Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Aggressive Mediation]

Cuz I like his interaction thing with No Name, I don't think he'd just come up with that as scum, and overall his post give me a really townZen feeling. I don't always like it, especially the way townZen gets so ahead of himself (i.e that whole finding Swiss to have had a scumslip when he compared his play here to SF, insinuating he knows he's town) unnecessarily.

 

[zapp brannigan]

And then in the above post I say that looking at your whole play, the Swiss vote is the only thing that gets me in a tizzy. EVERYTHING else I don't really have any qualms with. But the whole opportunistic jump on Swiss for voting you for not tagging posts I didn't like. Is this computing?

I don't remember saying you're PURPOSELY being stupid, and if I did I didn't mean it. But you ARE showing signs of old Ran, which is why I'm forced to put you as dumb or scum.

Before calling me out on anything, tell me if you have confusions on what I'm saying. This is something I want done for the rest of the Day, and possibly, rest of the game please.

Ok, I understand. If I have a confusion with something I'll just have you clarify it. That koo?

K, check this out:

That's ridiculous though. Why focus your attention on that to begin with, all you do is fuel the fire of the **** that you DON'T wanna take.

Whatever, that's weird as hell.

I like our vote where it's at, Xonar's 180 from having that above-all feeling to himself right to him being more on Swiss' side is grimy. I don't like Zap either, even though Vanz made it look better like my other half said. The fact is Ran did a good job at doing a lot of really stupid things, and I'm definitely leaning moreso toward scum than dumb. Account with No Name's weird too, but it may just be Jimbo being Jimbo idk. Everyone else seems okay to me.

Ok. So I assumed you had me at more scum than dumb. (meaning that you were leaning on me being scummy instead of a dummy) Now seeing that, and you saying "Ran did a good job of doing alot of stupid things", I assumed you thought I was doing the stupid things on purpose, since I was doing such a good job at it, and it was a definite solid reason for you read on me. Like, you saying I did a good job at being dumb, was you saying I was accomplishing some sort of goal by being dumb. Amirong?

I just felt it was sort of a weak reason to have me as scum. It seemed to support your scumread on me, since you only had my swiss vote and my dumbness as reasons. Especially the way you said it.

Now also keep in mind. You never said you didn't have any qualms with the rest of my play here in this quote, why didn't you state that at that time?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Cuz I like his interaction thing with No Name, I don't think he'd just come up with that as scum, and overall his post give me a really townZen feeling. I don't always like it, especially the way townZen gets so ahead of himself (i.e that whole finding Swiss to have had a scumslip when he compared his play here to SF, insinuating he knows he's town) unnecessarily.

I feel the interaction was null. Why? Because he really didn't get anything out of it. Keep in mind his last post, in it he said "No Name can possibly be moved off of the getting nk'd list or not" that's a paraphrase. He was wishy washy on him, even tho he was fine with him. Like I KNOW if he had a problem with No Name he would have rectified it (ie: pressure pressure pressure) He even flipflopped on his Swiss read. Didn't you think that was odd?

I felt he was trying to make it seem like Swiss was trying to discredit him, but I didn't see that. I felt his 'scumslip' thing on swiss was opportunistic.

I also feel TownZen would at least try to do more for Town. He hasn't really done that. He just posted some list, and I felt him stating "I'm not tagging my posts" was him trying to seem cool and town.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I was gonna call out Spidey for not posting, but I think half of it is v/la cuz of a tourny rite?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ok. So I assumed you had me at more scum than dumb. (meaning that you were leaning on me being scummy instead of a dummy) Now seeing that, and you saying "Ran did a good job of doing alot of stupid things", I assumed you thought I was doing the stupid things on purpose, since I was doing such a good job at it, and it was a definite solid reason for you read on me. Like, you saying I did a good job at being dumb, was you saying I was accomplishing some sort of goal by being dumb. Amirong?

No I didn't mean you were doing stupid things on purpose, just the fact that you were doing stupid things. Not that that was your intention.

I just felt it was sort of a weak reason to have me as scum. It seemed to support your scumread on me, since you only had my swiss vote and my dumbness as reasons. Especially the way you said it.

