Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Croph]

^ Lol thanks. I'm praying for 4 Fe reps though. It would be really awesome. But predicting FE is tough. What if we only get three reps? I'm really not sure who will get in, but I wanted to be generous and added 4. If we do get 4, a lot of people would be happy (me included).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm not sure why there would be 4 FE reps. That seems a little excessive

 

[ChronoBound]

I just thought on something pertaining to the rumored Diddy Kong Racing Wii U. According to the rumor, Diddy Kong Racing Wii U will be shown at E3 2013 and is being planned for a Q4 2013 release. Mario Kart Wii U has been confirmed to be unveiled at E3 2013. Its kind of doubtful that Nintendo would release two kart racers back-to-back. However, we will just have to wait and see until E3 2013. We have another 4.5 months to go.

 

[3Bismyname]

knowing Nintendo, if they do have plans for a Diddy Kong Racing, they'll probably hold out for at least another year after Mario Kart. cause like u said, it's doubtful that they'd release 2 kart racers back to back

 

[ChronoBound]

I also have been thinking about Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I know a lot of people are expecting it to be a "FE all-stars" of sorts, however, I think its possible we got the wrong impression from the teaser. I think the FE cast could be wholly original, and the SMT x FE is not so much a meetup, but rather a game that combines elements of both series.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

I also have been thinking about Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I know a lot of people are expecting it to be a "FE all-stars" of sorts, however, I think its possible we got the wrong impression from the teaser. I think the FE cast could be wholly original, and the SMT x FE is not so much a meetup, but rather a game that combines elements of both series.

But this is when you ask yourself, which would sell more, a completely new Fire Emblem with Elements of SMT? Or a Fire Emblem and SMT all star romp?
I doubt they'd show so many iconic characters from both sides for no reason.

Also if Marth gets the ability to summon any kind of demon from this game I would sooooo love to see it used in Sm4sh (even though I know that won't happen)

 

[Deleted member]

I also have been thinking about Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I know a lot of people are expecting it to be a "FE all-stars" of sorts, however, I think its possible we got the wrong impression from the teaser. I think the FE cast could be wholly original, and the SMT x FE is not so much a meetup, but rather a game that combines elements of both series.

Nah, there's no way they'd introduce a whole new cast.

For one, as kiwi already said, having the FE "all-stars" show up would sell more as that would be part of the hype.

2nd, what's the point of teasing people with having Roy and Marth and Ike and Lyn as they showed in the trailer, if you're just gonna add a bunch of "Original Content DO NOT STEAL" characters to replace them. Many people would be pissed and pass on the game for that reason alone.

Both Fire Emblem and SMT are similar in the respect that both are always switching Protagonists and there is hardly ever a consistent protagonist from game to game. Not to mention the game has been confirmed to be an RPG, so rest assured, we can expect to see our FE favorites in the game alongside the SMT protagonists.

 

[ChronoBound]

Nah, there's no way they'd introduce a whole new cast.

For one, as kiwi already said, having the FE "all-stars" show up would sell more as that would be part of the hype.

I think people are just making assumptions just because characters from both series were shown. How else were they going to hype a teaser for a SMT X Fire Emblem game without showing any screenshots or gameplay. The game is probably very early in development

FE13 was an "all-star" game, yet the cast and crossovers from the other games was pretty much relegated to DLC, it could be the same for this game. For how dark and brooding the SMT series is, something like a meetup might be a bit too campy.

I am of the disposition that its best to wait and see instead of making assumption for a title we know barely any details about.

It could be a meetup or it could have an original cast. The point is that there is no way of telling either way, especially considering the only two details we know are the working title and the broader genre (they did not elaborate on what kind of RPG it would be).

 

[Deleted member]

I think people are just making assumptions just because characters from both series were shown. How else were they going to hype a teaser for a SMT X Fire Emblem game without showing any screenshots or gameplay. The game is probably very early in development

FE13 was an "all-star" game, yet the cast and crossovers from the other games was pretty much relegated to DLC, it could be the same for this game. For how dark and brooding the SMT series is, something like a meetup might be a bit too campy.

I am of the disposition that its best to wait and see instead of making assumption for a title we know barely any details about.

It could be a meetup or it could have an original cast. The point is that there is no way of telling either way, especially considering the only two details we know are the working title and the broader genre (they did not elaborate on what kind of RPG it would be).

Well, I guess you're right. But what's the point of a crossover if you introduce new characters?

SMT+FE= SMT Devil Survivor

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, I guess you're right. But what's the point of a crossover if you introduce new characters?

