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I would admit that. But I hadn't done it actively (I don't even visit GameFAQs often) and besides, I brought it out because I found it intriguing that Pac's support went way up after Namco was told to develop Smash 4. Questionable way to do it, you can say. But I had my motives. And it wasn't to bash Pac-Man. Most of the time I say that he's generic (and I mean it). But I haven't said anything else. I acknowledge his fame and all, but I find him very generic and I'm not very blown away by his games after the core arcade titles he's been known for.
So I can't even mention that one of Tales Of-makers are working on the game and he even mentioned Lloyd (something even put up as news in Smashboards). Why all this has to be now made insignificant because of Pac-Man's support? I don't want to feel like a hated minority in Smash-fandom because I don't find Pac-Man an interesting choice to Smash Bros aside from his popularity and relevancy in videogaming.
Now that's just saying that I should have never brought up Pac-Man's support and why I think he's not that all of a "great candidate". If people would have bashed Lloyd for whatever reason and show why Pac-Man's better to support instead, I can only say this? Why can't I say "I find Pac-Man boring." for them instead? (And I looked through Pac-Man World-stuff. And like before, I acknowledge his fame. ) I'll admit, I had offended people with what I had said, but it doesn't mean I should eat my words on what I think about Pac-Man or not try to provoke anything with them if they would be prone to do so themselves.
Thanks a lot there! I think I actually had seen this back in GameFAQs before, since I tended to model my moveset a bit from this. Hum.
I did some slight edits to my moveset due to grammar and wording errors, so this should be the version you should copy/paste if you decide to post it in your Lip support topic.
I remember all of this, hahah. I would have wished to show these around when doing my support topic. So yeah.
Could I see those sales data? I remember you posting them around June, 2011 on GameFAQs and I'd like to refresh my memory.
Throw out anything you hear from VGChartz. You get banned at NeoGAF for using them as a source, and even GameFAQs laughs at people who cite them. The guy who is behind that site pretty much admitted that half of his numbers are his own estimates.
In all honesty, no. You should not have tried to claim that Pac-Man support isn't real. It was an unwarranted attack on the fanbase that happens to be more vocal now that their character actually has a decent chance now.
Sonic being "cool" is irrelevant and subjective, as it implies that Pac-Man isn't "cool" to people and again, implying once again that Pac-Man support isn't real.
Fair enough, I never thought they were too accurate anyway, but I was mostly using it as an example of how the majority of the C-List series are indeed slipping (which it still shows even if the results weren't very accurate). Turns out the situation was even more dire than I thought.
I personally still wouldn't classify Lip and anything more than a dark horse candidate. Her series, while not as obscure as others, isn't too predominant in this day and age, especially outside Japan, and her popularity has never been too noteworthy either. Plus, Nintendo really has been hesitant to use Lip, and she hasn't appeared outside re-releases for a long time (excluding Captain Rainbow - which I personally don't think affects the chance of any character who had a cameo in it). It's true that it would still come down to Sakurai, and it seems that he has an affinity for her or at least her series, but I don't think his possible bias will outweigh all the points she has against her. Sakurai also doesn't like using too many Japanese-only characters, and frankly she is quite outclassed by ones such as Takamaru.
Yup.
High. They are popular, they bring in the moneys, and Sakurai enjoyed their inclusion.
Yeah, most of Nintendo's long-time C-list series are very much in danger of dying.Yup.
I guess I can take comfort in knowing that at least it wasn't the only C-list series to have their latest game flop. Out of sheer stubbornness and bias, I'm going to carry on believing it sold 80k, like Media Create says.
Thanks for finding the sales though, even if they are disappointing (though not particularly surprising).
Ah I see. I could definitely see Sonic making a return for SSB4 and maybe we could also expect to see Snake in there. Does anyone think that there will be or expect anymore 3rd party characters?
Game & Watch did not get any new installments this generation, unless you are counting that limited release Game & Watch Collection from Club Nintendo (which was a collection of straight ports of three Game & Watch games as opposed to the port & remake concept of the Game & Watch Gallery series). As far as I am concerned, Game & Watch has been on hiatus since 2002 (which was when Game & Watch Gallery 4 was released).
The only franchise we can say for sure is dead (if counting new games and not just remakes) is Earthbound since Itoi said there isn't going to be a Mother 4. Anyone else could be revived if there is interest.
Yeah, having actually played all these series makes it especially sad to see them falter and decline, IMO while not every installment has done great, overall they all deserve a much larger audience than they are getting nowadays. In general it's very disheartening to see the current state of IPs in gaming. Many of the larger companies are focusing primarily or solely on one or two single IPs that prove the most profitable and are having minor less-profitable ones constantly fall by the wayside. Many smaller companies or development teams are being absorbed or disbanded because their content didn't manage to be fiscally successful enough, even if it was a legitimately decent game. New IPs have to fight and struggle to become profitable enough to even be considered for a follow up, and even then after a few sequels the series often starts to decline commercially anyway.
Chances of a new third party character or two are also pretty good. Sakurai still seems to be interested in including them, even speaking specifically about the possibility of a Capcom character, and as they would still generate hype and revenue, it's pretty much the general thought (though not the unanimous thought) that we will continue to get at least one new third party character. Most likely Mega Man.
I doubt a full on reboot, especially now that the Wii U and 3DS are just starting, but a shift away from all C-List series to focus mostly on the A-List with occasional B-List games seems pretty probable. Like I said above, that's the way gaming in general seems to be headed (at least with major companies), and as Nintendo is still in it mostly for the profit, I expect they won't be any different, which is a shame, but makes sense.
I'm not particularly worried about TOSE or Treasure, as they're third parties that can rely on other IPs and companies for a profit, and Camelot because they have Mario sports games to rely on that always do at least decently commercially. NOISE I could see eventually being in trouble, as they really don't have much other than Custom Robo, and certainly haven't had any wildly successful games in a while.
Which is going to be a kick in the teeth once Nintendo realizes that relying on only the big names all the time will lead to their downfall.
