Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[3Bismyname]

I just did it unnecessary. For jr at least.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like Toad better.

And Wolf's specials are still different enough from Fox's. Especially Side and Up B. Down B is the only real clone move I feel.

Also really disagree with peeup's generalisations of movesets in Smash games.

 

[peeup]

Obviously its a big generalization. What I was trying to say is that, by and large, each character's normal moves carry out a very similar purpose and they are fairly generic, at least in terms of character. Contrasting that, special moves are where you see big glaring references to abilities in games that characters had in their original games. And that's why we play smash. Yeah, gameplay is kickass, but so is gameplay in Tekken and every other fighter. It's fun to see our favorite characters using their signature moves. And that happens most in their special attacks.

Also, there is more variety in the function of specials than in normals. You can't really argue that. Except for up specials. But that's a good thing haha.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, even in none clone characters there's similarities. So I don't really mind clones at all. As long as Ganondorf isn't one for example. I like Lucas, Toon Link, Falco and Wolf actually.

 

[peeup]

Lucas' specials are a good step away from Ness', though I'd rather they be more separate. TL is good because he's drastically floatier/faster than link. I don't really like Falco or Wolf, they're too similar for my taste.

 

[Arcadenik]

The only clones I actually like in Brawl are Lucas, Toon Link, and Wolf. Ganondorf is now worse than he was in Melee. Falco bores me. The only Melee clones I liked were Dr. Mario (doesn't change the fact I'm glad he's gone) and Ganondorf (preferred him over Captain Falcon, probably because I'm more familiar with Zelda than I'm with F-Zero).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wolf has such a feral style of battling, just check his tilts, aerials and Smashes. I really can't see anything related to Fox's moveset.

Falco is a little more similar to Fox, yeah, but still, Brawl Luigified him a great deal. Far more than I originally expected. And again, his statistics make him hugely different from Fox. Which is the same kinda deal with Link and Toon Link. Yet you seem to accept Toon Link more?

Ganondorf has good, fitting statistics and the very few moves he's different from Falcon from suit him really well (aside from the Up Smash Ganondorf doing kung fu is a little.. Out there). So if they exploit that even further, and make his moves usable like in Melee, but unique like... Well, like it's supposed to be.

I think we've not seen the end of 'clones' though. Or at least, Brawl-styled 'clones'. Which is GOOD! I enjoyed Toon Link far more than Dr.Mario.

 

[Gamingboy]

ganondorf has good, fitting statistics and the very few moves he's different from falcon from suit him really well (aside from the up smash Ganondorf doing kung fu is a little.. Out there). So if they exploit that even further, and make his moves usable like in melee, but unique like... Well, like it's supposed to be.

.... How about they give ganondorf a frigging sword!?!?!

 

[Diddy Kong]

.... How about they give ganondorf a frigging sword!?!?!

NO!!!













He should use two

 

[peeup]

Eh I actually like Ganondorf's set as is. He plays so differently from Captain Falcon that it's okay, and I'd rather have him like that than another slow swordsman who might be too close to Ike. Maybe the reason I don't like Falco and Wolf is that I really don't play with them at all, and at my level of play they are all very similar.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Jr is a totally viable option and frankly th one I most support. Although I hate it when people stick him with the shadow Mario transformation

Bowser Jr does NOT need the Shadow Mario transformation.

He has enough inspiration from the Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros, and side games to give him a well put together moveset.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The twin blades would really help Ganondorf to be unique from Ike. And remember how Namco made Soul Calibur? Lot's of sword fighters there. And all unique characters.

I think the only sword characters that'd be similar to others would be Roy and Toon Link. And even then, they'd be Luigified clones. And MAYBE Chrom as an Ike Luigified clone? That's not really all too much actually.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I think he's the most likely new Mario rep, tied with Paper Mario. I'd rather see Paper Mario because the Paper Mario games sans the Wii game were diggity dopesauce.

If you think Paper Mario is tied for being the #1 Mairo character, you're kidding yourself.

