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Swiss, let's be friends.Ran I am happy to play this game, but the secrecy of hydras makes my read method much harder. Add that to the fact people get 10X cockier and instantly think they're good because they have a hydra partner and the game becomes a ****storm.
Tier, you...
I'm defeated, utterly defeated. I feel like I'm against a brick wall where no logic or reasoning will ever penetrate. Have you been reading this thread?
This logic is rubbish. No name, please do better than this.I never said it was wrong to ask, it's just that I'm lazy and don't want to spell it out every time. Do you ever look and wonder "where did that town read come from?" and then think for yourself.
Claiming VT off the bat, he's STUCK to that claim. If he were scum and the fires of a lynch were licking his heels, he'd rather have a claim ready to save his ***, wouldn't you think? "But can't scum do that too?" Yes scum can do everything a townie does. Doesn't mean that it's not very risky.
I mean, maybe it's not a town-tell, it just goes to show he's not scum. Indy is still possible but that's for D2.
The rest of his play hasn't shown anything for me to think otherwise.
First time i've agreed with Ranmaru. Even if i can see the sarcasm, the intention is more than enough to feel like it was forced, but the biggest thing I don't understand is the need to play overly zealous.I also don't like how he backpeddaled with Swiss. He just said "Yeah you're obvtown" most likely because of how Swiss reacted towards him. I didn't think that was grounds for him to change his read. Seemed forced.
Because they were being pretentious and trying to goad Swiss when they should both know that doesn't work. They literally did the same damn thing Spidermang did, context in all.Right, I am looking at it though and I see the way he claimed as a town-tell
Yes, but I don't need to know what everyone thinks of me all the time. It's fine if he wants to move me without providing reasoning. The moment he tries to lynch me without a good reason though, I will care.
I've noticed these, but pinning a bull**** scum read on Swiss is hardly something that shows he's not town.
Not answering you was kinda eh, because I can understand why you don't want to answer (if you're lazy), but still eh.
And on his 180 on Swiss; Reads change a lot, especially D1. But there seems to be no harm in asking.
S-Tier, why the change from Swiss making scumslips etc. to obvtown?
Dissapointed.S Tier seems town.
Agreed.Dissapointed.
What's not to like? You're a zetta sexy digit, I wouldn't mind multiplying with your binomials.Swiss we haven't played before, I believe this is the first game. Why do you like me? If it is based on my play, then I'd be surprised. I think that I could have used the first day of D1 better.
And this is why. Your play has a lot of sincere analysis that's trying to flesh out a read without jumping to conclusions hastily or forcing any assumptions that shouldn't be there. Your logical progression is good and the questions you're asking are on the mark and beneficial to town.In a bit of a rut with some things and unsure of how to proceed. If someone wants to drop some hints, it would be appreciated. S-Tier's #257 was pure comic gold with his lynch choices of JTB, Spider, gira, and Glyph. I admit that I was a bit ecstatic when you read me as town, but then I saw No Name above me and chuckled.
No Name I'm still disturbed by the fact that it took so long to delay giving me such a nonchalant answer. I don't take your explanation at face value at all that it was just a joke. For one, if it was a joke why did you really need to check with John to give you the green light to share it? For me, this screams safe play and being way too conscious about what information you're giving to the town. I would like to state that I didn't read carefully the first time with your interaction with Spidermang which you respond with the following when he treats your position as one being legitimate and with stances:
I honestly do not understand why you wouldn't just reference your #52 in response to my pressure on asking you to elaborate on a read.
For me this interaction poses two problems. The first problem is that your interaction with Spidermang strikes me as being out of place. It seems like after Spidermang criticized your approach to the game, you decided to drastically shift how you decided to play the hydra. I don't understand why you allowed to cave in to Spidermang or allowed his words to have such a clout that you would slow roll me an explanation for your previous play.
The second problem I have is that you had no reason to slow roll me an explanation, since you already had provided one. More or less the one that you already gave Spidermang which you could have nonchalantly references when I requested it. I would have expected you to go, "Hey stupid, look, I already stated this, learn to read." Or something along those lines. Subsequent play before my second press on you had been you releasing another town read.
Other than a few oddball moments where Soup just went ahead and started following the crowd for little discernible reason, he's had some solid play. I haven't looked at anything regarding S-Tier that he's done but like his play has been usually solid work. I haven't seen anything bad from him outside of what I said. This certainly isn't ****bag Soup who likes to **** around for the first five pages of the game posting stupid images and making dumb comments, to say the least. Maybe Soup's become more methodical and business-like, but I certainly don't have the experience to back that up.AM is the same as S-tier, ironically. I've been having some trouble reading Soupa as Washed listed him as "good start" and I was reading Soupa as having a bad start when the game started.
Ding ding ding.AM gave me a better context to look at Spidermang's play, which is a simpler interpretation that held Spider to a higher standard of play. Not sure if I'm caving in to popularism, but the idea that Spidermang deserves to be pressured for his poor push on Swiss, makes the Soup slot more understandable.
To make a point, I didn't, and the reason for this is that the question was a throw-away question. There wasn't anything meaningful Spidey wanted to gain out of it, so Spidey literally could've asked him anything and the objective would've been the same.I also liked the concept of him asking Swiss for reads on three players he hasn't played with. I said this before. I'm the type to try and get reads on people I haven't played with (such as rvs votes)
Do the math! If your reads are inconsistent, you're going to appear scummy for it. This kind of wishy-washy, flip-flopping bull**** just makes me cringe.When I say someone is going town for me after 3 posts, you shouldn't assume I already cleared that person. I understand the the part about him not caring about my pressure now, didn't look at it that way.
