CardiganBoy
Smash Lord
I saw a Balloon Fighter Trophy in the Brawl Vault, so i htink it is possible, but again i think is a minor thing at this point
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Roy's Our Boy - General Hype/Discussion Thread
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GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Unless they can clone a trophy, I don't see that happening.
CardiganBoy
Smash Lord
Maybe if they replace this senseless trophy:
But you know, im going so far with this, say, its just so happy to have him back.
Darkevilprice995
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Roy.
Is in fact my boy.
...
Looks like I'm gonna have a reason to boot up the good 'ol wii once again.
*Goes out to buy 2gb SD card*
Is in fact my boy.
...
Looks like I'm gonna have a reason to boot up the good 'ol wii once again.
*Goes out to buy 2gb SD card*
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
So, I really like Roy's jab.
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
I havent actually watched any mewtwo/roy gameplay other than the trailer and the turbo vids; not planning to either, hype myself up
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
I actually tried watching, from my iphone, but it always appeared that you were offline.
Dont ask why wont I use a computer.
Dont ask why wont I use a computer.
Chzrm3
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Ooo, is that saved anywhere? I'd love to see some Roy gameplay. : D
Seraphim.
Smash Ace
Not seeing a lot of people use Roy's DED on stream.
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Apparently, it's too changed. Dat third hit, son.
Fortress
Smash Master
That reminds me.Maybe if they replace this senseless trophy:
But you know, im going so far with this, say, its just so happy to have him back.
I assume this is his Side-B?
If DED = Side-B, then this is consistent yeah. A lot of people have been calling it out since announcement, that nobody is using it nearly as much as they easily could. It's solid, and Roy's on streams are struggling because they're... Marth(ish) when they play. F-airs and N-airs and DD Grabs... Where's the ROY stuff at?
I guess when he's accessible, then peeps be D-Tilt > Side-B combos all over the place, and he won't look as terribad compared to that broken-face Mewtwo.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
So I just saw the Neo vs JCaesor set. Wow. Both characters look so damn good, and it makes me very happy as I was both a Roy and Mewtwo main back in the day.
First things first, could a dev explain to me how Roy's new ftilt isn't crap? I mean the animation is beautiful, but when Neo was using it against JCaesor's M2 it looked like it A: Wasn't faster than Marth's ftilt which covers a much better area and not much faster than fsmash, and B: doesn't seem to be strong enough to use when fsmash covers more range.
Is it still strong at the tip, can it be angled, and/or are there other redeeming factors to this move? I trust the team, so I assume there is something about this move that is awesome that wasn't brought to light. I apologize if this has been noted already, I skimmed the thread and searched for ftilt and didn't see this yet.
For the life of me I don't understand why Neo was fthrowing all the time in that set against JC. Hell at times he would fthrow Mewtwo to the center of the stage instead of going for a downthrow off the ledge O_o. Why not uthrow at low percents Neo!! WHY!!!? It was clear that Roy had a ton of juggle potential, but Neo wasn't really abusing it. He also landed some really nice dsmash kills early on, but then seemed to forget that dsmash was a thing. I think there is a lot of room for Neo to have done better even without this new Roy technology.
Also, I kept feeling like both JCaesor and Neo were jumping a lot more than they should. I haven't been keeping up with PM as much, but is it safer to land aerials on shields overall in PM than Melee?
First things first, could a dev explain to me how Roy's new ftilt isn't crap? I mean the animation is beautiful, but when Neo was using it against JCaesor's M2 it looked like it A: Wasn't faster than Marth's ftilt which covers a much better area and not much faster than fsmash, and B: doesn't seem to be strong enough to use when fsmash covers more range.
Is it still strong at the tip, can it be angled, and/or are there other redeeming factors to this move? I trust the team, so I assume there is something about this move that is awesome that wasn't brought to light. I apologize if this has been noted already, I skimmed the thread and searched for ftilt and didn't see this yet.
Roy always had a hard time with floaties and I think the new Roy still does (just not as much). Roy looks rather amazing, it's just that he has more trouble getting inside M2 than say Marth would. I honestly think the Roy/M2 matchup will be fairly even in the future.I guess when he's accessible, then peeps be D-Tilt > Side-B combos all over the place, and he won't look as terribad compared to that broken-face Mewtwo.
For the life of me I don't understand why Neo was fthrowing all the time in that set against JC. Hell at times he would fthrow Mewtwo to the center of the stage instead of going for a downthrow off the ledge O_o. Why not uthrow at low percents Neo!! WHY!!!? It was clear that Roy had a ton of juggle potential, but Neo wasn't really abusing it. He also landed some really nice dsmash kills early on, but then seemed to forget that dsmash was a thing. I think there is a lot of room for Neo to have done better even without this new Roy technology.
Also, I kept feeling like both JCaesor and Neo were jumping a lot more than they should. I haven't been keeping up with PM as much, but is it safer to land aerials on shields overall in PM than Melee?
FlamingForce
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The main things I noticed were that the ftilt looked severely crippled compared to Melee's mini-fsmash and the fsmash seemed surprisingly lacking in killing power sometimes though those might have been sourspot hits.
I got a chance to try out Roy yesterday.
His sweetspot Fsmash was killing midweight characters from the middle of PS2 at 75% AFTER the hit
The DI wasn't optimal, but it wasn't terrible either.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Fsmash sweetspot matches Melee. Sourspot is now decent.