For most likely Mario newcomers, it's a 3-way tie between Toad, Waluigi, and Bowser Jr.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

If you think Paper Mario is tied for being the #1 Mairo character, you're kidding yourself.

For most likely Mario newcomers, it's a 3-way tie between Toad, Waluigi, and Bowser Jr.

Paper Mario stands way more of a chance than Waluigi does, and possibly even Toad

Bowser Jr is the standout choice though

 

[Diddy Kong]

Bowser Jr. does strike me as a Bowser Luigified clone though...

 

[TheCreator]

Paper Mario stands way more of a chance than Waluigi does, and possibly even Toad

Bowser Jr is the standout choice though

This. Plus a lightweight bowser sounds amazing. So idc
I root for paper mario. I think he's far more likely than toad and waluigi, but not quite bowser jr.

 

[BKupa666]

Bowser Jr. is quite possibly our only chance at getting a competent, well-designed version of Bowser's moveset.

 

[Deleted member]

If you think Paper Mario is tied for being the #1 Mairo character, you're kidding yourself.

For most likely Mario newcomers, it's a 3-way tie between Toad, Waluigi, and Bowser Jr.

What makes you say that? Imo, Paper Mario stands as good a chance as Jr. and Toad, simply out of importance and actually having his own series.

Waluigi, in all seriousness has NO chance, the trolling and jokes are fun, but anyone that legitimately thinks Wawa is getting in is delusional.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think if Toad gets in in Smash 4, and Sakurai wants to match the number of Mario characters with the number of Pokemon character (assuming Pokemon gets six slots), I think Bowser Jr. would definitely be next in line. After Toad and Bowser Jr. are added, then there will be no more "noteworthy" characters left to add that are notable within the Super Mario series (the Mario platformer series, which is the biggest and most important one).

Of course, Sakurai could always bring back Dr. Mario if he wants an easy way of reaching six slots for Mario.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Paper Mario stands way more of a chance than Waluigi does, and possibly even Toad

Bowser Jr is the standout choice though

1.Maybe.
2. No.
3. No.

There's no standout choice. Every likely Mario character has a number of points for and against them, and it's impossible to say "oh, character X is clearly the most likely!".

 

[FlareHabanero]

There isn't a lot of stand out choices in general these days. It's in general a lot more quiet.

 

[ChronoBound]

There's no standout choice. Every likely Mario character has a number of points for and against them, and it's impossible to say "oh, character X is clearly the most likely!".

Yeah. I think Toad would be next in line, but even he has several things going against him. Quite frankly, I think its possible we may not even get a Mario newcomer. However, of all the choices, I think its Toad who would be the best one.

On a sidenote, Paper Mario Sticker Star has become the highest selling game in the Paper Mario series in Japan despite being the worst one by far. That does not inspire hope for me for Paper Mario 5.

 

[TheCreator]

God damn it. Sticker Star was the worst. I want another one like thousand year door.
But anyways, I think bowser jr. is a standout choice to be honest. I mean he's the only character left that's in the Mario bros. recent games that's actually important. EDIT: that wasn't in smash. Lol forgot that part.
Inb4 "Toad was playable"...toad was a filler.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

On a sidenote, Paper Mario Sticker Star has become the highest selling game in the Paper Mario series in Japan despite being the worst one by far. That does not inspire hope for me for Paper Mario 5.

*sigh* Japan, for every awesome thing you do, there's another thing that makes me hang my head in shame...

Hopefully people in other countries are more sensible...

 

[peeup]

The only way I would be happy to see toad if it was a toad tag team a la New Super Mario Bros. idk what the **** their moves would be like, but I really liked ****ing around in that game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Bowser Jr. is quite possibly our only chance at getting a competent, well-designed version of Bowser's moveset.

Probably...

Though, I do wish they made Bowser 1.5 x larger and heavier. That'd cover bis main issues of lacking range on some moves, plus makes him live longer obviously.

Also, Ridley wouldn't look quite as big compared to bigger Bowser.

