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Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

zapp brannigan

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Well at first I took it as a joke.

Ok. If he REALLY is jester, we would have to hope he gets vigged. He SHOULD get vigged, cuz then he can't win if he really is Jester.

Ah ok I gotcha. If we had to I'd simply lynch No Name because of their weird interaction. But I'd have to talk to Vandy to really decide on a lynch choice if it ain't S-tier.

AM any opinions/ideas as to what the hell can be going on?
 

Gova

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I also confirm the presence of a governor in this game.

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ ()
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) S-Tier
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (2) Swiss, Spidermang
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, AM, Zapp
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, J, Dabunz, Soup
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).
 

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All players that were fooled receive a MOD vote.

1. Spidermang ()
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (1) FOOL
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB ()
6. Soup~ (1) FOOL
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun (1) S-Tier
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (3) Swiss, Spidermang, FOOL
12. S-Tier (4) GLG, AM, Zapp, Soup
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, J, Dabunz
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).
 

zapp brannigan

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Ah screw it uni work is mad boring.

@S-Tier: I second the motion for you and Seph to post in different colours. I want my obvtown Zen read as I can get it.

I'm not saying his ENTIRE play wasn't scumhunting, but that Swiss thing seemed, and still does seem, mad opportunistic.
True (and I understand what you're saying), but my point is, Gorf calling Ran out on not scumhunting (either that one post or his whole play) is a very weird accusation to be making. Note that in the post I quoted, Gorf doesn't mention anything about Ran being opportunistic, he's accusing him of being "contradictory" and not "practicing what he preaches." Telling ran he's being opportunistic is a legit accusation to make, but Gorf was saying something weird in that post and it irks me a little.

Also whichever one of you guys is doing about 10 posts in a row to catch up, would it kill ya to do it in one post? Not a major issue but the more posts the less time we have to spend digging around for stuff later on.

Claiming VT off the bat, he's STUCK to that claim.
Has this really gone over everyone's head except Swiss and I?

Vote: S-tier

Well, ****. S-tier has really blew my expectations out of the water. I take what I said back Swiss, they're both scum.
Ran you need to explain to me why you like soup.

You're like a big of chex mix, be more coherent with what you're feeling. Why do you imply dis-taste for Swiss then completely change your opinion after being called out by him? It really shows a fake attitude towards him, almost that you fear him.
Whaaaattt.

Because they were being pretentious and trying to goad Swiss when they should both know that doesn't work. They literally did the same damn thing Spidermang did, context in all.

hurr durr pressure swiss with fake appliance so we can read him
I forgot, did you call out Spidermang on doing this? Show me where you did.

And this is why. Your play has a lot of sincere analysis that's trying to flesh out a read without jumping to conclusions hastily or forcing any assumptions that shouldn't be there. Your logical progression is good and the questions you're asking are on the mark and beneficial to town.

As for Nobody, I dunno how to read him. I've kinda been ignoring him as his input's rarely been valuable or useful. After this, I'll go back and focus on him more. He hasn't made much of an impact on my reads.
I agree with this.


Ran you need to take a step back. You're being like your past self, asking questions that are no good. You seem to be really concerned about me saying that No Name could change because you think it contradicts my town read on him. The thing is I never cleared no lynch, which is how you are portraying it. I simply have a town read on him. You asked me the reasoning and I gave it to you. Now you're taking it as if I had this super strong town read on him because of it which is exactly why asking for people to unnecessarily elaborate on their town reads is counter productive. Acrostic is doing this same thing to No lynch. You asked No lynch his reasoning for his town read on me and now Acrostic is taking it as if he had cleared me. You see why I don't like your line of questioning? So again please stop asking questions like these. I've gotten to the point of skimming most of your posts.
I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies. I wanted to gauge whether or not Swiss switched on me because I told him I wont tag my posts or because he was indirectly defending JTB. I can have a town read on someone and still look into their motives. Not to do so would just be bad play. This is a response to both Brann & Soup as well by the way since all three you asked.
I'm genuinely confused about this post. What is comical about those choices?
Who is the other person you're referring to here?

