Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Big-Cat]

Well, They said that they are using Brawl's engine to start to work on SSB4, and they can use their models and model frames. It is basically same thing as you said Tekken 6 > Tekken TT2.

I'm talking about Tekken Tag 2 Tournament for Arcade, so it took them an other year to release the games on console.

All we know is that the Brawl engine was used a base. I doubt models and model frames will be retained as is since it's a big jump resolution wise from Brawl to Smash 4. 3D Fighters have probably had something similar. Even if they had to redo them, they already have the moves planned out and likely have consistent connections to have them redone - Tag 2's credits actually mentions them.

Tag 2 in Arcade was essentially a year long beta test, but that's not a bad thing. The developers were still working on the music and models while people played it. IIRC, I remember hearing Anna's face improved over time.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd imagine models would at least be on par with Brawl for the 3DS game, but have a notable boost in quality for the Wii U game. I wouldn't be surprised if it is detailed to the point of seeing the bristles on Mario's mustache.

 

[SmashChu]

I have a question regarding the rooster.This'll make me feel retarted i feel........






People here hate the Idea of a new mother rep. On the 20 or 21, Shigesato Itoi came out and said he was working on a project regarding mother. Something along the lines of a rerelease. COuld this effect another char getting into the rooster if it is a rerelease of the original in america?

It may down the line, but I think ti's too close to effect anything now. And you shouldn't feel ********.

Keep in mind that the Wii and Gamecube are leagues apart when it comes to sales.

Melee sold about 7 million copies, which is a fairly impressive number in it's own right. This is even more impressive when you consider that about 20 million Gamecubes were sold over it's life time (nearly 13 million of which came from American sales). Super Smash Bros. Melee was the #1 sold title for the system, and it stayed that way for a long time.

Generally, games sell system. Also, the correlation between game sales and system sales are weak. As an example, Mario 64 on the N64 did better than Mario Galaxy (1 and 2) on the Wii. It helps I'm sure, but it can't explain sales data. You really have to look at the game for that. Remember, we play games, not hardware (kind of wish Nintendo would get that).

While 10 million may sound impressive on paper, there are almost 100 million Wii's sold out there and Brawl failed to be a top seller for the console. It sold very well, but it failed to become the #1 title like it's predecessor. This is mainly contributed to the more casual focus of the system compared to the more hardcore Gamecube.

Note that you are comparing Brawl to some of the best selling games ever. 10 million is amazing sales and it puts Brawl in the 39th best selling game of all time. Most companies will kill for that.

Every system will have games that do bad and some that do good. Generally, games do better when the game itself is better.

 

[Diddy Kong]

EarthBound must've had great sales then... After all it got it's main character in since Smash 64.

 

[Opossum]

Uggh, I was doing a random Google search for certain SSB4 candidates in order to get more of an idea of their support, and I think I need an aspirin. I clicked a Gamespot thread, and my God, the idiocy in that place...it hurts.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Opossum: From what I've seen long time ago, GameFAQs and Gamespot share a same forum, actually.

 

[Opossum]

Well that would explain a lot.

There was literally someone there going on about how K. Rool wouldn't get in because "he makes Bowser look like Kim Kardashian." Yeah, he literally said how K. Rool can't get in because he's too ugly.

 

[Orange Fox]

They better not add Pac-man, that will be the dumbest thing ever

 

[Opossum]

How so? Just wondering.

 

[MarioNPinkie]

i think its just me but i just cant really see pacman in a smash bros fighting play style but i guess crazier things have/can happen

 

[Orange Fox]

Well tbh Pac-Man is not even that popular. But they did add GW so I can see it. But Pac-Man is very similar to Kirby and Jigglypuff. The same shape and style, this little round blog. I think trying to incorporate him into SSB4 would be forced. I think there are many other options before they should add Pac-Man

 

[Arcadenik]

Well that would explain a lot.

There was literally someone there going on about how K. Rool wouldn't get in because "he makes Bowser look like Kim Kardashian." Yeah, he literally said how K. Rool can't get in because he's too ugly.

Hahaha. Now that's funny.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Well tbh Pac-Man is not even that popular. But they did add GW so I can see it. But Pac-Man is very similar to Kirby and Jigglypuff. The same shape and style, this little round blog. I think trying to incorporate him into SSB4 would be forced. I think there are many other options before they should add Pac-Man

Pac-Man not popular? Wat?

He's one of the most well known video game characters in existence.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Pac-Man not popular? Wat?

