Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[MagnesD3]

He doesn't if you want to give someone some new moves try Ganon he desperately needs him ( I could see him playing like a heavy Zelda)

 

[Big-Cat]

Kirby's Return to Dream Land sold 700K in Japan alone. Return to Dream Land was easily the biggest Kirby game in over a decade. Its too bad people are too harsh on Waddle Dee. I think the spear moveset he had would transition well into Smash Bros., however, I do think Kirby is fine with just the playable characters it had in Brawl.

You try too hard to change the topic.

With Mario, I think the FLUDD should be avoided. Not so much that it was completely useless in Brawl, but rather that it represents only a small part of Mario's history. I think the core aspects on Mario should play more of a role. Things like making his Fireball mashable up to three like in the games, his Galaxy Spin has suction properties for part of the attack, and giving his ground pound would be better things to go with, at least at first.

 

[MagnesD3]

Also y the waddle dee love, I mean he is a neat common creature but he has no status in Kirby, it's like wanting to add a goomba..

 

[Feels]

What do you guys think about Little Mac getting in? I think he's got a high chance of getting in because if the recent Wii game and how popular Punch-Out was.

His Up-B could be his uppercut and his rolls could be how he dodges in the original.

 

[ChronoBound]

You try to hard to change the topic.

Way to be a grump. I was looking at Media Create thread, and someone listed the LTD sales of Return to Dream Land in Japan. Apparently, the game had legs.

There is also a different audience here than the last time Waddle Dee was brought up.

Besides a discussion on a little discussed Kirby character sure beats the Mario/Luigi gameplay discussion we have been having for the past several pages. (aren't the character specific threads for that?)

 

[MagnesD3]

You try too hard to change the topic.

With Mario, I think the FLUDD should be avoided. Not so much that it was completely useless in Brawl, but rather that it represents only a small part of Mario's history. I think the core aspects on Mario should play more of a role. Things like making his Fireball mashable up to three like in the games, his Galaxy Spin has suction properties for part of the attack, and giving his ground pound would be better things to go with, at least at first.

I still want fludd to stay but I admit ground pound isn't a bad idea for his down b.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Also y the waddle dee love, I mean he is a neat common creature but he has no status in Kirby, it's like wanting to add a goomba..

Bandanna Dee has become a poster boy for WD's in a sense and seems most unique of 'em. He's also prominent in Return To Dreamland as a 4 Player option. Spear-based playstyle would be sweet too.

And lol comparing Bandanna Dee to Goomba. I'd say Goombario and Bandanna Dee might walk in the same line (or hell Goombella)

 

[Arcadenik]

Why does he need these though? Why does Mario need a new playstyle?

To breath new life in old characters. Don't you want Mario to have more options?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Bandanna Dee is one of many dark horse characters associated with the Kirby series, but is notably one that has a playable role. In my opinion that has some significance.

Bandanna Dee pretty much has the moveset already established too, so there is something to consider. I wouldn't be surprised if he was included solely for that.

 

[Arcadenik]

Besides a discussion on a little discussed Kirby character sure beats the Mario/Luigi gameplay discussion we have been having for the past several pages. (aren't the character specific threads for that?)

Because people are always flocking to Mewtwo/Roy threads and ignore the other veterans. If I can't bring them to the Mario thread, then I will bring it here.

 

[MagnesD3]

Does bandanna dee even have a goal, he just seems pretty average to me based on what I've seen of him, Kirby really doesn't need another rep. It feels like adding a hammer bro just cuz they have hammers and normal koopas don't.

 

[Starphoenix]

Kirby's Return to Dream Land sold 700K in Japan alone. Return to Dream Land was easily the biggest Kirby game in over a decade. Its too bad people are too harsh on Waddle Dee. I think the spear moveset he had would transition well into Smash Bros., however, I do think Kirby is fine with just the playable characters it had in Brawl.

I like where this discussion is going.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Does bandanna dee even have a goal, he just seems pretty average to me based on what I've seen of him,

A goal? Not sure what you mean.

Kirby really doesn't need another rep. It feels like adding a hammer bro just cuz they have hammers and normal koopas don't.

While I agree that Kirby is fine being representated as is(for now, at least), the Hammer Bro comparison isn't accurate, as Bandana Dee isn't a generic enemy, and has actually been playable.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think he meant that Waddle Dee has no real purpose. What is he fighting for? Something like that, I guess.

