bring this up wit me earlier but instead gnaw at JTB, an easier target.

No, because then you allow meta to get involved when it's already marred by the fact that it's a ****ing hydra. Even if, in that specific post, you can start applying meta, you're completely throwing out the fact that they're still talking to another player. After that point, meta cannot apply because actions a player normally may take can alter due to compromise or subordination to the other head.

I mean, I normally acknowledge people whenever they ask me for reasons but Gorf has this new tendency to dig his feet in the dirt nowadays. If I started doing that, it's weird for me, and you could call me on it. But it's completely in line for Gorf and you can't really get a straight answer if you asked them about it. They could just as easily lie because you can't see the ongoing communication outside the thread.

You talk as if I would be basing my read off meta.

Xonar and Swiss talking to each other, Xonar is looking very wonky. As WL said, it seemed almost like he tried to do the same thing he did to me in Math Blasters to Swiss this time, but to no avail.
A quote that made me read twice:



First of all, he completely ignores the explanation that Swiss just doesn't want to do stuff at work. Next up, he twists it into rebellion, as if Xonar is even something to rebel against. Lastly, he attributes anti-town to something like rebellion, COMPLETELY ignoring Swiss's personality, that he might rebel regardless of alignment.

Xonar's black-and-white views are something that have bugged me last game, and probably will this game.

Other than that, nothing that has already been pointed out.

Town. Walk with me.

Also, I do not 'rebel', I am the authority.

LyLo. Go there.

I forgot I was so good at this game.

> Just got a town read on myself.

5. JTB: I'm a sheriff this game. Would you shoot me?

Is this a pre-game joke?

Allegory come to me. You're smart. Cello would have liked you. Though this may well be a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

Confirming I got my role and understand the rules.

I'll post when I get back from walking my dog.

When and if GLG claims someone remind me about this post.

Vote: JTB

Oh man, Swiss please tell me you what I see.

This is curious. Go on.

Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.

@Zapp: Why don't you have a question for me or J in your post?

@J: How much longer is it until I start tunneling you until I die?

Not sure if dumb, scum or both.

@Zapp. We are. Let's be best friends.
@JTB: What are your thoughts on the spidey + Swiss ordeal? What is your read on both?
@Swiss: We aren't tagging.
What, do you want me to claim scum? lol

Spoiler

Nah I know you mean VT.

Grimy.

Scrap that tier town read. Think he's anti town.

League then full game analysis.

fml I'm good.

Acc don't tag your posts. Swiss needs to learn how to read people without meta. And yes Swiss, it is meta.

Our lynch pool for the day is: JTB > Spidey > glg > Glyph

Glyoh soley on inactivity. J would come after that, but we love him too much.

Not sure of serious....

Another player with a bad case of the 'In a hydra so will be cocky and think I'm good'.

Ahahahahahaha.

Please tell me this was Seph or Zen is playing worse than Shining Force.

Ah that raised a genuine laugh from me in the middle of a shop.

Got a great new hoodie, too.

AHAHAHHAHAAHA


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Ryker must be turning in his modding grave, to see his game butchered by so many idiots.

^

Jtb is scummy. He is very sheepy. Like he was appealing to consensus when he voted me by saying "This is correct, yes?" He doesn't really look for scum, he just bandwagons. All dai. I did like his vote on Dabuz tho.

Good. All hope for you is not lost.

Xoni why is Swiss making an appeal to credibility here? Or better said, why is he attempting to discredit my ability all of the sudden?

Hint: #277

I actually wasn't trying to discredit you. Your own posts discredit your ability far more than anything I could ever say would.

You're slow, obtuse, and think you're a clever gambitter.

Replace out Swiss. You're obviously town. If you aren't able to read this game, you're just wasting one of our slots.

Odd.

You'd rather me replace out than help me even when you believe me town.

Look man. I like you as a player. So if you do replace out, at least play with me an a small(er) game sometime. I promise I'll be non hydra.

I would have hoped to see more from you. I really liked your play in SF. That, I would get a SwissTown read. Luckily the vand side has a gut town read so i'm leaving it to him.

I calmed down. I'm not replacing out - I feel it my duty to act as IC. Also, Vanz - thankyou.

