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[FlareHabanero]

Damn pessimism pissing me off

At this point, having a pessimistic attitude is much more advised then viewing the world through rose-colored lens. While viewing the sin in this world may sound bad, it's actually a much brighter view of life. Hopes and dreams are meant to be shattered, so accepting that the world is not going to fall into the palm of your hands before it's too late will lead to a much more simple and joyous life.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At this point, having a pessimistic attitude is much more advised then viewing the world through rose-colored lens. While viewing the sin in this world may sound bad, it's actually a much brighter view of life. Hopes and dreams are meant to be shattered, so accepting that the world is not going to fall into the palm of your hands before it's too late will lead to a much more simple and joyous life.

What ever happened to just hoping something nice would happen?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Cuts are possible, but I'm not actually expecting them. I have thoughts of who would be likely to be cut if any happen(namely Ike, Pokemon Trainer, and Lucario only, as the rest rep their own series or have no reasons to be replaced).

Nobody else stands a reasonable chance of a cut.(or being left off due to time constraints like every character but Pichu was, the only true cut)

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, having a pessimistic attitude is much more advised then viewing the world through rose-colored lens. While viewing the sin in this world may sound bad, it's actually a much brighter view of life. Hopes and dreams are meant to be shattered, so accepting that the world is not going to fall into the palm of your hands before it's too late will lead to a much more simple and joyous life.

In that case, we should all assume Smash 4 will be a huge flop and ultimately cause Nintendo to crumble as a result with no hope of being saved.

After all, having a pessimistic attitude is more advised.
To argue against this makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's funny when pessimism is mistaken for realism.

THOUGH, I don't mean that cuts are an unrealistic idea.

 

[Croph]

I'm against cuts, but I do think they are a possibility, anything is at this point. And if they do happen, in the end I hope I'll be understanding with the situation and willing to sacrifice some vets. Whoa, I think I'm sounding a little contradicting there.

 

[---]

Cuts are possible, but there really isn't a need for anyone to actually be cut this time around, and I do believe that Sakurai will do everything in his power to avoid cuts. As honestly the only reason cuts have happened is loss of time (and because no one likes Pichu ).

That said we really can't predict time constraints, all we can do is predict who might be considered, unless you can see into the future of course...

 

[peeup]

Captain Falcon is getting cut, you heard it here first. We only needed one F-Zero character, and with the advent of Ganondorf getting into Brawl, Miyazaki has no reason to keep the ol' captain.

 

[BKupa666]

Sakurai said in his Brawl journal that "some characters would definitely disappear," giving speculators a fair idea of what to expect pre-Brawl, Mewtwo aside. I wonder if he'll do something similar this time around.

 

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Sakurai said in his Brawl journal that "some characters would definitely disappear," giving speculators a fair idea of what to expect pre-Brawl, Mewtwo aside. I wonder if he'll do something similar this time around.

To which I'd hope SmashChu is correct in his predictions of Snake/Sonic getting axed. Personally though, I'd prefer if he didn't say that, if true, at the beginning. As it would result having to deal with a lot of Pre-Brawl "ugliness".

 

[Watashi]

Speeking of cut characters, anyone remember that fake radio interview from 2006, that said Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers would be cut for Bowser JR, Toon Link (though "Celda" was used) and Ridley?

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakurai at least gave us a number on what to expect for addition third-party newcomers (he said another 1 or 2 after Snake). Initially, people were going crazy with third-parties for their fan rosters, but that really put out the fire. In regards to Sakurai's "there will be cuts" statement, people did become crazy and irrational.

I am hoping instead Sakurai says something more positive like, "I will try to bring everyone back this time, but there are no guarantees" or "I will probably bring back 1 or 2 characters that did not return for Brawl."

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, having a pessimistic attitude is much more advised then viewing the world through rose-colored lens. While viewing the sin in this world may sound bad, it's actually a much brighter view of life. Hopes and dreams are meant to be shattered, so accepting that the world is not going to fall into the palm of your hands before it's too late will lead to a much more simple and joyous life.

Depends... are we talking about a video game or real life?

If we're talking about vidya and the like, apathy is honestly the best approach as everything falls directly out of your own control.