He's one of the most well known video game characters in existence.

I think he means as a candidate for Sm4sh.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I think he means as a candidate for Sm4sh.

Oh well, thats probably true.

 

[Orange Fox]

I think he means as a candidate for Sm4sh.

Yeah for SSB. I didn't mean nobody has heard the name Pac-Man before

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yeah for SSB. I didn't mean nobody has heard the name Pac-Man before

Well thats good. lol

But also, i don't see how it would be forced. Honestly, it's either him, a Tekken character, or one of the few Tales of characters (Those three being the most popular Namco rep choices) if they decide to add a Namco character.

If anything, a Tekken rep would be more forced then a Tales character or Pac-Man. (As much as i would love a rep from Tekken, the series has barely anything to do with Nintendo)

 

[MarioNPinkie]

i think if anyone of a namco rep gets in i personally think its gonna be someone from tekken but its just what i think lol

 

[Orange Fox]

If anything they should definitely put in a Tales character before they think of Pac-Man

 

[dezeray112]

I think it took Sakurai a year to complete Melee from what I remembered, and it ended up pretty good. So I think 2014 is just right for SSB4. Sakurai and Namco Bandai can complete the game in two years, so it should be done in 2014. From what I remembered, Namco-Bandai actually make quality fighting games under two years or so. For example, I think they made Tekken Tag Tournament 2 in a year.

I just hope that they would announce SSB4 at E3 2013 then they would open Dojo during Sept. It would be so perfect for our hype and needs.

Definitely agree with the bolded.

 

[Merceptional]

Ehehe CLOUD IN FF 7? (reference)
Also, Dragon Quest/Warrior characters could be likely. Any chance of more 3rd-party SSB4 members? And I wonder if Daisy will be an actual character, not just a skin of Peach.

 

[Curious Villager]

The only third party character I want to see is Professor Layton. Even though he's very unlikely. They can do whatever they want with third party's so long as I get my Layton. (I know I'm setting myself up for dissapointment.) Oh well next characters I'd want to see is Mallo, Lip, Mewtwo and whatever other cool Nintendo characters there are. They will certainly excite me a lot and getting me to run out and buy the games when they come out. But not to a Toon Link/Melee Mewtwo type level unless it was Professor Layton.

Ah well's that's just me. =p

 

[N3ON]

The only third party character I want to see is Professor Layton. Even though he's very unlikely. They can do whatever they want with third party's so long as I get my Layton. (I know I'm setting myself up for dissapointment.) Oh well next characters I'd want to see is Mallo, Lip, Mewtwo and whatever other cool Nintendo characters there are. They will certainly excite me a lot and getting me to run out and buy the games when they come out. But not to a Toon Link/Melee Mewtwo type level unless it was Professor Layton.

Ah well's that's just me. =p

Chances aside, this could very well be the last time Layton is a possibility for the roster, considering his role as protagonist is ending, and his games are sadly declining in popularity. That being said, there's always a chance that he could be the "Snake" of this game, as Sakurai is good friends with Akihiro Hino (Level-5 CEO and Layton creator). Personally I wouldn't get my hopes up, it's only a scant possibility, but who knows.

Any chance of more 3rd-party SSB4 members? And I wonder if Daisy will be an actual character, not just a skin of Peach.

Yes, and no.

 

[Curious Villager]

Chances aside, this could very well be the last time Layton is a possibility for the roster, considering his role as protagonist is ending, and his games are sadly declining in popularity. That being said, there's always a chance that he could be the "Snake" of this game, as Sakurai is good friends with Akihiro Hino (Level-5 CEO and Layton creator). Personally I wouldn't get my hopes up, it's only a scant possibility, but who knows.

Yeah that's one of the reasons I want him the most. His protagonism is ending and Smash 4 would likely be his first and last chance of becoming playable. Plus it would be nice to see Smash being his last hurrah and all. ^^ Also his games are cool imo.

What? I never knew that Akihiro Hino was good friends with Masahiro Sakurai! Where did you read that if I can ask?

Well Hino was interested in expanding the series to a larger audience and he seemed more than happy to see Layton in Super Smash Bros (and Mario Kart lol). I'm currently on my 3DS so I can't share the link yet but its in my Layton support thread if you want to take a look.

I know his chances are slim so I'm not going to put my hopes too high but I'd be very happy to see him show up in Smash 4.