(1)Where else have you seen someone claim unprovoked?
(2)If it is irrational, how is that a scum tell? If it's irrational for town, it's irrational for scum.
(3)You're stating that I did it to get reactions. Which is a town motivation. You didn't name one scum intention in this post. The bold is actually very telling of you.

Vote: glg
Town tells. Town tells everywhere.

Still reading. Zen let's be town buddies again. AM you too.
 

zapp brannigan

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I find your GLG vote a bit weird too, I found GLG's response genuine and the explanation insightful, I don't think there was a lot of reason to simply claim your role just because your hydra partner didn't get the PM. All that did was create a blanket of wifom.
Soup is this your thought or are you agreeing that what GLG said was genuine?


I don't get it someone enlighten me.

I didn't mean to have a question mark. It's supposed to be "yes JTB is still my number one target"

I'm out. You are very welcome to lynch me. I've already narrowed down the scum team so there's not really much left for me to do in this game.
Whaaaaattt is this Zen. You're just being silly now.

I'm just literally baffled at this, there has to be some reason Zen is doing this. He is not this bad and I refuse to believe that him just sitting down and taking it doesn't have sort some of background meaning to it, perhaps regarding his role.
This x1000000000

I'm fine with lynching them if they don't start playing ball. Gonna re read them again


Vote: S-Tier
 

S-Tier

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Unvote

Ran I'm not ok with our S-Tier vote.

And lol at these mod votes.
I may just play the game now.

I wont differentiate as you requested. Though you're welcome to ask about specific posts if you aren't sure. The reason I wont do so is because we discuss each of our reads posting so we wont be having different opinions. As I do with all my hydra partners, I let them have the final say in everything so there is never any conflict. For the record all of the posts so far have been by me. Seph is V/LA for a bit. Furthermore, I tailor the way I play for each hydra as if it has a personality of its own. It allows me to play with different styles. Displaying ourselves as individual Zen and Seph defeats that so I'm not doing so.

This is not a bad thing. There is no reason you should not be able to still read our intentions. For one, it is still generally clear who is posting in a hydra. For two it's not as if you can not judge intentions from someone you've never played with before. Simply treat hydras as someone new that you're playing with. You'll be able to pick up intentions/tells that are specific to that hydra just as you are with any other person.
 

zapp brannigan

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Yeah, I don't get this. And you're ignoring the fact he had a scum intention with the fact you did claim your role, you ignoring his explanation and merely going tunnel-vision on him makes your slot that worse for me.
I get you've got Zen as a scum read but why are you jumping down his throat here? This defence of glg is weird Soup.

Also, I'm sure I asked you to explain something about Swiss vs Spider earlier. Can you still do this please?

@Zen: Ok. So all posts have been you so far? Weird cos I swore I sensed some Seph in their. Has he had any input yet?
 

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K. This game is a cluster **** of weirdness atm. Ran you need to tone down the question asking, let others get a word in for a bit. I literally don't have a scum read atm, just a stack of Town ones.

Soup I think your case on Zen is reaching hardcore.
 

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I'm baffled by how anyone can not see this as a scum post. He's attempting to substantiate his vote, but he really gives not a single reason at all.
I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me.
This is his main point. The rest are the supporting details to show why it screams scum to him. Yet they don't. It just leads into a circle:
First of all it's irrational to do
Soup think about this as if you were making this point against me. Where is the scum intention behind this reason? It's a blank/empty reason that he is providing to look as if he can substantiate his view. Just because someone gives you an answer with words doesn't indicate that there is actually meaning behind it. He could have very well typed a huge paragraph about how the sky is blue. He's providing a blank answer. There is no real thought process behind it. Believing that the claim was irrational has nothing to do with motivations behind claiming. Just as the sky being blue has nothing to do with motivations behind claiming. He's providing words, but there is nothing behind them.
and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty.
"and secondly people are thought to be town until the sky is blue."
Seriously Soupa do you even know what he is saying here?

