roy as a jiggs counter

[unknown522]

can't she just jump or f-air you when she DIs away?

 

[Sethlon]

Thats what I thought too, but I played against a respectable jiggs player and it was working. I'll test it out for sure when I get the chance.
(Or you can whenever you do, heh)

 

[Nø Ca$h]

reverse up b has low enough hit boxes to hit jiggs dumb enough to ledge swtspt

 

[unknown522]

Thats what I thought too, but I played against a respectable jiggs player and it was working. I'll test it out for sure when I get the chance.
(Or you can whenever you do, heh)

yeah, KK and I were testing it. Jiggs won't hit the ground if she DIs away (or up + away) and can jump. Roy can't reach her with anything.

If jiggs DIs down + away, then she will hit the ground before getting out of hit stun.

Jiggs is gay.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Roy has like nothing out of a grab vs Jiggs. It's best to just downthrow for the most damage.

 

[TresChikon]

Or kill her with upthrow if her percentage permits, it's deceptively strong.

Hey unknown, if you read where she will DI and throw accordingly, like instead of F-throw you trick her into poorly DI'ing your B-throw, could you still follow up and do something decent with your grab?

 

[unknown522]

you can d-throw -> F-smash if she DIs the throw inward (it doesn't actually link, but you'll clip her jump, or beat her attack when she's below 20%). If she DI's your d-throw away, you can re-grab her between 0 - 7%.

If she DIs the F-throw inward, you can get a f-air / u-air / side-b / possible dash attack.

 

[Veggiez]

Puff's DI (or, movement in air) is too fast when WoPing to land reverse Blazer. Yea, as someone said, it's only viable with a missed rest. But, what really good Puff would miss a rest? Roy's Fsmash is great, but what Puff stays on the ground for more than 1 second? Oh wait, tech chasing. That'd help get the KO with Roy's super Fsmash of doom.

But still, landing a reverse Blazer is more than satisfying if you do get it in =)

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You can fsmash people not on the ground <_<

 

[Veggiez]

Not WoPing Puff.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Triangle jump through and fsmash? =P

I dunno, Jigglypuff is gay.

 

[Veggiez]

That's basically what the entire thread has said.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

Hey unknown, if you read where she will DI and throw accordingly, like instead of F-throw you trick her into poorly DI'ing your B-throw, could you still follow up and do something decent with your grab?

jiggs can di ur throws down and put a major whole in that plan.
and jiggs can crouch ur grab(unless u are up against her, something that wont happen vs jiggs) and punish u w/ rest.

rest- the reliable ohko

 

[KirbyKaze]

If she doesn't DI away or down+away at low percent on F-throw you can Dash Attack and maybe follow that with Uair or something.

If she doesn't DI away or crouch cancel you can combo tipped D-tilt --> Fair for a long time.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

grabing is like saying "kill me w/ rest please."

iirc, a dash grab(not jc) isnt crouchable.

but thats like saying "float far away from my dash grab and rest me in the noticable lag."

 

[Veggiez]

I agree with Nova on this, despite Roy's great grab range, Puff's DI is too much to handle, and her landing lags of 0-2 don't help us either, especially when she lands on the other side of the universe when she does. Seriously, is there a point in trying to grab? If so, any Puff would DI out of it, killing our combos ezpz.

Just switch to Fox should a Puff not named Mang0 pop up.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Jigglypuff's landing lag is four frames, just like everyone else's.

'Cept Bowser and Pichu and Donkey Kong and Ganondorf. But who cares about them, amirite?

 

[Dark Sonic]

Jigglypuff's landing lag is four frames, just like everyone else's.

The landing animation is also...Jigglypuff's crouch. Which is ungrabbable (except dash grabs). Roy isn't grabbing a good puff any time soon.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Roy isn't grabbing a good puff any time soon.

Not that it matters. Roy can't follow up anything out of a grab when Jiggs has some semblance of DI. And uthrow doesn't kill early enough.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

marth even sucks against jiggs. like marth vs jiggs is worse than marth vs sheik imo.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'm gonna... go ahead and disagree with that.

 

[Deleted member]

marth even sucks against jiggs. like marth vs jiggs is worse than marth vs sheik imo.

that just makes you crazy.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Maybe if you're Mootooking. >_>

 

[Nø Ca$h]

that just makes you crazy.

jiggs can shield>rest marth's fsmash.

id write more, but typing in a straight jacket is hard.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

So don't fsmash Jigglypuff randomly? I don't see how that makes the matchup difficult.

Unless you're Drephen =P

 

[Nø Ca$h]

basically, the only reason that marth vs jiggs is better than roy vs jiggs is marths fair.

no grab, fsmash, or gaying. only reliable killer is punishing missed rests.

im talking HIGH LEVEL. like hbox/mango.

 

[TresChikon]

but jiggs can't even touch marf

 

[Nø Ca$h]

her mid-air-dd allows her to trick marth into miss spacing/timing. thus punishing the lag.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Jigglypuff's weight means it's going to be much harder to DI Marth's fthrow/dthrow, off of which Marth has pseudo-chaingrabs and tippers.

Also Marth's dashdance ain't shabby either.

It's not a fun matchup, by any means, but it's not a bad one for Marth.

 

[Kidney Thief]

What could possibly go wrong with this idea?

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

The smash reddit SUXXX

 

[pershona]

skilled roy can beat any puff

 

[MitchBerryCrunch]

Zain maximized Hax's 2009 Roy vs Puff theory crafting:
https://clips.twitch.tv/AdventurousUnusualPheasantRuleFive-WWriTZNorEkJRS7v

 

[FrozenRoy]

Not that it'll actually happen but it'd be so incredibly funny if the theorycrafting being maximized raised Roy on the tier list 15 years later.