Swiss, talk to me. About anything. (Preferably game related)

Uh

Allegory what are your credentials? Link me to a previous game of yours. Drop the No Name answer thing. Tier's post was comic gold, but what did it tell you? You're hard to read; do you want to be copped, or tracked toNight?

Town: No Name, Zap,
Scum: GLG, Tier, Allegory

Soup nulltown
Spider null

Vote: S-tier

Well, ****. S-tier has really blew my expectations out of the water. I take what I said back Swiss, they're both scum.

Oh, good.

My Prince, my Son.

Swiss, let's be friends.

And so it was.

What's my JTB read? Indie or killing?

Ran you need to take a step back. You're being like your past self, asking questions that are no good. You seem to be really concerned about me saying that No Name could change because you think it contradicts my town read on him. The thing is I never cleared no lynch, which is how you are portraying it. I simply have a town read on him. You asked me the reasoning and I gave it to you. Now you're taking it as if I had this super strong town read on him because of it which is exactly why asking for people to unnecessarily elaborate on their town reads is counter productive. Acrostic is doing this same thing to No lynch. You asked No lynch his reasoning for his town read on me and now Acrostic is taking it as if he had cleared me. You see why I don't like your line of questioning? So again please stop asking questions like these. I've gotten to the point of skimming most of your posts.
I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies. I wanted to gauge whether or not Swiss switched on me because I told him I wont tag my posts or because he was indirectly defending JTB. I can have a town read on someone and still look into their motives. Not to do so would just be bad play. This is a response to both Brann & Soup as well by the way since all three you asked.
I'm genuinely confused about this post. What is comical about those choices?
Who is the other person you're referring to here?

(1)Where else have you seen someone claim unprovoked?
(2)If it is irrational, how is that a scum tell? If it's irrational for town, it's irrational for scum.
(3)You're stating that I did it to get reactions. Which is a town motivation. You didn't name one scum intention in this post. The bold is actually very telling of you.

Vote: glg

Mmm, I waver.

Was this Zen?

Allegory analyse this post.

Both of you, but I read the shenanigans earlier as Zen. This is Zen posting, right?

Oh, thank you. I also like your thought process.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/e06700ede46849eda8c73d35f0998713/l.jpg

It's lynch me and follow my reads after I die, or don't lynch me and follow my reads now. I don't care for one or the other. I'm not answering any of your questions/concerns.

Of course you care.

Soup you made me laugh IRL.

I'm not giving in to pressure. I really just don't care for debating against Brann. My reads are extremely spot on. It's way to frustrating attempting to debate with you all when your reads just aren't on par.

Plan: Play the douche that when any reasonable scum would surely back down

Flaw: It is obvious.

Verdict: Guilty.

Sentence: Execution.

Vote: S-Tier

I am very pleased that this town has moved in, generally, a good direction.

I confirm the presence of a jester in this game.

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ ()
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) S-Tier
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (2) Swiss, Spidermang
12. S-Tier (4) GLG, Soup, AM, Zapp
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, J, Dabunz
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

mfw

Vanz, I see the town tells, I really do...but, no.

Vanz your personal thoughts on Tier's claim?

K. This game is a cluster **** of weirdness atm. Ran you need to tone down the question asking, let others get a word in for a bit. I literally don't have a scum read atm, just a stack of Town ones.

Soup I think your case on Zen is reaching hardcore.

Who?

I want to lynch Tier, I really do. But there are town tells in his obtuse, vapid posts.

Vanz ignore the who question.

Zen, I'm confused. Last game we played town accepted my terms and worked with me - we won hard and fast, largely due to my reads. You know helping me helps town, yet you've stubbornly refused. Explain why.

Soup, Zap, AM, No Name are town.

GLG must die. Allegory and Tier still on my **** list. J, what's your restriction? The swearing?

Vote: GLG

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) Swiss
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J (1) S-Tier
11. Zapp Brannigan (2) Spidermang, FOOL
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, AM, Soup
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, J, Dabunz, Zapp
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[S-Tier]

http://animeuniverse.yolasite.com/resources/Chess Lelouch.jpg

 

[S-Tier]

Allegory when you answer my other question I'd also like to know what about day one of d1 you felt you needed to do better on, as you mentioned earlier.