As for Dabuz; That was John's gut feeling and I had no more from him than a gut feeling either. John and I don't get to communicate a lot due to time zones and schedules. I can't push Dabuz now.
There's no more, just that.
Basically, in MB, I got the balls a lot for *****footing and never laying down my reads, so I decided to post them as I got them this time. Guess that's not the way to go either...
We'll keep town reads to ourselves now unless they're needed or something.
Where did I call him scummy?
Alright, thanks, that's useful.Yeah, i would say that's the jist of it but I also like challenging him and playing a game of monarchy, mostly for entertainment purposes.
I think a lot of it is because the hydra is confused and sucks at being consistent within itself. If it's going to do that, it's going to be outwardly confusing and obnoxious to read regardless (and no, I don't think either head tagging their posts will help read them, as John/Guus already seem to be swapping reads based on what the other thinks). While I'm not sure if they're scum for it, they're definitely a liability.I want read the Jim side of the No Name hydra as town, but I really don't see it happening considering I feel while they're being openly honest with things, they also mitigate excuses for every action. I'm not sure how to read it exactly, I like the blunt attitude but I don't like feeling that someone who should be confident in what they post has to explain everything or make an excuse about it.
Yes, i'm implying a part of the read on me, I don't understand why No Name backed down from it after being pressured about it to an extent.
ding ding dingYou, among others talking about JTB (hi zen) confuse me with this read. JTB has done nothing worth investigation or a vote.
And with this, my read on S-Tier is suddenly cast into doubt.Because they were being pretentious and trying to goad Swiss when they should both know that doesn't work. They literally did the same damn thing Spidermang did, context in all.
hurr durr pressure swiss with fake appliance so we can read him
You ninja'd me.How can I tell? Simple: Spidey turned it into a massive pissing contest (evidenced breaking out exact definitions of what Swiss was calling him) whereas S-Tier seemed more concerned with actually goading a reaction from him in order to use it to his advantage (evidenced by him asking others their opinion and citing posts). One seemed like an argument for the sake of an argument, the other seemed like something more useful.
But that's not exactly the strongest opinion. I still question it, as S-Tier's motivations do seem a bit shady. He certainly jumped the gun and his opinions came off as very fluid during that entire situation when he should've been more firm. It came off as very excitable and that's shady to me.
I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me. First of all it's irrational to do, and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty. I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.Well, he must be what he says.
I'm doing this ryker-style, mostly because i've missed a lot and it's easier on me.
I don't understand the scum-read on S-tier for this at all, especially when nothing is set and stone, that couldn't be his actual role and he could be joking. I don't think Zen or Seph would be inane enough to blatantly claim their role regardless of alilgnment and hope someone thinks it's nothing more than b]null.[/b] Did you think about that in first hand? What do you think about the slot in general?
WhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyVote: S-tier
Well, ****. S-tier has really blew my expectations out of the water. I take what I said back Swiss, they're both scum.
I smiled.Any idiot can drop a read, I'll drop the freaking SCUM TEAM.
hi *****es
I got ya. Hey, what do you think of No Name getting a town read just from S-tier claiming?I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me. First of all it's irrational to do, and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty. I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.
This is fair reasoning and I would say considering my own read on S-tier right now I would take it in heavy consideration.GLG said:I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me. First of all it's irrational to do, and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty. I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.
I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies. I wanted to gauge whether or not Swiss switched on me because I told him I wont tag my posts or because he was indirectly defending JTB. I can have a town read on someone and still look into their motives. Not to do so would just be bad play. This is a response to both Brann & Soup as well by the way since all three you asked.S-Tier, why the change from Swiss making scumslips etc. to obvtown?
I'm genuinely confused about this post. What is comical about those choices?S-Tier's #257 was pure comic gold with his lynch choices of JTB, Spider, gira, and Glyph. I admit that I was a bit ecstatic when you read me as town, but then I saw No Name above me and chuckled.
Who is the other person you're referring to here?Swiss, they're both scum.
(1)Where else have you seen someone claim unprovoked?I'm trying to figure out how to explain this right. (1)Whenever I see someone claim unprovoked, especially when it's vanilla town, it screams scum to me. (2)First of all it's irrational to do, and secondly people are thought to be town until they're guilty. (3)I don't understand why this would be taken as "null", obviously when they did that they intended to get reactions of some kind and didn't just do it fortehlulz. The slot has been so-so for me otherwise, I'd need to reread and pull out some quotes.
Both of you, but I read the shenanigans earlier as Zen. This is Zen posting, right?S-Tier said:Who is the other person you're referring to here?
but I read the shenanigans earlier as Zen.
So, you're metaing him a bit? That's gonna end you up in a ditch. I'm going to re-iterate something I said.S-tier said:His play is almost identical to TTGL and I thought you two were able to read each other well.
Well, at least you can back up what you're saying.I was clearly making those posts on Swiss in teasing manner in attempt to gauge him. I probably know how to read Swiss better than anyone in this game. Swiss has been known to stick his neck out for his buddies before, pushing anyone that pushes him or his buddies. I wanted to gauge whether or not Swiss switched on me because I told him I wont tag my posts or because he was indirectly defending JTB. I can have a town read on someone and still look into their motives. Not to do so would just be bad play. This is a response to both Brann & Soup as well by the way since all three you asked.
lol .Yes, but why did you say both of us if you were only reading one of us? I'm very surprised you don't see JTB scum. His play is almost identical to TTGL and I thought you two were able to read each other well.