 

[N3ON]

What? I never knew that Akihiro Hino was good friends with Masahiro Sakurai! Where did you read that if I can ask?

Unfortunately I read whichever article/source that stated they were friends a while ago (before SSB4 was even announced IIRC), so I don't have a link to it or anything (I didn't save it), and can't give you conclusive proof that it was ever said, but I believe it's semi-well-known knowledge (at least around here). However, because I don't have any concrete source, I guess for now it's best to treat it like a rumor. Sorry, if I find the article I'll definitely share it with you.

Again, I agree Layton's chances are pretty small (not as small as some other third-parties, but nothing too phenomenal), but personally I'd like to see him as well, with now probably being the best time for his inclusion. Oh well.

 

[Curious Villager]

Unfortunately I read whichever article/source that stated they were friends a while ago (before SSB4 was even announced IIRC), so I don't have a link to it or anything (I didn't save it), and can't give you conclusive proof that it was ever said, but I believe it's semi-well-known knowledge (at least around here). However, because I don't have any concrete source, I guess for now it's best to treat it like a rumor. Sorry, if I find the article I'll definitely share it with you.

Again, I agree Layton's chances are pretty small (not as small as some other third-parties, but nothing too phenomenal), but personally I'd like to see him as well, with now probably being the best time for his inclusion. Oh well.

Oh okay then. I'ts alright. I guess I'll take a little look around for a bit and see if I can find something like that but alright. And thanks. ^_^

Agreed. ^^'

 

[Orange Fox]

Serious characters I want to see in SSB4 is Sora/Riku, King K. Rool, Megaman, and maybe another sonic character like shadow, tails, or knuckles.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

i think if anyone of a namco rep gets in i personally think its gonna be someone from tekken but its just what i think lol

True Ogre for Sm4sh.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Unless Sega is somehow bought by Nintendo, I highly doubt more Sonic characters. will ever show up Now, another Sega character could be nice. Shining Force needs more love.(was made by Camelot, but Sega owns 'em now)

I'm neutral on Layton due to the lack of playing his games. Anybody got a moveset laying about? As for Pac-Man, he has atleast two viable ways to fight. His Mech from SFxT, or his World/Pac-Man 2 self, where he has arms and legs. I'd say based it upon World(as in the 3D games), since he fights on his own, or should I say, will fight. He avoids it in the earlier games. Minus SFxT. He's not my top Namco pick, but he would definitely be a worthy choice. Since it's Namco-Bandai now, they could get away with a Digimon too(we do have a topic for it if ye want the link). Capcom is hard to say. MegaMan is my preferred choice.(with an X costume, and maybe other bonus costumes of the other series, since they are kind of cool too) What's funny is that when the Capcom(UK) employees were asked what Street Fighter character to put in? First they said "We'd rather have MegaMan in, but if we had to choose someone, M. Bison". I'm guessing they either don't heavily like Ryu(well, he is really bland), or know that SSB has Ryu-like characters and thought he wouldn't stand out at all or be interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

Except that the whole "Mega Man or M. Bison" thing was Ono, Street Fighter director, not Capcom UK.

 

[Orange Fox]

Unless Sega is somehow bought by Nintendo, I highly doubt more Sonic characters. will ever show up Now.

I actually heard a rumor that Nintendo is in the process of trying to buy Sega. So it might happen. But I am not sure how much truth is behind this.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm neutral on Layton due to the lack of playing his games. Anybody got a moveset laying about?

Of course. Its in my Layton support thread (just click on the link at the end of my post) The moveset contains spoilers to the games though if you don't mind that. I've been thinking of altering one of his special moves with something from the latest Layton 3DS game Miracle Mask as well as changing his sword into a lead pipe because I just think it suits him better. But I havent gotten around to it.

Anyway's. Though I havent found anything in regards to what N3ON said. I did find a little thing about Masahiro Sakurai and Akihiro Hino being on some kind of interview or something together with somebody suggesting Sakurai to make Professor Layton playable in smash bros. It ended up with the audience laughing... but at least it means that Sakurai is aware of the franchise's existence... I hope. I found this news on goNintendo after doing a quick google search with Masahiro Sakurai and Akihiro Hino's names on the search engine. You guy's probably already knew this but just thought I'd let that out. =/

 

[Deleted member]

I would like a source please, as I can't find it.
The closest thing I've found was this: http://www.cubed3.com/news/13268

AR: Do you think Hershel or Luke would make good special guest characters in something like a new Mario Kart or Smash Bros.?