 

[#HBC | J]

Restriction is called Disrespect. If I am found by either mod to be acting respectful towards any player, I lose my vote for 12 hours. If I vote in that time period, something happens that I wouldn't want to.

Ya dig? If not, too bad.

Scum: GLG, Allegory

I like this from you Swiss, did someone have to help you reach this? I want to put my vote on Allegory but I will have to research his posts more when I'm not drugged up. I just remember most of them leaving a bad taste.

Zen, you are playing extremely hectic this game.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm down with being pressured. However, I won't respond until tomorrow. Currently absorbed in What the Dog Saw and Robert Sapolsky's lecture series on the Neurological Origins of Individuality.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm down with being pressured.

Well alright then.

Vote: Allegory

Back to sleep.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Well alright then. Vote: Allegory Back to sleep.

You wound me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm down with being pressured.

So you think this is a good use of town's time?

 

[Spidermang]

So you think this is a good use of town's time?

AsdAsdAsd 2am

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm back from V/LA. Haven't read, and unless something really important has happened I probably won't until much later in the game.

Acrostic acknowledging that the votes on him are nothing but pressure ruins any and all merit that wagon might have since there's no real threat behind it. So fix that ****.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup~ is more weird than a scum lean, btw.

What sort of weird are we implying? Elaborate on it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not getting the pile-up on Allegory, or even the scum-reads. Someone fill me in on it.

 

[S-Tier]

Only one person is voting him.

J is scum by the way. Spider do you agree? There is a reason for this. I want to know if you can find it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

or even the scum-reads.

quote there

 

[Spidermang]

Mmmm, yes. I thought Ryker would give you what you want oh so much. What do you think of Spidermang and his sudden jump on you? It seems like you've got a target on your head this game already.

This post bugs me. I wouldn't call it a jump to butt heads with him. Soup misconstruing intent here.

Why do you ask this question?

Liked Zapp pointing this out, it bugged me too.

Vote: Zapp

This vote was reeeeeeeallly sheepy.

No, because then you allow meta to get involved when it's already marred by the fact that it's a ****ing hydra. Even if, in that specific post, you can start applying meta, you're completely throwing out the fact that they're still talking to another player. After that point, meta cannot apply because actions a player normally may take can alter due to compromise or subordination to the other head.

I mean, I normally acknowledge people whenever they ask me for reasons but Gorf has this new tendency to dig his feet in the dirt nowadays. If I started doing that, it's weird for me, and you could call me on it. But it's completely in line for Gorf and you can't really get a straight answer if you asked them about it. They could just as easily lie because you can't see the ongoing communication outside the thread.

MEGA-AGREE.

That said, I don't particularly care about making it public.

Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.

@Zapp: Why don't you have a question for me or J in your post?

@J: How much longer is it until I start tunneling you until I die?

Man, that analysis is shallow.

AM, Raz likes you. Your factoring is a mathematical miracle. Let us erase these hectopascals.

....

Care levels dipped around page 11.

Overall thoughts on playerlist for the moment from Raz's head:

Glyph - Null, post more.
AM - I like these men. Relevant insight on current events.
No Name - Fine with you so far.
JTB -

Soup - His early posts bother me. Slight scum lean.
Allegory - Under my radar. Null.
GLG - Do not want.
Dabunz - Has slipped away since his early pressure. Slight scum lean.
J - Not yet "In" the game... aside from a restriction I remember seeing? I want to see this proven, the penalty is low enough.
Zapp - Fine with you.
S-tier - Hrngh. Not sure if Gusta.
Swiss - Keep on swiss'in.

On overall events:

Hydra bull**** wasted a good amount of time. People deriving reads based on stances on that issue are barking up the wrong tree. I personally think signing defeats the point of a hydra, but I'll humour Swiss because it's not worth the effort to fight it.

Dislike the shenanigans caused by S-tier, but it exposed GLG, so that's swell.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@Swiss:

What about this;

you discuss things with your hydra partner before posting. I don't want you to throw out dumb **** then go all like "hurhur hydra john" because that's typically guus, lol.