SMT+FE= SMT Devil Survivor

I am sure at the very least the cast from the previous games for both SMT and FE will show up as DLC (like in FE13). However, right now the correct approach would be to "wait and see" in regards to this game, its still a very odd crossover idea so I am curious how it would work out. This would be the HD debut for both the Fire Emblem and SMT series so there is obviously going to be a lot of pressure from both Atlus and Intelligent Systems to make the game top notch, and it may take them longer than usual to get the game out.

The lack of any screenshots, art, or details suggests to me that this game is very early in development. We may not even get any media at E3 2013 (the most I would expect would be a proper trailer). Nintendo will already be trying to get Mario Kart, a new 3D Mario, Yoshi's Land, and Wind Waker HD out by the end of this year (and the ones that don't make it will likely be Q1 2014 titles). On the RPG front, Monolithsoft's new RPG (X) will probably end up up being released before SMT x FE will (it was already ready to be shown in video form unlike 3D Mario and Mario Kart). It would not surprise me if SMT x Fire Emblem was a late 2014 title due to how packed the release schedule for Wii U titles is going to be.

We will also probably get Retro's new title and Miyamoto's new IP shown at this year's E3 as well. Not to mention Smash 4. Nintendo is really going in with guns blazing for this year's E3.

On one last side note on SMT x FE, the crossover DLC chapters in FE13 had nonsensical and silly storylines, or were otherwise quite weak in the plot area (there was not much characters from the other FE universes interacting with one another).

 

[Diddy Kong]

If SMT and FE are both the same, having a different cast everytime, I see it as a good reason to blend the series togheter for a big mash up game. For both series its beneficial it seems.

 

[Deleted member]

I am sure at the very least the cast from the previous games for both SMT and FE will show up as DLC (like in FE13). However, right now the correct approach would be to "wait and see" in regards to this game, its still a very odd crossover idea so I am curious how it would work out. This would be the HD debut for both the Fire Emblem and SMT series so there is obviously going to be a lot of pressure from both Atlus and Intelligent Systems to make the game top notch, and it may take them longer than usual to get the game out.

The lack of any screenshots, art, or details suggests to me that this game is very early in development. We may not even get any media at E3 2013 (the most I would expect would be a proper trailer). Nintendo will already be trying to get Mario Kart, a new 3D Mario, Yoshi's Land, and Wind Waker HD out by the end of this year (and the ones that don't make it will likely be Q1 2014 titles). On the RPG front, Monolithsoft's new RPG (X) will probably end up up being released before SMT x FE will (it was already ready to be shown in video form unlike 3D Mario and Mario Kart). It would not surprise me if SMT x Fire Emblem was a late 2014 title due to how packed the release schedule for Wii U titles is going to be.

We will also probably get Retro's new title and Miyamoto's new IP shown at this year's E3 as well. Not to mention Smash 4. Nintendo is really going in with guns blazing for this year's E3.

On one last side note on SMT x FE, the crossover DLC chapters in FE13 had nonsensical and silly storylines, or were otherwise quite weak in the plot area (there was not much characters from the other FE universes interacting with one another).

Oh, I agree. The game still has long to go before it's anywhere near finished. We'll be lucky to see much of anything on that game by this E3, but in that regard I think there is still a lot that Nintendo is keeping in secret for the actual show. As you said, the Retro Studios game. The Nintendo Direct imo, was Ninty's way of hyping people up during such a slow season.

I'm personally very excited for "X," it's like Monster Hunter+Xenoblade+Chromehounds, as it stands, it looks like a system seller to me.

Also,

the crossover DLC chapters in FE13 had nonsensical and silly storylines, or were otherwise quite weak in the plot area (there was not much characters from the other FE universes interacting with one another).

This would be the HD debut for both the Fire Emblem and SMT series so there is obviously going to be a lot of pressure from both Atlus and Intelligent Systems to make the game top notch

These are the two main reasons I've got an ear perked for SMTxFE, everyone wants to see their favorite FE Lords and SMT protags interact with other heroes for the first time. If IS and Atlus skip out on this, they'll be disappointing a lot of people.

 

[ChronoBound]

One last thing about SMT. I know people have thrown around Jack Frost as the possible rep for SMT. One thing I have not seen anyone mention is that Jack Frost had his own spinoff game, and it was on the Virtual Boy of all things. It was called Jack Bros. Its supposedly a good game from what I heard.