 

[Starphoenix]

What is Kirby fighting for? He leads genocidal warpaths and indiscriminate killings for the sake of cake and sugar. Any motive is more noble than that.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVv-J-LXQU

@Starphoenix
Yeah, Kirby isn't exactly great at story or characterization. Most of the characters do stuff just because.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Kirby was fighting for his cake that feel on the ground.
King Dedede wanted revenge on Kirby for his genocidal rampage over said cake.
Meta Knight was reading a book, but decided to get up and get lemonade but got caught up with Kirby and Dedede's antics.
Waddle Dee wanted to save the universe from the evil clutches of Magalor and become the hero everyone deserves.

Guess which one is the competent one.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Waddle Dee wanted to save the universe from the evil clutches of Magalor and become the hero everyone deserves.

Bandana Dee is the hero Popstar deserves...but not the one it needs right now.

 

[Starphoenix]

Waddle Dee is the hero Popstar deserves...but not the one it needs right now.

Waddle Dee has been ready since Kirby's Avalanche.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Why the f*** is Kirby talking.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Bandana Dee is the hero Popstar deserves...but not the one it needs right now.

Heroes always arrive late on the scene.

 

[Starphoenix]

Why the f*** is Kirby talking.

Kirby's Avalanche.

Waddle Dee tried to get a bigger role in Kirby 64, but couldn't quite break through. After going back to the drawing board he decided to grab a spear, a bandanna, and try out for Kirby's Adventure for the Gamecube. Little did he know it would take HAL almost a decade to figure out what to do with the title, so he was without a job. Finally, after years had passed, and some brief flirtation with the silver screen, a call came through. Waddle Dee's opportunity had arrived.

 

[Arcadenik]

If there are generic characters who I think are very likely to get in SSB4, it would be Toad and Waddle Dee. They are pretty much the only generic species to have been playable in the main games, especially in post-Brawl/pre-SSB4 games. They have connections with the major characters - Peach for the Toads and King Dedede for the Waddle Dees.

 

[Deleted member]

On Mario

There's actually a lot that could be done with him, Mario and Luigi are both characters with the highest amount of moves available to them for specials and stuff.

Mario
Potential Specials:

B- Fireball/Pills/Hammer Toss/Iceballs/Hammer (SMRPG *chargable)/Super Mario Punch
SideB- Cape/Tanooki Tail/Hammer (SMRPG)/Koopa Shell/Turbo FLUDD/Mario Dive (SM64)/Long Jump (SM64)
Up B- SJP/Balloon (SMW)/Rocket FLUDD/Hover FLUDD/Cape/Tanooki Tail/Backflip (SM64)
Down B- Mario Tornado/FLUDD/Galaxy Spin/Ground Pound/Super Jump (SMRPG)/Tanooki Statue/Cape Tornado/Pick Up (SMB2)

Take your pick...

And there's still a lot more, I didn't even touch on the variations of the RPG moves found in Paper Mario, nor the moves he gets in M&L, and there's still much more if you get into suits and upgrades, you could also get creative and vary some of his moves so that they're less like their canon and function differently.

As for Luigi a lot of the same options Mario has minus the FLUDD and instead gets the Poltergust and his awesome Green Missile. Any idea where that come from?

Edit:
I think Mario Getting the SMG Spin Move as his DownB with reflective properties would be cool, as then he could get a new SideB (Hammer Maybe?).

Luigi could change his DownB to Ground Pound, and keep everything else the same but with some buffs.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think Luigi's Green Missile came from being launched from sloped pipes in Super Mario World.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Heroes always arrive late on the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL7PSlUuWPs&t=0m50s

 

[Starphoenix]

In all seriousness though, I really do like Waddle Dee's potential as a character. As a character, he has a lot to bring to the table. His negatives are marginal compared to his upside. The only of those negatives that could stick is his popularity, but honestly, I don't think that is a really big issue at this point.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

In all seriousness though, I really do like Waddle Dee's potential as a character. As a character, he has a lot to bring to the table. His negatives are marginal compared to his upside. The only of those negatives that could stick is his popularity, but honestly, I don't think that is a really big issue at this point.

I do think that there's a lot that Bandana Dee could bring to the table, but I'm not sure he'll be in. It might not bet his time just yet. Maybe after another playable appearance, or a few cameos.

 

[Oasis_S]

Bwuugh, I guess I'll never understand the appeal of Waddle Dee.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You'll eventually understand the appeal, you just got to Seek it first.