Those are his two reasons for his main point. They are both blank reasons that lead one to believe he is substantiating his claim, but really typing words. He does not have a true thought process behind ite is not truly attempting to view our motivation/intentions/guiltlessness.

He then attempts to back up his push by taking down the view that it should be null. But he screws up by doing this as it completely contradicts the so called "reasons" of his suspicions in the first place:
I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.
He is specifically stating that we obviously had intentions for claiming. This is a direct contradiction to his point of irrationality (which again isn't even legitimate thought). This shows that his thought process is none existent. It is just his attempt at posting substance on his "push".

Really Soup, I'd expect you to get this.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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About time. I'd love to trade a wall with you, Zen.

glg said:
Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me.
This is his main point. The rest are the supporting details to show why it screams scum to him. Yet they don't. It just leads into a circle:
Alright, i'll bite.

glg said:
First of all it's irrational to do
Soup think about this as if you were making this point against me. Where is the scum intention behind this reason? It's a blank/empty reason that he is providing to look as if he can substantiate his view. Just because someone gives you an answer with words doesn't indicate that there is actually meaning behind it. He could have very well typed a huge paragraph about how the sky is blue. He's providing a blank answer. There is no real thought process behind it. Believing that the claim was irrational has nothing to do with motivations behind claiming. Just as the sky being blue has nothing to do with motivations behind claiming. He's providing words, but there is nothing behind them.
If we're going to look at the context and intentions of things, look at how he is discerning his opinion. 'Irrational.' What does irrational mean in this lovely world of english? Not logical, or unreasonable. He has stated his opinion of you before, and this is his very first jump:

glg said:
Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.
Did I just hit a bullseye in reading consistency and intention of people? Damn straight I did.
True, he sky is blue and he could have made a whole paragraph as to why it is, but even if he did you have to ask; Why is the sky blue in the first place? What may seem logical to some people, may not to others, even if there is truth in the matter.

Your whole case on GLG so far as that his logic does not live up to your standards of your own.

(1)Where else have you seen someone claim unprovoked?
(2)If it is irrational, how is that a scum tell? If it's irrational for town, it's irrational for scum.
(3)You're stating that I did it to get reactions. Which is a town motivation. You didn't name one scum intention in this post. The bold is actually very telling of you.
Don't tell me that you were playing with your head six feet under when you typed this, you're responsible for any content given and i'm not going to let that excuse fly.

It is true that in any given world, nobody will always agree with each other, and people may see things differently, and that may cause resentment. Why are you ignoring the bulk of his intentions? Stating something has a purpose and sometimes that purpose may not be well thought out. I, can clearly see that GLG has not given much thought to this, and that yes, it is blank, but the genuine opinion is what strikes me as town. This read of his on you isn't something that is faked, and that is what i'm looking at.

GLG said:
and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty.
"and secondly people are thought to be town until the sky is blue."
Seriously Soupa do you even know what he is saying here?

Those are his two reasons for his main point. They are both blank reasons that lead one to believe he is substantiating his claim, but really typing words. He does not have a true thought process behind ite is not truly attempting to view our motivation/intentions/guiltlessness.

He then attempts to back up his push by taking down the view that it should be null. But he screws up by doing this as it completely contradicts the so called "reasons" of his suspicions in the first place:
I still attest to what I posted above, I suggest you read it to understand my argument. I agree that this part of the reasoning is complete rubbish, however.

I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviouslywhen they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.
Remember, this is actually in response to me, I believe. The bolded implies some thought towards it, he's not exactly blind but what he's doing is stating his opinion. I cannot defend someone being chalant with their reasonings, but I will defend them when I feel their motivation is clear, it's just exactly presented well.

Do you understand what i'm getting at here?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Posting at 5 am, I apologize in full about any grammatical errors.
 

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What I feel you're looking at right for GLG is "what is he trying to do?' not "what did he do?"

They're both completely different, the former is effect, the latter is cause. The cause of his post is that he finds your intention to claim randomly, Irrational, to put it in his own vocabulary. The effect is to merely back up any feeling that he had about it. Hell, I think I even seen the guy say 'Well It's kinda hard to explain' or in some matter like that.

