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[Curious Villager]

I'm a little different than that, cause I've been rooting for Diddy so long. Was actually kind of disapointed the unlockable silluette from 64's Smash wasn't Diddy, but Ness. So guess that kinda held me back from using him much, but basically... I only used 2 characters in 64 anyway, Pikachu and Donkey Kong.

Even when Melee came, and I finally got to play EarthBound, I still didn't liked Ness style in Melee. Yet felt PK Flash was kinda awesome. Felt he didn't draw much from his EarthBound self, which dissapointed me somewhat. Plus, already had enough 'low tier mains' namely: Donkey Kong and Mewtwo. Nowadays I stick to Ganondorf, Marth and Sheik. Yes, Sheik...

In Brawl, I basically use everyone when I'm bored of Diddy. Diddy's nr.1, then comes DK, but afterwards, I play a lot of characters. Link, Samus, Ness, Ganondorf, Sheik, Pikachu, Ike and Marth mostly.

Yeah I can understand how that feel's, expecting you're favourite character from the silhouette and then it end's up being someone different. That's what I like about the challenger approaching screen when you play the game's for the first time.

Yeah I get what you mean. I felt it to be quite odd that Ness didn't use many of his own attack's in smash once I found out he toke most of his special moves from Paula and Poo, even odder he didn't just use PSI Rockin as his final smash in Brawl. He did still use PK Flash as well as his Bat and Yoyo in smash which is still something... ^^

Yeah same here. Occasionally I like to play as Wolf, Zelda, Pit, Pikachu and Snake as well in Brawl. Toon Link is my top main. ^^

 

[ChronoBound]

Also, we've had Bisharp who has some Kamen Rider inspiration and IT is Steel/Dark. A Dark/Fighting Kamen Rider/Ultraman Pokemon isn't too crazy. Especially since we have Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and other interesting things as Pokemon. It being Dark/Fighting fits the Kamen Rider theme perfectly.

The "dark" type is actually "evil" type in Japan. So I doubt a superhero Pokemon would have that.

Regardless, I am pretty much expecting the first major Pokemon of Generation 6 to be anthropomorphic. We will find out in three weeks what it is (when February's issue of CoroCoro is released).

 

[Deleted member]

The "dark" type is actually "evil" type in Japan. So I doubt a superhero Pokemon would have that.

Regardless, I am pretty much expecting the first major Pokemon of Generation 6 to be anthropomorphic. We will find out in three weeks what it is (when February's issue of CoroCoro is released).

Well, actually it's supposed to be more as a "naughty" or "mischievous" type. As no Pokemon are actually evil. Think Impmon in Digimon.

The Dark Types are known as 悪 (aku), which is either Evil or Wicked, I think the translation leans more to wicked as Wicked doesn't always mean evil.

wick·ed (wkd)
adj. wick·ed·er, wick·ed·est
1. Evil by nature and in practice: "this wicked man Hitler, the repository and embodiment of many forms of soul-destroying hatred" (Winston S. Churchill).
2. Playfully malicious or mischievous: a wicked prank; a critic's wicked wit.
3. Severe and distressing: a wicked cough; a wicked gash; wicked driving conditions.
4. Highly offensive; obnoxious: a wicked stench.
5. Slang Strikingly good, effective, or skillful: a wicked curve ball; a wicked imitation.

If you look at the attacks, none are actually "evil" or "darkness" moves, just underhanded tactics.

The Pokemon themselves reflect this, or a preference to night time.

As for an Evil Superhero, or rather a "Dark" one, there's Batman. Who as indeed been depicted as morally evil some comics.

Also, Pokemon type are rather stretched if you look at it. Sound moves fall under Normal. Psychic encompass Magic and Cosmic moves. Flying has Wind moves, etc...