Quote and explain this and my reaction to it, correct?

Simple: I don't like people dictating to hydras how they play. It comes off as armchair mafia critique and it needs to go away. If Nobody wants to play like ****, it's their fault.

A hydra plays as one, yes. But different parts of the hydra form their reads differently, they have their own player dislikes and still perceive the game differently. Different players react to different situations differently, regardless of the synergy. I should not have to explain this to you. There are too many hydras and chaos will ensue unless we impose order of some kind.

I also question why you did not bring this up wit me earlier but instead gnaw at JTB, an easier target.

I...guess? I still think you're going about this the wrong way, as simply requiring them to tag their posts isn't going to give you a 100% accurate picture of them.

Also because I was in reread mode and I get to things sporadically. I saw JTB's post first before I saw yours.

You talk as if I would be basing my read off meta.

Given your justification for it, it thoroughly came off as meta-based. Again, I don't know how you scum-hunt as I've never played a game with you for that long and honestly, I don't have time to go over games right now. I'll take your word on it though.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm down with being pressured. However, I won't respond until tomorrow. Currently absorbed in What the Dog Saw and Robert Sapolsky's lecture series on the Neurological Origins of Individuality.

I

what

what the hell

whgasht

i don't even

****ing

 

[Dabuz]

You guys all post so much ;_; BTW, i'm trying to catch up ATM.

 

[Dabuz]

Why no vote

I disliked Spidey's play up to that point, but I didn't have a scum read on him.

Duh, my gut. No need to be afraid if I have nothing besides that to show for it, right?

- Jim

I don't like -just- a gut read, without reason its completely fake content. Like, your here, you have an opinion, but it is a worthless opinion.

Acc don't tag your posts. Swiss needs to learn how to read people without meta. And yes Swiss, it is meta.

Our lynch pool for the day is: JTB > Spidey > glg > Glyph

Glyoh soley on inactivity. J would come after that, but we love him too much.

Reasoning for Spidey and GLG at the time of this post please. Not sure if I should consider this as trying to set up lynches for the future, or if part of trying to Goad Swiss.

What is your read on JTB Brann and No Name?

@Swiss: Are you ok with being copped tonight?

I am not willing to be copped. Why would I when you will not even sign your posts out of ignorance?

I really don't like this, why comment like that, town shouldn't have reason to be against getting copped. Can you tell me why town wouldn't be ok with getting copped?

Elaborating on town reads doesn't provide progress unless it's to convince someone else that will actually listen to your reasoning.
Nah I was just trying to gauge him and I liked it.

Honestly, this looks like a cop out to me on explain your reads.

1. Spidermang (Raz/Xonar) -
2. dtjglyphmoney - Have we played before?
3. Gorf's Fav Hydra Account/AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry) - Is this now AM?
4. The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4) - Guus, when have we played?
5. JTB - 'Sup, follow me.
6. Soup~ - Town?
7. Allegory - I like you have we played before?
8. giraffelasergun - Bad.
9. Dabunz - Less bad.
10. J - afk?
11. Zapp Brannigan - Vanz reign Ran in more.
12. S-Tier (Seph/Zen) - Bad, scum lean.
13. Swiss - Close to replacing

Thoughts. Nothing major.

Did not realise there were so many hydras before joining. Not enjoying this game in the slightest.

Any point to this post?

Replace out Swiss. You're obviously town. If you aren't able to read this game, you're just wasting one of our slots.

Ran I am happy to play this game, but the secrecy of hydras makes my read method much harder. Add that to the fact people get 10X cockier and instantly think they're good because they have a hydra partner and the game becomes a ****storm.

Tier, you...

I'm defeated, utterly defeated. I feel like I'm against a brick wall where no logic or reasoning will ever penetrate. Have you been reading this thread?