 

[Starphoenix]

I do think that there's a lot that Bandana Dee could bring to the table, but I'm not sure he'll be in. It might not bet his time just yet. Maybe after another playable appearance, or a few cameos.

It doesn't even need to be that. If Sakurai finds him to be appealing, he'll add him. Simple as that. Question is, does Sakurai think that? That's the key.

Bwuugh, I guess I'll never understand the appeal of Waddle Dee.

I could say the same about Ridley.

By now you should already know my penchant for cuddly things.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Little Birdie is quite cuddly though.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Bwuugh, I guess I'll never understand the appeal of Waddle Dee.

It's simple, really:

Spearcopter.

Spoiler

(Yes, I know it's Kirby in that video, but Bandana Dee can do everything that spear Kirby can)

 

[FlareHabanero]

Having a penchant for things is probably why opinions vary between individuals.

For me, I have a penchant for cultural and historical things mainly. It's one of the reasons why I find Takamaru appealing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So lemme get this right... In Return to Dreamland, besides Kirby, you get a playable version of the Sword ability, Hammer ability, and Spear ability? MetaKnight, Dedede and Waddle Dee serve as nothing else but that?

I have a penchant for things I think are ****ing awesome.

 

[Starphoenix]

Little Birdie is quite cuddly though.

Not in my lexicon.

Having a penchant for things is probably why opinions vary between individuals.

For me, I have a penchant for cultural and historical things mainly. It's one of the reasons why I find Takamaru appealing.

Yeah, the key is trying to separate my heart from my head. For instance: the cuddly part of me adores Starfy, really do, but I know he has a snowballs chance in a volcano of getting anywhere beyond AT status.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

So lemme get this right... In Return to Dreamland, besides Kirby, you get a playable version of the Sword ability, Hammer ability, and Spear ability? MetaKnight, Dedede and Waddle Dee serve as nothing else but that?

You can also play as various Kirby palette swaps. Metaknight has some extra stuff(he has Shuttle Loop, and some other stuff from the Wing Ability). Dedede can also use the Hammer throw w/out losing his hammer.

 

[Oasis_S]

Not like I haven't tried. And it's not that I only have negative things to say about him. As a fourth Kirby character, he's the obvious choice. Would completely agree with that. But he just seems so... not... going-to-happeny. He's just another cute thing in a series of cute things. Nothing really... associated with him. Like no music or stages or WHATEVER really screams "I can come along with Dee." His moveset, while interesting, just seems tacked on to me really. I think that moveset is the only thing that carries him, and it doesn't carry him far.

So, much like his purpose in Return to Dreamland, I can only view him as "there for the sake of having a fourth Kirby character."

ALSO I LIKE CUTE CUDDLY THINGS TOO:

LOOKATTHOSEANTENNAEALLAWIGGLIN

 

[FlareHabanero]

So lemme get this right... In Return to Dreamland, besides Kirby, you get a playable version of the Sword ability, Hammer ability, and Spear ability? MetaKnight, Dedede and Waddle Dee serve as nothing else but that?

Basically yes, but the main advantage to all three of them is that they cannot lose the power like Kirby. But there are some subtle stuff, like Meta Knight being faster at flying.

 

[Starphoenix]

Not like I haven't tried. And it's not that I only have negative things to say about him. As a fourth Kirby character, he's the obvious choice. Would completely agree with that. But he just seems so... not... going-to-happeny. He's just another cute thing in a series of cute things. Nothing really... associated with him. Like no music or stages or WHATEVER really screams "I can come along with Dee." His moveset, while interesting, just seems tacked on to me really. I think that moveset is the only thing that carries him, and it doesn't carry him far.

So, much like his purpose in Return to Dreamland, I can only view him as "there for the sake of having a fourth Kirby character."

ALSO I LIKE CUTE CUDDLY THINGS TOO:

LOOKATTHOSEANTENNAEALLAWIGGLIN

I already gave you Waddle Dee's struggle of trying to break through to playable status in neat narrative form. He's had it rough, trying to distinguish himself from the rest of the pack. Kirby 64 really did him no favors.

As far as his moveset goes, yeah, you could say that it was tacked on to fit with the forms in the game, but so were Metaknight and King DDD to a degree. Much of their moves were either taken from Super Smash Bros, or the Sword and Hammer forms. Plus, I'm sure Sakurai is more than capable of finding ways to use a spear.

To me, tacked on and thrown in for the sake of are the Toad trio in New Super Mario Bros. Wii & Wii U.