Anyway, after giving some thought to this rumor, I think it goes like this:

-Pokemon fan is anxious for new games and Pokemon.
-Pokemon fan sees trailer
-Pokemon fan is aware of the movie and the impending reveal of a new Pokemon.
-Pokemon notices the Pokemon in the statue in the trailer such as Golurk
-Some unrecognized faces are likely new Pokemon
-Takes the description of the Statue Pokemon and adds some arbitrary origins and types based on previous experience (Bisharp) and calls it a Corocoro leak to troll /vp/

In other words, there likely is a Pokemon based off of Kamen Rider in Gen 6, I don't think the rumor is true though. Whether it shows up in the movie is up in the air.

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, actually it's supposed to be more as a "naughty" or "mischievous" type. As no Pokemon are actually evil. Think Impmon in Digimon.

Its what I heard on Serebii (the biggest Pokemon website). However, I am sure the Japanese term they are using for "evil" is a softer term for it than its english connotation. Like someone suggested a "light" type for Generation 6, and someone said that in Japan that the Japanese contrast to that (in light of dark type's Japanese meaning) would be "justice" or "holy".

 

[FlareHabanero]

This talk about characters in this game reminds reminds me of this "chemistry" mechanic that has popped up in my head a long time ago. Something along of the lines of characters having positive and negative reactions towards certain characters, which depends on ether actual encounters or speculative matters due to characteristics. Though mostly cosmetic, it have some slight gameplay influence.

In free for all, two characters having negative chemistry will do 20% more damage, while conversely characters with positive chemistry will do 20% less damage. In team battles, partners with positive chemistry will gain a 20% boost in power, while partners that have a negative chemistry will have a 20% drop in power. Sometimes the chemistry might be lopsided, meaning that one gains a different effect then the other. For example, Takamaru would have negative chemistry with Palutena, but Palutena would have positive chemistry with Takamaru, meaning that in a hypothetical team battle Takamaru would receive the 20% deduction while Palutena receives a 20% boost.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No that wouldn't be good at all...

 

[Deleted member]

Its what I heard on Serebii (the biggest Pokemon website). However, I am sure the Japanese term they are using for "evil" is a softer term for it than its english connotation. Like someone suggested a "light" type for Generation 6, and someone said that in Japan that the Japanese contrast to that (in light of dark type's Japanese meaning) would be "justice" or "holy".

Yeah, they are, they use the Kanji 悪, which means "evil' or "wicked." I said it all in the post I edited, but I hit the bottom of last page... Hahaha

Anyway, a new type would be neat, though I don't think it's likely to happen anymore, but other new types that we could have are:

-Sound (we have sound moves and Pokemon under Normal)
-Cosmic (likewise but under Psychic with Deoxys and then there's also the Clefairy line).
-Light (as a contrast to Dark types)
-Cyber (Porygon Line which could be explored further with new Pokemon)

Anyway that's that, and not many fans agree... Oh well. Anyway I agree a light type would probably be classified as 天 (heavenly), rather than 光 (light), as they do in Yu-Gi-Oh and such, to match the Dark type which is not 闇 in Pokemon.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh damn I wanna have a Lucid dream and see how ugly I actually am. :o

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Since Porygon is an artificial pokemon, I think it would make sense to have a bunch of different alternate evolutions.

After all, Porygon-Z was an unofficial evolution, as it wasn't made by Silph Co.

 

[Arcadenik]

Since Porygon is an artificial pokemon, I think it would make sense to have a bunch of different alternate evolutions.

After all, Porygon-Z was an unofficial evolution, as it wasn't made by Silph Co.

Porygon = 3D polygon model you'd expect in a N64 game
Porygon 2 = 3D smooth model you'd expect in a Gamecube game or a PS2 game
Porygon Z = a hacked Porygon 2

How about a Porygon pre-evolution where it's an 8-bit 2D sprite like you'd expect in a NES game and an "official" Porygon 2 evolution where it's in HD like you'd expect in PS3 game or a Wii U game?

 

[TheCreator]

Looks to me Eevee is gaining popularity as of late.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I would actually like a porygon pre-volution that looked like an 8-bit sprite

Actually, more of an atari sprite, with little detail and maybe 2 colors max

 

[lobotheduck21]

Looks to me Eevee is gaining popularity as of late.