LMAOLMAOLMAO at this interaction

Die Pile (ie where scum resides)
5. JTB
1. Spidermang (Raz/Xonar)
8. giraffelasergun
2. dtjglyphmoney
10. J
9. Dabunz


Live Pile (ie who scum will be night killing.)
13. Swiss
3. Gorf's Fav Hydra Account/AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry)
4. The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4)
6. Soup~
7. Allegory
11. Zapp Brannigan
12. S-Tier (Seph/Zen)

I am out for now. No name could possibly move. Possibly. I like this for now though. I'll chime in here and there, but at this point I am ready for the day end, so I will mostly be waiting for that. If Glyph and J post their way out (or into staying in) the die pile, we will be in a good situation.

So confident on reads why? Trying to squeeze your way out of posting for the day why?

I want read the Jim side of the No Name hydra as town, but I really don't see it happening considering I feel while they're being openly honest with things, they also mitigate excuses for every action. I'm not sure how to read it exactly, I like the blunt attitude but I don't like feeling that someone who should be confident in what they post has to explain everything or make an excuse about it.

Yes, i'm implying a part of the read on me, I don't understand why No Name backed down from it after being pressured about it to an extent. No Name, are you just susceptible to pressure? You seem like that kind of person to me, and I want you to think aside of pressure or what the peanut gallery is saying to you. While conversing and understanding points that other people make is useful, being confident in yourself and the ability you have is also. Talk to me to me in this way, especially about your reads.

I don't like this post. Soup seems confused on No name's alignment, but he offers advice to TAWNN as if TAWNN is town and goes to the assumption that TAWNN succumbs to pressure. It is a way to "excuse" TAWNN if he falls to pressure asjust not being good at handling pressure. This looks like after game talk because if TAWNN is scum, taking Soup's advice makes TAWNN harder to find.

Soup, what is your read on TAWNN ATM? Provide reasoning with that read please.

I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me. First of all it's irrational to do, and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty. I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.

I don't like this logic. You automatically assume scum without looking at other possible intentions. I don't see how you proved any scum intention here, you just proved you fly with a gut read.

BTW, I cut out the rest of your post because you didn't accomplish anything useful in it.

I didn't mean to have a question mark. It's supposed to be "yes JTB is still my number one target"

I'm out. You are very welcome to lynch me. I've already narrowed down the scum team so there's not really much left for me to do in this game.

Are you ****ing kidding me

I don't like this. You try to seem cool by telling us that we can lynch you, but why would you say this? It seems you are trying to seem like apathetic town. If you really cared you would have tried to shown that you were really town but you are like "pfft just lynch me like I care"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/e06700ede46849eda8c73d35f0998713/l.jpg

It's lynch me and follow my reads after I die, or don't lynch me and follow my reads now. I don't care for one or the other. I'm not answering any of your questions/concerns.

...Sooooo anti-town.

I'm not giving in to pressure. I really just don't care for debating against Brann. My reads are extremely spot on. It's way to frustrating attempting to debate with you all when your reads just aren't on par.

This is just a horrible post. You are discrediting the ability of other players completely instead of trying to convince them. combined with this communication:

Sigh.

Zen, I want to know why you were acting that way after pressure, could you at least get to that for me?

Laziness honestly.

That excuse is BS. That is not townie, especially in a hydra account. If you are town you want to argue for your reads and you don't want to play so poorly that town has to waste a lynch on you because you feel like being lazy. The attitude sucks.

Side note: I did not like your vote on GLG in 392, it looked like an OMGUS.
Vote: S-Tier

Well alright then.

Vote: Allegory

Back to sleep.

What is the point of this?

@Swiss: To answer your question, I think you're a good player

What is scummy about Allegory's slot?

 

[Dabuz]

BTW, I am caught up so ask me any questions.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't like this post. Soup seems confused on No name's alignment, but he offers advice to TAWNN as if TAWNN is town and goes to the assumption that TAWNN succumbs to pressure. It is a way to "excuse" TAWNN if he falls to pressure asjust not being good at handling pressure. This looks like after game talk because if TAWNN is scum, taking Soup's advice makes TAWNN harder to find.

Soup, what is your read on TAWNN ATM? Provide reasoning with that read please.

Null, as it would imply in that post I made.

 

[S-Tier]

dabuz I liked that post. Not because of anything you said, but because of the red. Red is the color of sexy.

Reasoning for Spidey and GLG at the time of this post please. Not sure if I should consider this as trying to set up lynches for the future, or if part of trying to Goad Swiss.