However, if we're talking about life, pessimism will lead to a miserable life. There is a fine line between pessimism, realism, optimism and blind optimism. The ideal for a healthy and happy life is realism with a strong resolve and a hint of optimism, if you don't believe in what you're capable of doing you're sure to fail. However, if you're overly confident life will surely to beat some sense into you.

Anyway, in relation to Smash... as I said, apathy, I'm honestly at the point of not even caring anymore.

 

[TheCreator]

At this point, having a pessimistic attitude is much more advised then viewing the world through rose-colored lens. While viewing the sin in this world may sound bad, it's actually a much brighter view of life. Hopes and dreams are meant to be shattered, so accepting that the world is not going to fall into the palm of your hands before it's too late will lead to a much more simple and joyous life.

That's actually a pretty horrible outlook on everything. ESPECIALLY smash 4.
I'd prefer hope for the best expect the worst.

But anyways, I had a question to ask. If we only get one third party slot, which very well could happen, do you predict it'll be Megaman or Pacman who gets the slot?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If you mean a new third party slot, I'm going with a Namco-Bandai rep first. I wouldn't say Pac-Man automatically. It could be anyone among those companies.

If we mean one overall, Snake or Sonic. Both have legitimate reasons to stay(and no real reason to leave, either), but Snake was there first, so probably him. Sonic wasn't that well-repped in Brawl anyway.(two Sonic Spins for specials with little differences? Not like there wasn't a Bounce Attack, or his Fire Spin Attack, or even his Magic Hand... or even a Light Speed Dash, etc.)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Same here I guess. Namco's character would have priority.

 

[MarioNPinkie]

Despite that snake and sonic were 3rd party characters i dont think theyll be cut from smash 4 but thats just me

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don't really expect it either, as they could eadily have similar arrangements with Konami and SEGA like in Brawl. Then again, if difficulties arise, they could decide to cut either of them.

 

[8-peacock-8]

My roster, drawn by me!

For an in-depth blog post about my character roster, follow this link: http://oxyborb.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-inevitable-super-smash-brothers-4.html

Lol Geno.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's not bad, just have seen better. It's pretty average, I just don't agree with cutting Ike and Toon Link and having Miis. Rather see Toad instead of Petey, but I like the originality.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That image is severely lacking Master Chief and Goku.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Never said it was bad though.

 

[TheCreator]

I think it would be an extremely bad move to remove the third party characters. ESPECIALLY SONIC. I didn't even root for the guy, but he got in by popular demand. And Sakurai thought it so necessary to include him that he added him in with virtually no development time left, and may have been the cause of one of our delays. And even if I'm wrong about Sakurai's priority to include him, he got in the game. And people love him. Now think about Roy and Mewtwo.....those characters where chosen by Sakurai himself. Now imagine if a character that was literally voted in by fans was cut. Not too good, huh? Lol idk if I'm making my point. And with snake, he got in as a favor, so I doubt Sakurai would turn right back around and take him out. That'd be kind of a **** move.

But the thing with third parties is that they brought in SOOOO much attention. I would see it as stupid for them to not have anymore. And as against it as they are I think they know this too, and they'll compromise and give us one or two more.

In regards to Pacman over other namco reps? He's older than Mario and even more iconic. What can I say. I'm a fanboy when it comes to him. Lol

 

[Robert of Normandy]

My roster, drawn by me!

For an in-depth blog post about my character roster, follow this link: http://oxyborb.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-inevitable-super-smash-brothers-4.html

Couple things.

1. Snake. I don't see how PSA using Raiden means Snake won't return for Smash 4.
2. Beast Ganon is a dumb idea. The more humanoid Ganondorf has become more well-known in recent years than his beast for. Also, this is just more "clones is bad gaiz."
3. Are you one of those people that thinks that Fire Emblem can only have 2 slots? Because that's dumb.
4. Petey Pirahna is a really stupid choice for a new Mario character. Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, and even Geno are much better choices.
5.

Lol Geno.

6. Why hate Toon Link?
7. I am dissapoint at your lack of a new F-Zero character, but that's just me.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If StarFox and Kirby can gave 3 characters, so can Fire Emblem I feel...

 

[Arcadenik]

If StarFox and Kirby can gave 3 characters, so can Fire Emblem I feel...

The only reason Star Fox managed to get 3 characters so far is because they are all last-minute clones of Fox.