We think eevee will get a new eeveelution so,

 

[3Bismyname]

Looks to me Eevee is gaining popularity as of late.

Well Eevees always been awesome

 

[TheCreator]

We think eevee will get a new eeveelution so,

It's actually confirmed, Im pretty sure.
Also, he's going to be in a pikachu short with the genesect movie. And the fact that you acquire one in BW2, an him being on a statue in the trailer for 6th gen. He just seems to be more in the spotlight recently.
Edit: I sounded like a **** lol

 

[DakotaBonez]

Remember that Devil Guy who appeared as an assist trophy in brawl?

The game he's from , Devil World has an interesting rep. Tamagon!

You play as Tamagon and try to thwart Devil...or something.
Tamagon was actually the inspiration for Yoshi. This series seems to have had attention drawn to it in Melee and Brawl. Especially in Brawl where the Devil appeared as an assist character and Yoshi's final smash gave him Tamagon's powers.
I thought Tamagon was from Bubble Bobble, but Devil World never made it to the west. I'm not here to rant about Tamagon being the best rep or choice for character but I do believe that Sakurai beieves that Tamagon is one of the best things to grace planet Earth, and I think he might have a greater chance than even Takamaru of appearing in smash bros as a playable character. For some reason. Maybe his game was super hype. We'll never know.

 

[TheCreator]

Well. I think that's ridiculous. Lol

 

[DakotaBonez]

Me too...me too...
Almost as ridiculous as Helerin appearing in...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Devil's World is kind of like Pac-man, except it crammed down some religious things down your throat. It's probably the reason why the Tamagon trophy was dummied out in North American version of Melee and completely removed in the European version.

Also Devil's World getting screen time is hardly any form of bias.

 

[Arcadenik]

Devil's World is kind of like Pac-man, except it crammed down some religious things down your throat. It's probably the reason why the Tamagon trophy was dummied out in North American version of Melee and completely removed in the European version.

Also Devil's World getting screen time is hardly any form of bias.

If Sakurai likes Devil's World and it is like Pac-Man, who's to say Sakurai would be against putting Pac-Man himself in Smash?

Pac-Man stuff in SSB4
- Pac-Man as a playable character
- Pac-Maze as a stage (and it scrolls like Devil's World)
- Ghosts as an Assist Trophy

 

[FlareHabanero]

If Sakurai likes Devil's World and it is like Pac-Man, who's to say Sakurai would be against putting Pac-Man himself in Smash?

Read this again:

Also Devil's World getting screen time is hardly any form of bias.

 

[Oasis_S]

I had a dream where I was falsely imprisoned by John McCain, a mecha-mole and mecha-mountain lion were battling, and there were some adorable little Kabuterimon strolling about.

 

[TheCreator]

I had a dream where I was falsely imprisoned by John McCain, a mecha-mole and mecha-mountain lion were battling, and there were some adorable little Kabuterimon strolling about.

John McCain confirmed for smash 4

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Remember that Devil Guy who appeared as an assist trophy in brawl?

The game he's from , Devil World has an interesting rep. Tamagon!

You play as Tamagon and try to thwart Devil...or something.
Tamagon was actually the inspiration for Yoshi. This series seems to have had attention drawn to it in Melee and Brawl. Especially in Brawl where the Devil appeared as an assist character and Yoshi's final smash gave him Tamagon's powers.
I thought Tamagon was from Bubble Bobble, but Devil World never made it to the west. I'm not here to rant about Tamagon being the best rep or choice for character but I do believe that Sakurai beieves that Tamagon is one of the best things to grace planet Earth, and I think he might have a greater chance than even Takamaru of appearing in smash bros as a playable character. For some reason. Maybe his game was super hype. We'll never know.

What the ****'s a Bubble Bobble.

But all jokes aside, inb4 religious controversy.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I would love to see Devil World representation in some form. lol

Tamagon assist trophy?