Reasoning for Spidey was post #76. It was far too defensive. He originally appeared to be simply trying to battle for authority with Swiss up to that point, but that post was entirely aimed at preserving his image. He attempted to break down's Swiss' vocabulary in the post to show how he was good. Not to mention the manipulation of picking and choosing which definitions to use. Basically it served no purpose it what seemed to be his original intention, but rather to defend his image.

Reasoning for glg is his vote post which should be obvious. There is always reason for everything I do dabuz which is something you'll have to learn about me. Spontaneity is one of my key tools. Overtime, scum learn to hide behind commonalities that town plays by. When people are confronted with events outside these commonalities, that's when their true character/intentions are revealed best, when they have to act on the fly, unable to rely on prelaid foundations to hold them up. My claim to scumglg was like cheese to mouse.

So confident on reads why? Trying to squeeze your way out of posting for the day why?

What purpose does your first question serve?
You presupposing in your second question. That would be as if I were to ask you "you like men why?" You never said such a thing so I could not ask you why. Even if I were to assume it based on your actions.

That excuse is BS. That is not townie, especially in a hydra account. If you are town you want to argue for your reads and you don't want to play so poorly that town has to waste a lynch on you because you feel like being lazy. The attitude sucks.

ok

Side note: I did not like your vote on GLG in 392, it looked like an OMGUS.

How so? Do you disagree with the reasoning. If so point me to what you disagree with and why.

 

[S-Tier]

Not sure if I should consider this as trying to set up lynches for the future, or if part of trying to Goad Swiss.

I missed answering this. It was neither of these. They were my scum picks in order of scummy. By "our" lynch pool, I was referring to Zen and Seph.

This order is now glg > J > JTB > Glyph > Spidey.

Vote: glg

 

[JTB]

Ok, I read the first 11 or so pages then skimmed the last few when I was getting tired of reading.

First, questions that were posed to me (as late as they may be):

So your reason for not answering is pure rebellion?

That's not very town-like, is it?
I'm cool with starting you off.

Soup, you're here, vote him with me. I don't care about his ego, if he can't answer simple questions, then
http://i.imgur.com/sFjsQ.jpg

I'm not ready to call it anything, nor am I ready to vote. I want to interact with Swiss on a more personal level before I conclude anything.

Ego aside, what else do you think that is giving you such an alarming thought about Swiss? I feel like you're jumping the gun. RVS aside.

You scum?

Soup not voting Swiss with Spidermang isn't an issue at all, but what I don't like is that Spidermang expects everyone to follow his slot and those who disagree are scum. Considering this is only page 1/2 and far too early to get an accurate read on his slot, it raises a read flag for me. It also diverts from the initial argument that he was butting heads with Swiss just because they are in the same game to him asserting his influence over town.

>_>

I'm saying that you need to consult ****ing John before posting, because else you might get conflicting stances.

The context that this was posted is wrt Guus saying Soup is

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souper

town. What caught my eye is that Spidermang isn't questioning his read on Soup at all but rather telling him to play safe and consult his partner before throwing out a read. It gives me the impression Spidermang is still trying to assert his influence over people because he doesn't agree with townSoup.

I like Spidey.

I don't like Soup. I don't like Dabuz.

Vote: Soup

Your vote on Spidey is stupid. You seem to be voting on sides, and nothing is wrong with Spidey pressuring Swiss to answer his questions. I think they are very good questions too. What is your opinion on Swiss?

Swiss if you are at work STOP ****ING READING THE THREAD. GO TO WORK YOU SLACKER.

Swiss, do you really think Spidey is trying to get thread power? Is that his intention?

This vote is so bull****. Swiss stated he was at work and didn't have the time to answer the question just yet. At that moment, any further pressure from Spidey was unnecessary, but he still kept pushing for the sake of ego. The vote from Soup was definitely warrented, but your vote on Soup was not. You even state that you know that Swiss is at work, the main reason why he wasn't answering Spidermang, but you see Soup's vote as scummy. It's a nasty vote on your part and I'm keeping it in mind.

... That doesn't matter. He can ask anyone. It's not odd at all.