Jack Bros., interestingly enough, was the first game pertaining to SMT to ever be released internationally.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Diddy Kong Racing Wii U? Mario Kart Wii U? Holy ****, what the **** did I miss in these past few days lol

**** that ****. Pacman 4 smash

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a gut feeling that Snake and Sonic are returning. I know several people who got the game solely for those two. Their inclusions boosted the games sales significantly. It only makes sense to include them.

Of course this is assuming that nothing happened between Konami, Sega and Nintendo. I don't think anything did.

I've said before that either they're both going to leave or they're both going to stay, and I'm leaning towards both of them staying

 

[ChronoBound]

Diddy Kong Racing Wii U? Mario Kart Wii U? Holy ****, what the **** did I miss in these past few days lol

Diddy Kong Racing Wii U is just a rumor. Mario Kart Wii U was announced last week, and Iwata promised that it would be playable at E3 2013.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Diddy Kong Racing Wii U? Mario Kart Wii U? Holy ****, what the **** did I miss in these past few days lol

Diddy Kong Racing is a rumor.

I also have been thinking about Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I know a lot of people are expecting it to be a "FE all-stars" of sorts, however, I think its possible we got the wrong impression from the teaser. I think the FE cast could be wholly original, and the SMT x FE is not so much a meetup, but rather a game that combines elements of both series.

If they wanted it to be a Fire Emblem JRPG they would have said it was instead of just showing nearly every character from both franchises and then calling it a crossover. (Hence the entire SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI X FIRE EMBLEM at the end of the trailer)

I am sure at the very least the cast from the previous games for both SMT and FE will show up as DLC (like in FE13). However, right now the correct approach would be to "wait and see" in regards to this game, its still a very odd crossover idea so I am curious how it would work out. This would be the HD debut for both the Fire Emblem and SMT series so there is obviously going to be a lot of pressure from both Atlus and Intelligent Systems to make the game top notch, and it may take them longer than usual to get the game out.

The lack of any screenshots, art, or details suggests to me that this game is very early in development. We may not even get any media at E3 2013 (the most I would expect would be a proper trailer). Nintendo will already be trying to get Mario Kart, a new 3D Mario, Yoshi's Land, and Wind Waker HD out by the end of this year (and the ones that don't make it will likely be Q1 2014 titles). On the RPG front, Monolithsoft's new RPG (X) will probably end up up being released before SMT x FE will (it was already ready to be shown in video form unlike 3D Mario and Mario Kart). It would not surprise me if SMT x Fire Emblem was a late 2014 title due to how packed the release schedule for Wii U titles is going to be.

We will also probably get Retro's new title and Miyamoto's new IP shown at this year's E3 as well. Not to mention Smash 4. Nintendo is really going in with guns blazing for this year's E3.

Yeah. It would be better to wait and see what happens.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Nintendo is really going in with guns blazing for this year's E3.

They really have to in order to get peoples attention. The Wii U is floundering in the market right now and investors are not convinced by the Wii U at all, so it's ether time to bring out the heavy artillery or time to throw in the towel. It's especially important since Microsoft and Sony are potentially going to show off new consoles that could really rock the Wii U even further.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I wonder what games will be shown at Nintendo's 3rd Party Centric Nintendo Direct...If the WiiU manages to get the same quantity (and quality) of multi-plats as its competitors; On top of it's own exclusive titles I think this will be a stronger generation for Nintendo than the Wii.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't the Diddy Kong Racing rumor state that there wasn't a Mario Kart in the works?

In which case, it can be confirmed false now?

 

[dezeray112]

With regards to the Fire Emblem cast for the latest crossover with the Shin Megami Tensei series. I wonder if we can expect characters such as Seliph, Leif, Sigurd, (from Fire Emblems 4 & 5) Alm, Celica (from Fire Emblem 2) to be in the crossover game since their games have yet to see a western release?

Anyways, I'm still pretty hyped about what news Sakurai will bring to the E3 event for SSB4.

 

[Arcadenik]

They really have to in order to get peoples attention. The Wii U is floundering in the market right now and investors are not convinced by the Wii U at all, so it's ether time to bring out the heavy artillery or time to throw in the towel. It's especially important since Microsoft and Sony are potentially going to show off new consoles that could really rock the Wii U even further.

I am not even convinced to buy the Wii U right now. Sure, the Virtual Console Trials are nice but the thing is, I already have all of those games on my Wii and/or 3DS. Now, if the American Wii U owners were getting Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem AND EarthBound like the Japanese Wii U owners are getting, I would be convinced to buy the Wii U. Also, if they actually showed some GBA games which would be the first games available on the Wii U such as Advance Wars, Golden Sun, and Legendary Starfy (for all the regions, not just Japan), I would be convinced to get the Wii U.