 

[N3ON]

I would love to see Devil World representation in some form. lol

Tamagon assist trophy?

Forgetting the Devil? Blasphemous.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Forgetting the Devil? Blasphemous.

Of course i haven't.

He's right here in this open field!

 

[Arcadenik]

I actually would like both Tamagon and Devil as Assist Trophies.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Speaking of the Devil...

Shin Megami Tensei maybe also has a character in now with that Fire Emblem cross over... Anything could happen.

Somehow I'm now more doubting K.Rool and Dixie will happen... Dunno why, it seems they could easily skip them somehow, not giving them the priority over retro and new series newcomers.

 

[Second Power]

Shin Megami Tensei maybe also has a character in now with that Fire Emblem cross over... Anything could happen.

Somehow I'm now more doubting K.Rool and Dixie will happen... Dunno why, it seems they could easily skip them somehow, not giving them the priority over retro and new series newcomers.

Naw. AT material though, for sure. Actually, I'd like to see a lot of the lesser third parties as ATs, but the paperwork makes it seem unlikely.

New series newcomers? You do know Sakurai's making this game, right? We'll be lucky to see one new non-retro series, much less enough to shove K. Rool from the spotlight.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Naw. AT material though, for sure. Actually, I'd like to see a lot of the lesser third parties as ATs, but the paperwork makes it seem unlikely.

New series newcomers? You do know Sakurai's making this game, right? We'll be lucky to see one new non-retro series, much less enough to shove K. Rool from the spotlight.

I'm not exactly what your point is. Sakurai made the other games too. In Brawl, we got 3 new series reps, 6 if you count R.O.B, Snake and Sonic (even though the last two aren't even Nintendo IP's.

The characters that are popular and from series already in the game are: Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Roy, Palutena, and maybe a Mario and Zelda rep. If they don't add characters outside of that, that wouldn't be very good. One of the biggest selling points for Smash Bros. is obviously the roster, so considering characters like Shulk, Little Mac, Isaac, etc... are popular, that would be a bad move.

It's not like they have nothing new to bring to the table. If they simply add characters from already established series, that would amount to most likely less than 10 new characters. That is not what people want. At least I surely don't.

Considering the pool of characters that are left, I'd expect about the same if not more new series to be introduced.

EDIT: I don't think some random character would kill K.Rool's chances either. He's in the top 5 most requested characters. He's fine

 

[8-peacock-8]

ATLUS is actually fairly easy to work with. The only problem is that they might want a true rep. But i think they'd understand if they're added as an AT third party. (Plus SMT started off on the Super Famicom)

I could see Jack Frost freezing the ground to make characters slip. (He's a bit of a mischief maker when he doesn't want to murder people) Or the Devil Survivor protagonists appearing and summoning demons that act as pseudo characters. (Exampels: Little Mac and Saki) Not saying it will happen though. As awesome it would be to have ATLUS represented in Smash.

Anyway, anyone want a history lesson?

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I know this is random, but from what I've read in other threads, everyone seems to think that Snake is going to get cut. Why?

If a good friend of your's in the same profession asked you to include his creation in your game, removing him the next game would be a slap in the face. Kojima originally asked during Melee's development time, NOT Brawl's. (I thought that was established awhile ago. Maybe thats just people not knowing things.)

There are no good reasons for his removal other than people saying he doesn't fit. I don't quite understand that either. Sure, he isn't a Nintendo character, and sure, it's a business, but friendship surely matters to Kojima and Sakurai.

I'd also like to note that Sakurai has made the comment that he can't add 3rd parties "willy nilly". Why would it matter if he kept the amount the same in each game? My guess is that the amount WON'T be the same, because I personally believe that Snake and Sonic are going to stay.

Take that as you will, but there is literally no legitimate reason for their removal, besides opinionated crap.

 

[TheCreator]

That article said that Sakurai WANTED to include a Capcom character. Spurce?
ATLUS won't get a rep. Lol that's a ridiculous thought.
King K. Rool is pretty damn likely.
Edit: Snake won't be cut.