Nah, the fact is the only reason for my scum lean on you IS the Swiss interaction, but it's got a lot to do with it that I've already explained.

Now also keep in mind. You never said you didn't have any qualms with the rest of my play here in this quote, why didn't you state that at that time?

I didn't know it was necessary to point out the things you have no real feeling toward?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

No I didn't mean you were doing stupid things on purpose, just the fact that you were doing stupid things. Not that that was your intention.



Nah, the fact is the only reason for my scum lean on you IS the Swiss interaction, but it's got a lot to do with it that I've already explained.



I didn't know it was necessary to point out the things you have no real feeling toward?

Man I WOULD post out of hydra!

 

[zapp brannigan]

... You would. ;[

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Swiss we haven't played before, I believe this is the first game. Why do you like me? If it is based on my play, then I'd be surprised. I think that I could have used the first day of D1 better.

In a bit of a rut with some things and unsure of how to proceed. If someone wants to drop some hints, it would be appreciated. S-Tier's #257 was pure comic gold with his lynch choices of JTB, Spider, gira, and Glyph. I admit that I was a bit ecstatic when you read me as town, but then I saw No Name above me and chuckled.

No Name I'm still disturbed by the fact that it took so long to delay giving me such a nonchalant answer. I don't take your explanation at face value at all that it was just a joke. For one, if it was a joke why did you really need to check with John to give you the green light to share it? For me, this screams safe play and being way too conscious about what information you're giving to the town. I would like to state that I didn't read carefully the first time with your interaction with Spidermang which you respond with the following when he treats your position as one being legitimate and with stances:

Will do, I'll also put [/pun] tags next time.

I honestly do not understand why you wouldn't just reference your #52 in response to my pressure on asking you to elaborate on a read.

For me this interaction poses two problems. The first problem is that your interaction with Spidermang strikes me as being out of place. It seems like after Spidermang criticized your approach to the game, you decided to drastically shift how you decided to play the hydra. I don't understand why you allowed to cave in to Spidermang or allowed his words to have such a clout that you would slow roll me an explanation for your previous play.

The second problem I have is that you had no reason to slow roll me an explanation, since you already had provided one. More or less the one that you already gave Spidermang which you could have nonchalantly references when I requested it. I would have expected you to go, "Hey stupid, look, I already stated this, learn to read." Or something along those lines. Subsequent play before my second press on you had been you releasing another town read.

I'd have to go back and check, but I remember looking at it and seriously wondering, this guy is releasing another town read on another dude, yet he can't even give me an explanation to an old read he outed way in the beginning of the game. I'm seriously in a rut with figuring out your shenanigans man.

 

[zapp brannigan]

No I didn't mean you were doing stupid things on purpose, just the fact that you were doing stupid things. Not that that was your intention.



Nah, the fact is the only reason for my scum lean on you IS the Swiss interaction, but it's got a lot to do with it that I've already explained.



I didn't know it was necessary to point out the things you have no real feeling toward?

... Hmmm ok.

Ok I understand.

Nah I was just thinking you'd say 'rest of his play seems null/something something BUT... [insert wat u said here]'

 

[zapp brannigan]

@Allegory: May I have an opinion on S-tier and AM? :3 It has been a while Dude.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I also like your point on No Name taking a really long time to respond to questions. Simple questions. Yet I don't really take it into account because I don't really know why it's taking so goddamn freakin' long. I just look at his actions tho.

For example, a good direction for you to look in is No Name v S-Tier.

Also consider No Name got a town read based off S-tier's first post, and claim. It seemed like too easy of a town read to get... (And the same goes for S-Tier) If S-tier flips scum, I'd look into No Name further.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Allegory: May I have an opinion on S-tier and AM? :3 It has been a while Dude.

I don't have a read on S-tier at the moment. He has helped me to start developing a more defined read on other slots, but as for any suggestions on his alignment, I haven't started to read into him at the moment.

AM is the same as S-tier, ironically. I've been having some trouble reading Soupa as Washed listed him as "good start" and I was reading Soupa as having a bad start when the game started.

