ROM 5 !! November 17-18 ! Road to Apex! NEW VENUE! Streamed by VGBootCamp!!

[VideoKidHEERO]

A tournament isn't good when the matches that matter the most literally lose all meaning, are you brain dead?

In case you're actually too stupid to understand, imagine the entire regular season of the NFL is played and then all the teams that made it to the playoffs just decide "eh, whatever." That doesn't make it a good season because it "overall went smoothly"

This guy!!

#10LordThisGuy

 

[Nicholas1024]

Honestly, you can't really blame the TO for what happened here. The ruling on replaying game 5 for Winner's Semis may have been questionable, but that's ultimately a small issue compared to the other crap that went on here.

Anyway, M2K was hardly a shining representative of smash here, but ultimately it wasn't his actions that truly murdered the tourney. I believe M2K thought it was a different version of DSR (his series of counterpicks would have been perfectly fine at Zeinth, for instance), and I'm inclined to believe that he was just playing badly in the game 5 reboot (which I rather expected, to be honest.) The near-forfeit was pretty sad, but he eventually did play, and played well from that point on.

The people I'm most disappointed in here are KirbyKaze and Unknown. Seriously, seeing Canada throw WF's and GF's (at least LF's looked legitimate) pretty much killed any remaining hype this tourney had, and there was no reason for it. After the debacle that was WF's, I personally was for rooting M2K to severely disrespect both of them in LF's and GF's. I don't personally mind if people split, but at least play the sets seriously!

 

[JTsm]

At first I thought Unknown was throwing set 1 of GF to cancel out the strange ending of his winner's set of M2K so he could win set 2 and tell haters to gtfo.

And then he went ****ing Sheik, Falco and Marth.


"Yeah uh, I was just tired and needed the money."

Yeah, **** you too, Unknown and the rest of the top 3.

Might as well give the money to DJ, Hax, and Eggm. They actually tried to be competitive.

Also, when people say,"Don't blame the TO." : He switched Winner Semi's to make it "Fair" That's fine if you manipulate the bracket BEFORE the bracket starts, but not when it gets to WINNER SEMI's. All of this could have been avoided from that one switch.

 

[JustBlind]

Here's a summary of what happened for people who didn't watch:

- Was m2k vs. eggm and kk vs. unkown and players were asked if they want to switch semis cause it would've been regional semis and the players agreed

- kk beat eggm no drama

- m2k vs unkown, unkown wins first match, m2k wins second match on FD, wins 3rd match on FoD, unkown wins 4th match on FoD. m2k tells unkown he has to let him pick FD, thinking it was DMSR not standard DSR, he wins the game on FD (after unknown almost makes 4-stock comeback) Then people tell unkown that it's standard DSR (both are written in the rules but standard takes precendece I'm guessing since it bans more stages), unkown talks to TO and TO said since m2k lied to unkown they have to replay 5th match on another stage. <-- that was what was said on stream, no actual evidence of the TO saying this exact phrasing

- (again, on stream) they said m2k has been doing this (i.e. "cheating") all tournament, though looking at bracket he 2-0'd his way through the bracket so I don't know how that's even possible since he never had to counterpick, maybe he dropped a pools game? Dunno about that

- Before replaying the 5th match m2k wants a button check and just practices tech skill while delaying tournament (note, there was a decently long pause between the last game and the redo 5th match)

- m2k loses the 5th redo match on yoshis

- in kk vs. unkown finals kk is up 2 stocks sheik vs fox game 1 then unkown wants to forfeit, gets up to shake kk's hand

- someone talks unkown into not forfeiting but kk vs. unknown then go into unkown's falco vs. kk's fox which kk loses

- m2k, waiting in losers talks to unkown asking for a 3 way split, which was reported as unkown saying no (whether there was a 2 way split between Canada was never mentioned)

- m2k beats kk in sheik dittos that looked decently real

- m2k plays fox vs. unkown's sheik game 1 grand finals, then m2k goes main vs. unkown's falco and marth for the rest of grand finals which unkown loses

That's the superficial story.