 

[Arcadenik]

Anyway, anyone want a history lesson?

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/

So, the Tales director is desperate to have a Tales character in Smash that he asked the Tales fans to beg Sakurai into putting a Tales character in Smash... and the reason why he wants a Tales character in Smash is to make the Tales series more popular in the West. Is this proof that the Tales series is really a niche series here in the West? Basically the Tales director wants to use SSB4 to advertise the Tales series. This, in my opinion, tells me that Tales doesn't really deserve a character if it is only for the sake of advertising.

 

[8-peacock-8]

That article said that Sakurai WANTED to include a Capcom character. Spurce?
ATLUS won't get a rep. Lol that's a ridiculous thought.
King K. Rool is pretty damn likely.
Edit: Snake won't be cut.

Your taking the ATLUS thing too seriously. It's just wishful thinking but everyone should know it wont happen.

Sakurai says that it's a possibility.

http://nintendoeverything.com/67219/sakurai-capcom-character-could-appear-in-next-smash-bros/

 

[TheCreator]

I remember that interview. That article said that he wanted one though, so I was like wait. Lol

 

[8-peacock-8]

Not everyone remembers it correctly. Understandable though.

 

[N3ON]

I know this is random, but from what I've read in other threads, everyone seems to think that Snake is going to get cut. Why?

If a good friend of your's in the same profession asked you to include his creation in your game, removing him the next game would be a slap in the face. Kojima originally asked during Melee's development time, NOT Brawl's. (I thought that was established awhile ago. Maybe thats just people not knowing things.)

There are no good reasons for his removal other than people saying he doesn't fit. I don't quite understand that either. Sure, he isn't a Nintendo character, and sure, it's a business, but friendship surely matters to Kojima and Sakurai.

I'd also like to note that Sakurai has made the comment that he can't add 3rd parties "willy nilly". Why would it matter if he kept the amount the same in each game? My guess is that the amount WON'T be the same, because I personally believe that Snake and Sonic are going to stay.

Take that as you will, but there is literally no legitimate reason for their removal, besides opinionated crap.

Yeah, Snake's not going to be leaving. Like you said, why would he? The only way he'd leave is if Sakurai decided to not bring back Sonic and Snake, which would also effect Sonic. But... why would he do that either? Because they're guests? It's Sakurai's game, if Sega and Konami are still willing to play, and Sonic and Snake will still bring in hype and sales (which they will), and Sakurai thinks positively of their inclusion, why remove them?

I can see why people think Snake doesn't fit, personally he wouldn't be my first (second or third) choice for a Konami rep in Smash. I personally think other Konami characters have much closer ties to Nintendo and just... belong in Smash more than Snake does. But I don't begrudge his inclusion. Like I said, it's Sakurai's game, and Kojima is Sakurai's friend. In any case (I got a bit distracted from my main point ), just because Snake doesn't fit in some peoples' opinions doesn't mean he will be removed. Sakurai obviously thought he fit as well as any other character going by his recent comments about Sonic and Snake. Him "not fitting well", while it might be a valid opinion, won't affect his chances in the slightest.

Snake is still a popular character, Sakurai and Kojima still seem to be friends, MGS is still appearing on Nintendo platforms (especially if that leaked list is anything to go by), there is absolutely no reason why Snake should be removed, unless Sonic is as well. And that situation is also fairly unlikely to happen IMO. The backlash over Sonic's removal would be legendary.

So, to sum up, I agree.

 

[Deleted member]

"Not outside the realm of possibility" =/= "I want to include one".

Also, the Tales director is resorting to fans to beg for a Tales character as opposed to doing it himself like Kojima did for Snake?
Tales character disconfirmed.

EDIT: I also agree with N3ON; Snake's not going anywhere unless both he and Sonic go. And if they go, it will be because Sakurai doesn't want 3rd Parties again, which is highly unlikely given how he mentioned the overall positive reaction Snake and Sonic got.