The only reason Fire Emblem got 2 characters in Melee is because Roy was a last-minute clone of Marth. Thus, Ike is the second original Fire Emblem character even though he is the third Fire Emblem character in Smash overall. Whether Chrom can be the third original Fire Emblem character remains to be seen... but I am positive he will be added in SSB4 along Marth BEFORE Ike and/or Roy is/are considered to return.

At least none of the Kirby characters are last-minute clones.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

The only reason Star Fox managed to get 3 characters so far is because they are all last-minute clones of Fox.

Wolf isn't a clone.

 

[Arcadenik]

Wolf isn't a clone.

Fine, he is a Special-Move clone then.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Fine, he is a Special-Move clone then.

Barely. His animations are wildly different on most of his specials. And even is all of his specials were completely copied, that's only 5/18(ish) moves(not even getting into stuff like falling speed, etc.).

The Smash community is a) far to negative about clones, and b) faar to eager to cry clone.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So what is Wolf?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

So what is Wolf?

A Giant African Land Snail. Duh.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wolf is the least clonish out of every 'clone' character in Brawl. I really don't get the complaints...

 

[peeup]

Barely. His animations are wildly different on most of his specials. And even is all of his specials were completely copied, that's only 5/18(ish) moves(not even getting into stuff like falling speed, etc.).

The Smash community is a) far to negative about clones, and b) faar to eager to cry clone.

To be fair, specials are really what set characters apart. I mean regardless of what the animation is, every character's moveset (with some exceptions, of course) boil down to the same thing.
Quick, weak jab.
Slightly stronger poke ftilt.
Quick maybe trip dtilt.
Mini jugle utilt.
Slow KO FSmash.
gtfo hit both sides dsmash.
aerial coverage usmash.
Damaging/comboing fair.
Kill move dair.
Stall n fall/meteor smash dair.
Sex kick/turn my body into a weak but fast hitbox nair.
Upward coverage uair.

The specials are what set people apart. Granted, many specials are in the same vein. But still, I'd far, far, far rather have a character with differentiated specials than have a "special clone" with similar yet tweaked specials.

Now all that stuff about falling speed/air speed/all around maneuverability, that's important. And they nailed that with the clones. So I have no complaints in that department.

tl;dr, a character's specials define who they are because the rest of their moveset is very similar to every other character. That's why people complain about clones.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

tl;dr, a character's specials define who they are because the rest of their moveset is very similar to every other character. That's why people complain about clones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

Specials only define characters at low level play. For many characters, their specials aren't even that useful except for, like, recovery.

 

[peeup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

Specials only define characters at low level play. For many characters, their specials aren't even that useful except for, like, recovery.

Hate to break it to you, but 90% of Smash is played at low level play.

 

[TheCreator]

I kind of agree with peeup here. But the thing is, I actually LIKE clones. I mean sure they're axactly like another character with the exception of a few more moves maybe, but hey. They are a different character. Hence why they take up a character slot. Like if I was a fan of Dr. Mario before melee, I would have been fine with him as a blatant Mario clone because. Hey. Dr. Mario is playable.


Also, what are general beliefs on bowser jr. around here?

 

[peeup]

I kind of agree with peeup here. But the thing is, I actually LIKE clones. I mean sure they're axactly like another character with the exception of a few more moves maybe, but hey. They are a different character. Hence why they take up a character slot. Like if I was a fan of Dr. Mario before melee, I would have been fine with him as a blatant Mario clone because. Hey. Dr. Mario is playable.

I see where you're coming from completely. I think it's just a matter of opinion. I know people who were glad to see the 6ish clones in melee instead of 1 other character. I just happen to think the opposite. No right or wrong.

Also, what are general beliefs on bowser jr. around here?

I think he's the most likely new Mario rep, tied with Paper Mario. I'd rather see Paper Mario because the Paper Mario games sans the Wii game were diggity dopesauce.

 

[TheCreator]

Those are my views on him too, exactly as stated.

 

[3Bismyname]

Jr is a totally viable option and frankly th one I most support. Although I hate it when people stick him with the shadow Mario transformation

 

[peeup]

I think the shadow Mario transformation would be cool. But I just like when they put multiple characters in one #pokemontrainer