AM gave me a better context to look at Spidermang's play, which is a simpler interpretation that held Spider to a higher standard of play. Not sure if I'm caving in to popularism, but the idea that Spidermang deserves to be pressured for his poor push on Swiss, makes the Soup slot more understandable.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Also Allegory, I would like for you to link the post you are referring to. I want to know what town read he didn't want to explain to you.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I don't have a read on S-tier at the moment. He has helped me to start developing a more defined read on other slots, but as for any suggestions on his alignment, I haven't started to read into him at the moment.

AM is the same as S-tier, ironically. I've been having some trouble reading Soupa as Washed listed him as "good start" and I was reading Soupa as having a bad start when the game started.

AM gave me a better context to look at Spidermang's play, which is a simpler interpretation that held Spider to a higher standard of play. Not sure if I'm caving in to popularism, but the idea that Spidermang deserves to be pressured for his poor push on Swiss, makes the Soup slot more understandable.

Alright. Can you keep an eye on him? I don't like him specifically. (S-tier) I really like you, and it's not just cuz of your looks.

My read on Soup now is just nullish. I still didn't like his vote on Spidey, but he says he likes to work with Swiss so we'll see how that goes.

I think the reason Washed said he had a good start was probably because Soup understood that Spidey might have been trying to get thread power. I had trouble looking at it from that perspective. (Vandy explained it to me) Like he (Spidey) was trying to overpower Swiss for towncred, and it backfired.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Kind of just figured out that I do agree with AM, I like the concept of Spidermang pushing on Swiss (a hard to read slot) in order to kind of read him out. I don't agree with his execution, but I thought that if I gave him time, he would be able to justify why he chose to approach Swiss in the way that he did. More or less to this end, I want to see some more from Spidermang. I'm not entirely sold on the idea that he's someone who the lynch should be focused on.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Kind of just figured out that I do agree with AM, I like the concept of Spidermang pushing on Swiss (a hard to read slot) in order to kind of read him out. I don't agree with his execution, but I thought that if I gave him time, he would be able to justify why he chose to approach Swiss in the way that he did. More or less to this end, I want to see some more from Spidermang. I'm not entirely sold on the idea that he's someone who the lynch should be focused on.

Sure, but we still feel he should feel DA PRESSURE and explain his actions.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I also liked the concept of him asking Swiss for reads on three players he hasn't played with. I said this before. I'm the type to try and get reads on people I haven't played with (such as rvs votes)

And I do also agree, his execution was very over the top, and he was very on the surface like. I mean, he ignored Swisse's excuse of being at work, and continued to ask for more and more.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (2) AM, Zapp
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name (1) Allegory
5. JTB (1) S-Tier
6. Soup~ ()
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz (1) JTB
10. J ()
11. Zapp Brannigan (3) Swiss, Spidermang, Soup
12. S-Tier (1) GLG
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, J, Dabunz

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 6th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[zapp brannigan]

... I just noticed something.

No Name, why aren't you voting yet?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I also liked the concept of him asking Swiss for reads on three players he hasn't played with. I said this before. I'm the type to try and get reads on people I haven't played with (such as rvs votes)

I actually disliked this. If I recall, the two people he requested initially were dabu and gira. Then he added vanderzant. Dabu and gira are examples of slots that shouldn't be asked about, they should be slots that should be acted on. I don't know if I'm indulging too much in how I think the game should be played, however I do not think that those questions should be answered, much less asked.

Thank you though for sharing your reads and stances. Is there any particular reason that you wanted to share them with me? And no, you don't have to worry, I won't let S-Tier fall under the radar.

 

[The Account With No Name]

I don't know who to vote.
As for me responding late to questions, oftentimes I leave this tab open, so you see me viewing but I'm doing something else, so don't assume I'll answer straight away :|

In response to Allegory's #328:

Welp, everything went cluster**** on me and caved in there ._.
Might as well lay down the whole situation honestly there:
I had a town feeling on Soup, and that combined with the chance to post a hilarious pun, made me post that. What triggered the town feeling with Soup, I honestly don't know. All I can think of is that in MB, he played very townish, and his start here reminded me of his start there.
Anyway, after the post, Xonar decided to say "no that is dumb you are a hydra" and I had to concur. I'd never played a hydra and forgot that I'd be better off agreeing on reads with my partner first before posting them for our slot. Then I did and John didn't really agree with my view on Soup so I basically tried to drop it.