So, for now, only E3 2013 with trailers of new Mario 3D game, new Mario Kart game, SSB4, Wind Waker HD, and Yarn Yoshi will have to work their magic to convince me.

 

[8-peacock-8]

One last thing about SMT. I know people have thrown around Jack Frost as the possible rep for SMT. One thing I have not seen anyone mention is that Jack Frost had his own spinoff game, and it was on the Virtual Boy of all things. It was called Jack Bros. Its supposedly a good game from what I heard.

Jack Bros., interestingly enough, was the first game pertaining to SMT to ever be released internationally.

Jack Bros is a great game by VB standards. It's also a game that needs to be revived.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I have to agree with Manly though. If we'd be to get any kind of "original cast", they better as close to as being two protagonists which are only original characters (and maybe a villain) in vein of many crossfranchise X-overs. (-l´l-);

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, I doubt FE will be comprised solely of original characters (especially since we only got existing characters in the trailer, that'd be like Ridley being in the Smash 4 trailer then not being in the game at all ) but I could see one or two original characters (with the same amount on the SMT side as well), and perhaps a future protagonist in it as well, depending on if/how far FE14 is in development. I wouldn't be surprised if Paris was in the game.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yeah, I doubt FE will be comprised solely of original characters (especially since we only got existing characters in the trailer, that'd be like Ridley being in the Smash 4 trailer then not being in the game at all ) but I could see one or two original characters (with the same amount on the SMT side as well), and perhaps a future protagonist in it as well, depending on if/how far FE14 is in development. I wouldn't be surprised if Paris was in the game.

Oh, you mean like the Melee intro?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So, the Tales director is desperate to have a Tales character in Smash that he asked the Tales fans to beg Sakurai into putting a Tales character in Smash... and the reason why he wants a Tales character in Smash is to make the Tales series more popular in the West. Is this proof that the Tales series is really a niche series here in the West? Basically the Tales director wants to use SSB4 to advertise the Tales series. This, in my opinion, tells me that Tales doesn't really deserve a character if it is only for the sake of advertising.

While I don't think the director had "begged", (because who even knows if those are just twisting words around), good golly. I hope this ain't true. Because goshers, this series could deserve more recognition than it gets, but if he's just trying to drive that with that procedure, then maybe, just maybe I'd just wish he'd stick the characters to quest cameos only.
Though while I wouldn't be too unhappy if they actually SUCCEEDED with that type of advertisement (It'd be good for Tales Of at the end), I don't think I'd find that really respectable if Tales Of-series really depended on that.

This is like Fire Emblem all over again. (-=[ ]=-);;

Ah, let me put this way: Namco Tales Studio at Japan, just get more of Tales Of-stuff out. Not just the main games. That's already good. But more stuff. Including the FANDOM-stuff. And spinoffs. Why don't you those in-series crossovers as well? Uugh.

Like it's bit weird that this series is kinda niche in means of popularity, but in kind of a Mother/Fire Emblem-series way: it's not well-known, but the fandom's pretty huge, colorful and collected despite that. Boy, how huge it just is.



Arcadenik: Oh maan, don't stab me at the weak spot there. It still cripples my heart to think all the cheering when Samus was fighting Ridley in that E3 Showcase for Melee and then they'd be met with such a hard truth...

 

[Gene]

Oh, you mean like the Melee intro?

lol. When I saw Wolf in the Melee intro I was like "oh **** Wolf's in this?! I wonder how Sakurai designed his N64 look since his body was never shown?" Then I found out he wasn't in Melee but Falco was. I was satisfied with Falco.:o

 

[N3ON]

Oh, you mean like the Melee intro?

Sakurai's totally gonna put Ridley in the trailer this time but without any fanfare or "Newcomer" banner thing and watch everyone twist and turn as he waits months before actually confirming Ridley.

As much as he says otherwise, we all know Sakurai loves watching us squirm.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

That meanie troll. And he always gets away with it too. (-=A=)

 

[Arcadenik]

Sakurai's totally gonna put Ridley in the trailer this time but without any fanfare or "Newcomer" banner thing and watch everyone twist and turn as he waits months before actually confirming Ridley.

As much as he says otherwise, we all know Sakurai loves watching us squirm.

I noticed that Zelda herself was actually shown in the Melee trailer but without any fanfare like the Smash 64 veterans and Melee newcomers had.