As for Ftilt - It comes out decently fast, has fairly huge reach, does 14 damage on a sweetspot, has a lot of BKB, and can be angled. How is that a crap move?
As for Ftilt - It comes out decently fast, has fairly huge reach, does 14 damage on a sweetspot, has a lot of BKB, and can be angled. How is that a crap move?
| Kailex |
I smell like salty coins and milk
Give him a purple texture and itll look good... No, GIVE ALL CHARACTERS A PURPLE TEXTURE AND ADD A PURPLE TEAM COLOR!!!
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
I'm kinda surprised by this as it was always a big criticism to the old Roy in that it was weaker than Marth's fsmash even though Roy was "supposed" to be the more heavy hitter (at least that's what we all thought at the time). Not saying it's a bad call, but I find it weird that the sweetspot wasn't buffed a little.
Didn't say that it was a crap move, just that it looked crappy. I assumed there was more to it than what Neo showed is all. Now that I know it's angled, it makes it pretty nifty. It would be harder to land than his old ftilt, but the reach on it would help out his spacing game a bit. I doubt it, but does it have any IASA frames? It would be really awesome if it also functioned a bit like dtilt and was a fairly safe poke (it might work like this without the IASA frames but judging from Neo's usage of it there is too much ending lag). It would definitely diversify Roy from Marth and would strengthen Roy's ground game.
Link the set?
When I first saw F-Tilt attempted by M2K/Oro/other streams, I thought it looked GODLY.
They didn't use it much outside of like... using it a few times in a row 'for fun' and never incorporating it into the actual game-play, but it looks like there's a LOT of potential for it. Even using it at range combo-ending when you want to keep them close and F-Smash sour-spot isn't exactly a favorable go-to.
Yeah for sure floaters can be tough to deal with.
I'm pretty sure Neutral B has been indicated to be 'better' and that might play more of a factor (he doesn't have U-Tilt Marth vs Peach-style purposes, but Marth already needed N-B for that type of match-up, and Roy's being better might require him leaning on it)
U-Smash should help too.
Side-B might have a trick in it too...
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Marth and Roy Fsmash have identical hitbox stats on the sweetspot, except Roy's has 5 less KBG. Which translates to about 5% less knockback at 100%. That's pretty close.
http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp/c/3135627
IMO its a great move. Roy leans into the stab, so the full range is larger than Melee ftilt. At tip range it can be used for long range harassment similar to D3's ftilt, especially nice against characters like Marth and M2 that are difficult to get close to. The sweetspot is actually pretty strong, but its difficult to land; you basically have to punch them with the hilt of the sword to get it.
It doesn't have the arc that Melee ftilt had, obviously, but it can still be subbed in for a lot of combos where you're not sure the fsmash will connect.
A Revelation
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have there been any improvements to his weight or recovery to help buff him in those aspects?
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Having been given a viable Blazer helps?
FlamingForce
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It looked to me like he performed the blazer 2 handed now, is that a nod to Zero from MMX, perhaps?
Fortress
Smash Master
Before you know it, he'll just have a ponytail in 3.0. But, it'll just be a bone. No texturing over it. And you can only see it in BrawlBox.
Also, one of his taunts is "WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR".
I've come to to the conclusion that Roy is kind of similar to Falco in a ( couple of) way(s). I imagine he'll be able to pillar D-tilt -> D-Air. though it will fire times as cool. forward smash hits like a truck, Up-b can be angled (and is firey.) B-Air is shaped similarly and is a kill move. They both fast fall. They both are totally bad ass. and have the most personality out of their games representation. actually the fire emblem 3 and space animals all kind of correlate slightly.
Marth = Fox
Roy = Falco
Ike = Wolf
The specific Niche they each fill seems similar at very least.
Marth = Fox
Roy = Falco
Ike = Wolf
The specific Niche they each fill seems similar at very least.
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Dammit, I thought I was the only one who thought that way.
That set is entertaining. Always funny and fun to watch players learning things on-the-fly.
There's still a lack of Neutral-B in terms of use, so I can't tell how it has changed, but the 'character info' thing says it's better. How much better is it?
I love the Up-B and Side-B and D-Smash and U-Smash and this characters is awesome...
Such big boots.
There's still a lack of Neutral-B in terms of use, so I can't tell how it has changed, but the 'character info' thing says it's better. How much better is it?
I love the Up-B and Side-B and D-Smash and U-Smash and this characters is awesome...
Such big boots.
Fortress
Smash Master
Now, I don't claim to know anything about Roy, but up-b looked like it hit a lot of times and just had a lot of overall power behind it on some of the final 'hits', ala Link's recovery. It also looked like you could aim it, like somebody else'd said.
A Revelation
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Explain what a viable Blazer is?
The melee one you could always angle so that isn't really a buff. He could always do that.
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Viable as in, it's an actual attack this time.
A Revelation
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Well thats pretty cool, but that doesnt really help hom come back on stage any easier.
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Side B acts as a 3rd jump of sorts, as it propels Roy up and forward.
A Revelation
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That's nice but it's still the same from Melee.
I'm trying to compare any changes from the melee Roy to the P:M regarding his weight or recovery (if there are any changes). The boy was known for having a pretty bad recovery due to both of those factors.
from what I have seen Roy's recovery is far superior to Marths ( and melee Roy) in every facit. his side b pops him up significantly more than in melee, its comforable to about half of one of jiggs' double jumps. you can angle his up B to about 45 degrees either way . his up B hits harder and can clip through the stage. and it's made of fire.