In short: I viewed Soup as a town feeling, John didn't, so I tried to brush it off.

Does this help you explain my shenanigans a bit?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Who was the one who came up with the whole, S-Tier clamed blue, must be town thing? Could you just explain on that a bit more, now that I got you to open up about stuff that went down in RVS. If this was covered then I apologize.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Who was the one who came up with the whole, S-Tier clamed blue, must be town thing?

The what thing?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Claiming VT off the bat, he's STUCK to that claim. If he were scum and the fires of a lynch were licking his heels, he'd rather have a claim ready to save his ***, wouldn't you think? "But can't scum do that too?" Yes scum can do everything a townie does. Doesn't mean that it's not very risky.
I mean, maybe it's not a town-tell, it just goes to show he's not scum. Indy is still possible but that's for D2.

The rest of his play hasn't shown anything for me to think otherwise.

This is really wifomy if this is all there is to the read. In addition, it is not worth marking someone early on as a town read. By doing this, you essentially put up a block in your own path that inhibits yourself from pushing on S-Tier if you need to flesh him out for better reads. In addition, it adds some passive discredit on S-Tier's end if you try to apply pressure on him, as he might just assume that you are just pressuring him since you marked him earlier in the game as town. If I'm not mistaken dabu was one of your scum leans. Why are you not pushing on dabu?

Are those three posts from S-Tier sufficient enough for you to debilitate yourself from getting effective pushes early game? I'm asking you if there is more than just this the reason you gave in this paragraph. Because frankly, I don't know where you want to go with laying down town reads on other players.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote

Hi.

Re-reading.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I actually disliked this. If I recall, the two people he requested initially were dabu and gira. Then he added vanderzant. Dabu and gira are examples of slots that shouldn't be asked about, they should be slots that should be acted on. I don't know if I'm indulging too much in how I think the game should be played, however I do not think that those questions should be answered, much less asked.

Thank you though for sharing your reads and stances. Is there any particular reason that you wanted to share them with me? And no, you don't have to worry, I won't let S-Tier fall under the radar.

Really, why do you think so? I sometimes ask people to see how they can read someone, so I can try and see what they see as well. (But usually on hard to read players or players that are better than me)

Because I wanted to bounce ideas off with you. I wanted to see if your thoughts might have lined up with mine.

 

[zapp brannigan]

I don't know who to vote.

Wait. S-tier asked you your opinion on JTB, and you said he was scummy, correct?

 

[The Account With No Name]

This is really wifomy if this is all there is to the read. In addition, it is not worth marking someone early on as a town read. By doing this, you essentially put up a block in your own path that inhibits yourself from pushing on S-Tier if you need to flesh him out for better reads. In addition, it adds some passive discredit on S-Tier's end if you try to apply pressure on him, as he might just assume that you are just pressuring him since you marked him earlier in the game as town. If I'm not mistaken dabu was one of your scum leans. Why are you not pushing on dabu?

When I say someone is going town for me after 3 posts, you shouldn't assume I already cleared that person. I understand the the part about him not caring about my pressure now, didn't look at it that way.
As for Dabuz; That was John's gut feeling and I had no more from him than a gut feeling either. John and I don't get to communicate a lot due to time zones and schedules. I can't push Dabuz now.

Are those three posts from S-Tier sufficient enough for you to debilitate yourself from getting effective pushes early game? I'm asking you if there is more than just this the reason you gave in this paragraph. Because frankly, I don't know where you want to go with laying down town reads on other players.

There's no more, just that.

Basically, in MB, I got the balls a lot for *****footing and never laying down my reads, so I decided to post them as I got them this time. Guess that's not the way to go either...
We'll keep town reads to ourselves now unless they're needed or something.

Wait. S-tier asked you your opinion on JTB, and you said he was scummy, correct?

Where did I call him scummy?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.

@Zapp: Why don't you have a question for me or J in your post?

@J: How much longer is it until I start tunneling you until I die?

Well, he must be what he says.

I'm doing this ryker-style, mostly because i've missed a lot and it's easier on me.