 

[Opossum]

I am not even convinced to buy the Wii U right now. Sure, the Virtual Console Trials are nice but the thing is, I already have all of those games on my Wii and/or 3DS. Now, if the American Wii U owners were getting Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem AND EarthBound like the Japanese Wii U owners are getting, I would be convinced to buy the Wii U. Also, if they actually showed some GBA games which would be the first games available on the Wii U such as Advance Wars, Golden Sun, and Legendary Starfy (for all the regions, not just Japan), I would be convinced to get the Wii U.

So, for now, only E3 2013 with trailers of new Mario 3D game, new Mario Kart game, SSB4, Wind Waker HD, and Yarn Yoshi will have to work their magic to convince me.

I want the bolded to happen sooo badly. I'd love to be able to play the first four, considering I loved the fifth.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Checked that original interview again and it seems ambiguous or hell, just pointing that if Yoshizimu himself woukd "beg" from Sakurai with the Tales Studio-staff. No mentions of fans but that's why I think it can be intepretiated many ways. (-l´l-);

Opossum: Oh maaan, it'd be awesome to see Starfy's other titles being released. I though think the language barrier would be QUITE AN ISSUE though if they won't translate it: this series is pretty dialogue-driven and it'd get boring or even difficult at some parts because you can't understand the dialogue.

 

[N3ON]

I noticed that Zelda herself was actually shown in the Melee trailer but without any fanfare like the Smash 64 veterans and Melee newcomers had.

Yeah, Zelda wasn't confirmed until later, but at least it showed Sheik I guess. The Melee intro played at E3 also didn't have the Zelda gameplay that the final version did.

It seems the precedent would be there, but I doubt the Smash 4 trailer will be the actual intro used in the final game, it'll probably be a unique trailer like Brawl's.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

And by unique, you mean by just borrowing clips from SSE and sometime using gameplay footage showing 3rd party characters?

 

[Arcadenik]

If someone had to beg Sakurai into adding a character in Smash... I think that tells me that Sakurai didn't think said character should be in Smash in the first place. No, they had to convince Sakurai why this character should be in Smash.

Sakurai didn't think Snake should be in Smash in the first place because he was not owned by Nintendo. So of course, Kojima had to beg him into adding Snake... and he probably convinced Sakurai that the legalities and royalties wouldn't be an issue.

 

[N3ON]

And by unique, you mean by just borrowing clips from SSE and sometime using gameplay footage showing 3rd party characters?

Sorry, I meant the SSB4 trailer which will be shown at E3 will be unique as in specifically made for E3 (like the E3 Brawl trailer), I wasn't referring to the bleh intro Brawl had. My bad.

 

[Arcadenik]

The Brawl intro was so lame. It was not as epic as Smash 64 and Melee intros.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

If someone had to beg Sakurai into adding a character in Smash... I think that tells me that Sakurai didn't think said character should be in Smash in the first place. No, they had to convince Sakurai why this character should be in Smash.

Sakurai didn't think Snake should be in Smash in the first place because he was not owned by Nintendo. So of course, Kojima had to beg him into adding Snake... and he probably convinced Sakurai that the legalities and royalties wouldn't be an issue.

Does this then apply to most of 3rd parties? Though Sonic got in just because of sheer popularity and demand he had worldwide. I guess that means then Megaman and Pac-Man would be the last 3rd parties to be allowed in Smash by this regard because both are either very popular or relevant to the videogame history. Would be a shame too because we couldn't see series like Dragon Quest or other Nintendo-synonymous series in Smash because they're not in part to be in unless they're mascots of some kind.

Though I still feel encouraged to see Tales Of doing some kind of an appearance in SSB4: whether it be a cameo or some other hidden thing. At the end Phantasia debuted on Nintendo-systems so I don't think Cless doing some cameo somewhere would be out of place. And Lloyd too. (-l3l-); I kinda look forward to see 'em in some form because there's the director with the team. Playable appearance might be a stretch, but I'd be kinda disappointed if they didn't sneak something from the series to Smash.

 

[yani]

Didn't the Diddy Kong Racing rumor state that there wasn't a Mario Kart in the works?

In which case, it can be confirmed false now?

I don't remember what it said exactly, but it said something along the lines of no Mario Kart coming this year, but that was on the image I had found with the roster (that included Kumatora and WarioWare characters) which was probably someone just trolling on the rumor. This is the original source. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/63993533

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

What the hell guys, I can't believe you still speak about that DKR-rumor seriously. After I saw the roster I instantly called quits and knew this was a fake.