Let's use this topic and talk about your other read, JTB. Your reasoning so far about him is that 'His meta is like TTGL.' You are again thinking "what is he trying to do?" not "what did he he do?" What has JTB to be worth any vote? What has he done to be worth any investigation. nothing. The man is null, and you could combat this, but I guess it's just how I feel.

This is where I crush you, because clearly you're not looking into things with a clear mind, your play so far has made no sense and you yourself are now grasping at anything you can get.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Is it scummy? Am I the one to call you guilty? [/i]no.[/i]

But i damn well am not going to let you get away with such bull**** like your latest play, especially the way you acted after being pressured. Tell me, if you're playing at your full potential now, you have no reason to hide why you were holding back. enlighten me.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Also, I'm sure I asked you to explain something about Swiss vs Spider earlier. Can you still do this please?
Yeah, I need to do a couple of things still. Sorry.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I forgot, did you call out Spidermang on doing this? Show me where you did.
It's not exactly the same, regarding myself, but both of them are pretty cut-throat.

#39-#69 Is the bulk of the argument.

I do like this though, and It makes me want to re-read Spidermang. They both have different ways of goading Swiss.

Swiss said:
You will.

I promise you that.
Less talk, more walk.

Answers.
My damn face when Swiss just leaves the thread without answering.

Vote: Swiss
Swiss said:
Oh please do not attempt patronise or control me. You don't get to tell me what to do. No-one does, not even Ryker...much.

I will provide content in good time, and when I am not at work. If you have an issue with this, feel free to vote me and attempt my lynch. If not - expend your effort elsewhere.

So your reason for not answering is pure rebellion?

That's not very town-like, is it?
I'm cool with starting you off.

Soup, you're here, vote him with me. I don't care about his ego, if he can't answer simple questions, then
Going to stop there, and fast-foward:

S-tier said:
@Swiss: We aren't tagging.
Quote:
Originally Posted by giraffelasergun
It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.
What, do you want me to claim scum? lol

Nah I know you mean VT.
Swiss said:
Scrap that tier town read. Think he's anti town.

League then full game analysis.
S-tier said:
Swiss said something about s-tier being bad quote here bull****

MOVING ON

Woah did you really just scum slip this early. This whole post implies you know I'm town. Comparing the play to Shining Force.
#277 from them here.

Xoni why is Swiss making an appeal to credibility here? Or better said, why is he attempting to discredit my ability all of the sudden?

Hint: #277
A bit more of interaction stirs up #272-#295

Replace out Swiss. You're obviously town. If you aren't able to read this game, you're just wasting one of our slots.
Ugh. I don't know how to feel about this anymore when I really look at it. I kind of like this from S-tier, the intention to goad swiss has more meaning rather than spidey.

I have put myself in a battle of wit with myself again. This is why I don't post a lot, folks.

I will still retain my thoughts previously though, but I am looking at this with another outlook. S-tier may be close to an unvote if his responses to my recent qualms satisfies.
 

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*****in.

I'd like to get legit responses to my wall, though, and the ramble afterwards.
 

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Soup there's really nothing to respond to about it. You're town. I'm town. We disagree and nothing more.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Sigh.

Zen, I want to know why you were acting that way after pressure, could you at least get to that for me?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Not cutting it, Zen. My vote isn't changing until I get what I want.
 

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Getting at this again when i'm not tired, going to bed.
 

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Alright I'll be catching up and responding to things as I go.

Don't have a lot of time so let's see how far we come.

I also made two sweet flow charts for you guys.


And one about day 1!


Now let me read.
 

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1. Spidermang (Raz/Xonar): Who is the easiest to read in this game? I want your read on them by the end of Day 1
No idea. Zen maybe? I'm reasonably new to the "new dGames" scene and haven't played with that many people, plus the fact that people rapidly improve or I haven't seen their scum play.

Sooo I guess Zen. But he's teamed with Seph. I don't know s--- about Seph.
 
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