I don't understand the scum-read on S-tier for this at all, especially when nothing is set and stone, that couldn't be his actual role and he could be joking. I don't think Zen or Seph would be inane enough to blatantly claim their role regardless of alilgnment and hope someone thinks it's nothing more than b]null.[/b] Did you think about that in first hand? What do you think about the slot in general?

 

[zapp brannigan]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14272026&postcount=288

I mean, Zapp just asked for his thoughts on someone, after which JTB held his information hostage until Zapp gave his. It's nice that you want Zapp to answer your question but withholding information for no apparent reason other than getting others to go first is stupid.

Other than that, JTB hasn't said anything ABOUT other players, just asking questions that eventually lead to nothing other than us seeing him ask a question.

Ok, you didn't. Got ya. So what exactly did this in the underlined mean? What IS your read on him?

I just assumed you had a scum read on him because your reasons here seemed like suspicion.

 

[zapp brannigan]

My previous post is directed towards No Name.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.

@Zapp: Why don't you have a question for me or J in your post?

@J: How much longer is it until I start tunneling you until I die?

Actually, that makes me wonder...

@Soup: Would you say Swiss is like Ryker in that in order to get an idea of his intention you have to blindly accept his requests and go along with what he's doing in order to expose his motivation through action? Ryker does this **** all the time and I'm curious if I have to comply with Swiss in a similar manner.



I've expected better out of you JTB, your play this game has been thoroughly weak. I hope your computer posts are better because this has been sorely lacking.

I mean, c'mon, Spidey needs pressure.

Yeah, i would say that's the jist of it but I also like challenging him and playing a game of monarchy, mostly for entertainment purposes.

 

[The Account With No Name]

My read isn't scum. The underlined meant he's going at it completely wrong and isn't playing the brightest game he can.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scrap that tier town read. Think he's anti town.

League then full game analysis.

I disagree.

Enlighten me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I want read the Jim side of the No Name hydra as town, but I really don't see it happening considering I feel while they're being openly honest with things, they also mitigate excuses for every action. I'm not sure how to read it exactly, I like the blunt attitude but I don't like feeling that someone who should be confident in what they post has to explain everything or make an excuse about it.

Yes, i'm implying a part of the read on me, I don't understand why No Name backed down from it after being pressured about it to an extent. No Name, are you just susceptible to pressure? You seem like that kind of person to me, and I want you to think aside of pressure or what the peanut gallery is saying to you. While conversing and understanding points that other people make is useful, being confident in yourself and the ability you have is also. Talk to me to me in this way, especially about your reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well I don't see how you put No Name in that pile when you were calling him out as being swiss's *****. I thought you were suspecting him.

AM Made some good points on the hydra thing, read on him is tentantive (waiting on what he does after our interaction up in this page, but I didn't like that he focused solely on my Swiss vote and nothing else) So I was wondering if you had an opinion on that.

Jtb is scummy. He is very sheepy. Like he was appealing to consensus when he voted me by saying "This is correct, yes?" He doesn't really look for scum, he just bandwagons. All dai. I did like his vote on Dabuz tho.

Null on No Name.

You, among others talking about JTB (hi zen) confuse me with this read. JTB has done nothing worth investigation or a vote.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: S-tier

Well, ****. S-tier has really blew my expectations out of the water. I take what I said back Swiss, they're both scum.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Wow, I really like Soup. Soup, could you tell me what exactly stood out to you of S-tier scum?

On JTB, I just don't like his bandwagoning, and not really doing much else. I have other directions I'd rather push tho. Tell me, how exactly do you read JTB?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Replace out Swiss. You're obviously town. If you aren't able to read this game, you're just wasting one of our slots.

You're like a big of chex mix, be more coherent with what you're feeling. Why do you imply dis-taste for Swiss then completely change your opinion after being called out by him? It really shows a fake attitude towards him, almost that you fear him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wow, I really like Soup. Soup, could you tell me what exactly stood out to you of S-tier scum?

On JTB, I just don't like his bandwagoning, and not really doing much else. I have other directions I'd rather push tho. Tell me, how exactly do you read JTB?

General stupidity and how they're acting towards Swiss. I will elaborate on it later.