Nothing wrong with pushing aggressively either.

It feels like you are just trying to make Spidey look odd, and I don't like that.

Vote: Dabuz

Another vote that I hate. What I don't like in particular is the wording you use. Dabuz isn't trying to make Spidey look scummy, but odd. But the vote also stems back to the pressure from Spidey on Swiss.

I do agree his actions were very on the surface. He didn't wait for Swiss to answer, he instead ignored his work comment, and kept pushing. I don't really know what he would do as town/scum seeing as I have never played with him before. Nor do I really know his intentions. I actually never thought of it in that way. You know, trying to 'power play' and all. Might make sense that he is trying to get town cred by over powering Swiss.

Ugh, I can't tell if it's possible to come to differing conclusions wrt Spidey pushing Swiss while ignoring the work johns and if that's why I don't like Zapp.

As I said before, I'll get back to you when I've talked to John.

Nasty. Guus came up with the read on his own and refuses to explain it. There should be no need for talking to John, he's playing

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souper

safe instead.

This is why we're gonna sign posts; to avoid confusion and assumptions like these. That was me posting.

And the Soup town thing was half a joke and also just a feel that he was playing similar to MB where he played a good town game.
Other than that I/we have S-T town and Dabuz on a scum gut.

And I don't like that weak reasoning for townSoup warranted talking to John before explaining it to us.

Vote: JTB

As of this post, was your reasoning for voting me because of TTGL meta?

@JTB: Your votes are very loose. You vote TAWNN in your 135, vote zap in your 144, you vote me in your 197. What do YOU think of S-Tier claiming?

S-Tier claiming at that moment was null for me and I don't see how you could get anything else from it. I felt GLG was reaching pretty hard and didn't actually explain why it's scummy for S-tier to claim other than "it's silly to claim right off the bat and I don't trust people."

Ok Then, I will pose this question to Ran. Why vote me without applying additional pressure?

This was the post I was looking for before I placed my vote on you. When you said you couldn't give answer my question about Zapp's vote on you yet, I figured that you were attempting to extract some sort of information from him before outing a read. But you hadn't asked Zapp anything at all and was just letting things play out. It's called distancing and if either of you flip scum later on, I will immediately look to the other as their scummate.

@Zapp. We are. Let's be best friends.
@JTB: What are your thoughts on the spidey + Swiss ordeal? What is your read on both?
@Swiss: We aren't tagging.
What, do you want me to claim scum? lol

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Nah I know you mean VT.

Thoughts above. Swiss was null, Spidey leaning scum.

Right, I am looking at it though and I see the way he claimed as a town-tell

How was the way that S-Tier claimed in a town tell?

Yes JTB is still my number one target?

Then why is your vote on GLG?

 

[JTB]

gonna delve back into the thread after a short break

not sold on scumS-Tier just yet

zapp is an enigma

I like Acrostic

others will come later

 

[zapp brannigan]

OMY GAWD DA WALLS.

Swiss:

Can you explain exactly what you were referring to when you said I was bad? Just cuz I wanna know WHY you were saying that, and also to see what I may need to improve still.

Also yea, wat da hell mang. Allegory is legit. Y he scum?

What made you waver when Zen was like "Ran you are being your old self blah blah blah"

Yes. I really want to lynch S-tier damn it. Plz convince vandy. I'll do the same once he gets online.

I like Swiss.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Jtb, I will get to you soon.

Dabuz, I like the direction he is going with S-tier. But I'm keeping an eye on him. His vote on S-tier seems like just a possible ruse to get on S-tier.

Swiss, has Dabuz played the same way in Shining Force? Also consider I skimmed everything in that game so I don't remember what he did/his playstyle. Just that he was passive or something.

 

[zapp brannigan]

As of the time when you made this post, I had Swiss as null. I found that the exchange between Spidermang and himself didn't really show an indication of his alignment as the conversation turned into Spidermang pushing a weak argument over and over. I'll have a better read on Swiss later on when I completely finish catching up.

On the other hand, I didn't like Spidermang at all during the conversation, particularly when Soup entered it as all.

Ah ok thank you.