My younger brother was trolling me badly in NSMB Wii yeah, so I understand the '****ing around' thing. Any chance there was that he could throw me into a lava pit he took.

No wonder he's a CoD addict now...

 

[peeup]

Though, I do wish they made Bowser 1.5 x larger and heavier. That'd cover bis main issues of lacking range on some moves, plus makes him live longer obviously.

This. I want Bowser to be living till like the upper 200 percents consistently. Maybe then will he not suck.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Give him his Melee Up B to! Added range, weight and even a few better super armor moves would make Bowser much bettet already.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah. I think Toad would be next in line, but even he has several things going against him. Quite frankly, I think its possible we may not even get a Mario newcomer. However, of all the choices, I think its Toad who would be the best one.

I agree, I think Toad stands the highest shot, and Paper Mario is next in line. But as you said, we may not even get a new rep for Mario after all.

On a sidenote, Paper Mario Sticker Star has become the highest selling game in the Paper Mario series in Japan despite being the worst one by far. That does not inspire hope for me for Paper Mario 5.

What exactly was bad about Sticker Star, I keep hearing it's bad, but still haven't heard the reasons. Not that I plan on picking it up, but I'm just curious. My personal favorite in the Mario RPG series is Thousand Year Door, with Super Paper Mario in 2nd place.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dunno, I think Bowser Jr. might even be a little more likely than Paper Mario. But yeah, Toad should be nr.1. And I really hope Mario gets a newcomer. That way, DKC could also get 4 characters more easily.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

yeah, I actually bought sticker star, and was disappointed..

Not only that, but I didn't get the free donkey kong game from club nintendo because I didn't read the part where they said "Download version"

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Dunno, I think Bowser Jr. might even be a little more likely than Paper Mario. But yeah, Toad should be nr.1. And I really hope Mario gets a newcomer. That way, DKC could also get 4 characters more easily.

at DK getting 4 characters

It took 3 games to get 2, do you think in just one game it would double?

Fire Emblem and Kirby would get 4 before DK (in SSB4)

Just saying

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sadly this is true.

However, Kirby also got 2 characters added in Brawl.

And in Melee, both Marth and Roy where newcomers.

It COULD happen. It's just not too very likely...

 

[TheCreator]

TTYD was amazing, and SPM was actually a great platformer. Not usually what paper mario games are.
Toad just doesn't seem likely. Seems like if toad was gonna be playable he would have already. Peach's move with him can be changed yeah but...Sakurai put toad in a move for a reason. He obviously had no desire to make him a playable character.
And paper mario, being that dr. mario has been planned and in, and now he's irrelevant compared to paper mario, means to me that if he would have put dr. mario in ssb4 then paper mario would make it instead.
Bowser jr. is a new Mario series staple, and the oh really important character from that series not in.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, Toad is a bit more relevant now then he was pre-Melee and pre-Brawl. I hope that he's now seriously considered though.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Sadly this is true.

However, Kirby also got 2 characters added in Brawl.

And in Melee, both Marth and Roy where newcomers.

It COULD happen. It's just not too very likely...

Yeah, even though Kirby is Sakurai's creation

 

[TheCreator]

Well, Toad is a bit more relevant now then he was pre-Melee and pre-Brawl. I hope that he's now seriously considered though.

How so?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Well, Toad is a bit more relevant now then he was pre-Melee and pre-Brawl. I hope that he's now seriously considered though.

Bowser Jr is as well

And even more so

 

[Arcadenik]

I actually want a Paper Mario 5 game. But I hope it is more like the first two games. As a Mario fanboy, I would like a Paper Mario game where the partners are Luigi, Peach, Toad, Yoshi, Wario, Bowser, and Donkey Kong instead of generic enemies.

 

[LunchPolice]

I'm sure there are more interesting characters from the Mario franchise than Toad. What's next, Dry Bones? He doesn't have anything particularly interesting moveset wise and his voice is pretty annoying. If they're gonna get a generic Mario character, something like Kamek would be a little more creative. Why don't they grab someone from the Mario spinoff games?