Hino-san: That would certainly be a wonderful opportunity!

And that was in 2009.

 

[N3ON]

I actually heard a rumor that Nintendo is in the process of trying to buy Sega. So it might happen. But I am not sure how much truth is behind this.

Nintendo buying Sega rumors have drifted around since Sega went 3rd party. I wouldn't put much stock in any of them, especially if the one you heard originated from... HipHopGamer.

I would like a source please, as I can't find it.
The closest thing I've found was this: http://www.cubed3.com/news/13268

And that was in 2009.

This?

The link off that page doesn't seem to work anymore (at least for me), but GoNintendo is pretty reliable on what they post.

 

[Opossum]

I remember seeing a video where someone in an audience asks Hino if he wants Layton in Smash. Everyone just sort of laughed, but he wasn't opposed to it. Sadly, I cannot find the video in question.

EDIT: Yes. It was a video version of the picture in the article that Neon posted.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah the link N3ON posted is the one I was talking about. Apparently that news was posted in 2008 so sometime after Brawls release. in 2008 I believe at least the original Professor Layton trilogy was out in Japan at the time. And since the other interview was in 2009 Hino seems to probably have thought about it. Though this doesn't proof much. At least there may be a "very small" chance for Layton in smash if Akihiro Hino still wouldn't mind him in smash and approaches Sakurai sometime during development of smash 4...

 

[Deleted member]

Serious characters I want to see in SSB4 is Sora/Riku, King K. Rool, Megaman, and maybe another sonic character like shadow, tails, or knuckles.

I don't think any SE characters will get in, and if they do, you can bet it won't be a KH or FF character. In fact you'll likely see a Dragon Quest character before FF, especially considering how big and historic DQ is in Japan. That game practically BROUGHT RPGs to Japan, and defined the JRPG (sub)genre.

On Sonic, don't hold your breath for more Sonic reps. It ain't happening imo.

Except that the whole "Mega Man or M. Bison" thing was Ono, Street Fighter director, not Capcom UK.

I would love M. Bison in Smash. Smash could use more powerhouse Heavyweights, and M. Bison is perfect. As someone who can't picture a MegaMan Moveset for Smash, I would prefer Bison tbh (also since Bison and Cammy are my SF mains, hehehe).

Any source on that info, I kinda wanna read more into it.


Also, on the whole Sega getting bought by Ninty, I haven't heard anything, but I doesn't seem likely atm.



Oh, and I don't wanna turn this into a WiiU discussion thread, but in reply to SmashChu from a couple days back.

Check your sources on the WiiU bro, it certainly isn't doing as bad as you claim. In fact Japanese WiiU sales for it's first month have surpassed the Japanese Wii sales for ITS first month. According to the thread I read, EU and NA sources aren't accurate, but just some food for thought on that discussion.

Oh and your RichDad sources were too biased (Read: US centric) to be a credible prediction of the future Asian Economy, not to mention your sources said nothing about Japan and its future so my point made a couple days back still stands. I'm not sure where you got your info on that, as my sources say otherwise, and I don't know WHERE you heard that Singapore of all countries is going to be an economic titan.

As it stands it is still generally agreed on that Russia, China, India, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, and Thailand will be the leaders of the East, and Brazil, Mexico and to a lesser extent Chile, Colombia and Argentina the leaders of Latin America as the future pillars of the world economy (by 2050). If you want to further discuss this I'll gladly make a thread for it in the offtopic section so we don't derail this one.

 

[Orange Fox]

I don't think any SE characters will get in, and if they do, you can bet it won't be a KH or FF character. In fact you'll likely see a Dragon Quest character before FF, especially considering how big and historic DQ is in Japan. That game practically BROUGHT RPGs to Japan, and defined the JRPG (sub)genre.

On Sonic, don't hold your breath for more Sonic reps. It ain't happening imo.

Yes but Japan knows to appeal to not only Japan but to appeal to America. FF and KH is very big in America and I don't think Dragon Quest is as big here. So for the sake of us being such an important country I think they'll add them.

 

[8-peacock-8]

KH is going to be a problem since they would need to talk to Square and Disney. Don't expect Sora.

FF will at least be easier to work with. (I'd prefer a Dragon Quest character though.)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

^ this. Especially considering the most popular 3rd parties are Megaman and whoever the Namco choice would be.

Since we don't know the fate of Sonic yet, it would be a good idea to not expect a Sonic character either. Hopefully he stays