This vote is so bull****. Swiss stated he was at work and didn't have the time to answer the question just yet. At that moment, any further pressure from Spidey was unnecessary, but he still kept pushing for the sake of ego. The vote from Soup was definitely warrented, but your vote on Soup was not. You even state that you know that Swiss is at work, the main reason why he wasn't answering Spidermang, but you see Soup's vote as scummy. It's a nasty vote on your part and I'm keeping it in mind.

I didn't see it as warranted. I felt like Soup was just picking sides because the reasoning here:

You can't let him do that, and frankly, I can't let him do that.

Vote: Spidermang

Didn't make sense to me and sounded like some excuse to get on Swiss's side.

Can you explain why you feel Soup's vote was warranted?

Another vote that I hate. What I don't like in particular is the wording you use. Dabuz isn't trying to make Spidey look scummy, but odd. But the vote also stems back to the pressure from Spidey on Swiss.

So what? I assume when he means odd, that he means suspicious. No, the vote stems back to Dabuz asking someone about swiss, as if everyone should know that Swiss is Swiss so it's ok. You got me?

Ugh, I can't tell if it's possible to come to differing conclusions wrt Spidey pushing Swiss while ignoring the work johns and if that's why I don't like Zapp.

I am a bit confused. Can you clarify?

Just so you know, I said I liked Spidey's push because I like people asking about others they haven't played with before. Shows that person would be trying to find ways to discern alignment.

I took the pushing the argument after the work johns further to be null, and just stubborness.

 

[zapp brannigan]

****. That was supposed to be @JTB.

Also that underlined text is Soup's quote.

 

[JTB]

His reasoning for picking Swiss' side was because Spider was pushing Swiss on answering the questions about other players when Swiss had already claimed work johns for not answering. At that point, it had turned into Spider trying to assert his influence over the other players.

What we seem to be confused on is Spiders push. I don't have an issue with him pushing Swiss but once Swiss admitted to be at work and wouldn't have any content at the time being, the push should've ended.

 

[JTB]

dabuz, what is your read on Zapp now? Or are you not able to answer me yet? I didn't see any mention of him in your catch-up post, so I figure you have something now.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Ah ok, thank you for clarifying. That makes sense. I'll concede to that actually. It was just a misunderstanding.

I actually agree that his push should have ended there.

 

[JTB]

Gonna peace out for tonight, got work early in the morning and it's already past my self imposed bed time. I'll be back in the afternoon.

 

[S-Tier]

not sold on scumS-Tier just yet

but y even say this even?

 

[S-Tier]

As of this post, was your reasoning for voting me because of TTGL meta?

-TTGL in opposition with your town meta from other games.
-Your theatrical entrance into the game. By theatrical I mean planned. It wasn't a natural entrance. It's shown by how you RVSd way after RVS had done and passed.
-Your vote happiness and your need for approval "this is right yes?". You were trying to give the appearance of joining an incrowd wagon push for information. It was really fake looking though.
-Finally your cling onto the first scum point you could find. Same as glg is doing. Scum looks for something to justify their vote and then defends it. Where as town looks for something and analysis it. You and glg are doing the former.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Weird how people vocalize GLG hate RIGHT AFTER Swiss huh

Naw but seriously have I been skimming or is there reason behind it? I'll try and read for it when I get home but a nice lil' summary would be sweet.

 

[Swiss]

Tier you failed to respond to my questions. Respond.

 

[Swiss]

Restriction is called Disrespect. If I am found by either mod to be acting respectful towards any player, I lose my vote for 12 hours. If I vote in that time period, something happens that I wouldn't want to.

Ya dig? If not, too bad.



I like this from you Swiss, did someone have to help you reach this? I want to put my vote on Allegory but I will have to research his posts more when I'm not drugged up. I just remember most of them leaving a bad taste.

Zen, you are playing extremely hectic this game.

This made me laugh out loud. GG.

 

[#HBC | J]

J - Not yet "In" the game... aside from a restriction I remember seeing? I want to see this proven, the penalty is low enough.

Penalty is unknown so how do you even think you know how it will play out? I'd be willing to test it but I have no clue what will happen. Depends on how the rest of the town sees it.