 

[PGH Carroll]

Honestly, you can't really blame the TO for what happened here. The ruling on replaying game 5 for Winner's Semis may have been questionable, but that's ultimately a small issue compared to the other crap that went on here.

Anyway, M2K was hardly a shining representative of smash here, but ultimately it wasn't his actions that truly murdered the tourney. I believe M2K thought it was a different version of DSR (his series of counterpicks would have been perfectly fine at Zeinth, for instance), and I'm inclined to believe that he was just playing badly in the game 5 reboot (which I rather expected, to be honest.) The near-forfeit was pretty sad, but he eventually did play, and played well from that point on.

The people I'm most disappointed in here are KirbyKaze and Unknown. Seriously, seeing Canada throw WF's and GF's (at least LF's looked legitimate) pretty much killed any remaining hype this tourney had, and there was no reason for it. After the debacle that was WF's, I personally was for rooting M2K to severely disrespect both of them in LF's and GF's. I don't personally mind if people split, but at least play the sets seriously!

yep. 10 yeps

 

[Juushichi]

When I think of the chubb I popped during Hax vs Scar and compare it to how I feel now. It makes me twice as angry.

 

[Fuzzyness]

it was kinda a big f u to the 3000 viewers =[

 

[JKJ]

And then he went ****ing Sheik, Falco and Marth.


"Yeah uh, I was just tired and needed the money."

Yeah, **** you too, Unknown and the rest of the top 3.

Might as well give the money to DJ, Hax, and Eggm. They actually tried to be competitive.

DID HE ACTUALLY SAY THAT?
F*** him then. I really liked Unknown before this. And KK. I never liked M2K, though. The three of them should be DQ'd, the money should be given to 4th, 5th, and 6th place, and the three of them should be banned from all subsequent majors.

 

[1000g2g3g4g800999]

And then he went ****ing Sheik, Falco and Marth.


"Yeah uh, I was just tired and needed the money."

Yeah, **** you too, Unknown and the rest of the top 3.

Might as well give the money to DJ, Hax, and Eggm. They actually tried to be competitive.

Unknown didn't go all three in the second set.

 

[randomsaint]

- (not from to or m2k but from stream) they said m2k has been doing this (i.e. "cheating") all tournament, though looking at bracket he 2-0'd his way through the bracket so I don't know how that's even possible since he never had to counterpick, maybe he dropped a pools game? Dunno about that

I heard he was doing this in doubles

 

[reslived]

I am a big e-sports fan. Not the biggest follower of smash but I know what I am talking about when it comes to game tournaments.

To be honest, if ANY top starcraft player or league of legends team was caught splitting winnings it would be contribute to a complete fall from grace for those people. Starcraft pros have been caught throwing games and then banned from every tournament for months.

@Unknown: the last time a player threw a match in starcraft for "being tired," he was banned from the world tournament.

Part of playing in tournaments is learning to push on and play to the bitter end. Endurance plays a role in performance and it is an important role. If Smash ever wants to grow as a competitive game then this kind of **** needs to stop happening.

 

[Black Mantis]

smh melee community

 

[Papero]

The sad thing is how all of this will overshadow all the amazing sets that happened beforehand.

DJ Nintendo and Eggm pulled off some amazing feats with their sets, and Hax vs Scar was definitely a crowd pleaser. Doubles was pretty solid, and the Bowser Team MM was amazing, but now this will be the thing that everyone remembers the most.

 

[t3h Icy]

I like how someone could say that APEX GF was ruined because the hype was killed by Puff/YL. That can be argued. This tournament's conclusion could not. 3/10, this left a bad taste in my mouth.

Though not visually entertaining, it is awesome to see what lengths players will go to to win. Apex 2012 GFs were mad boring, but to see how far Armada and Hungrybox were willing to go is healthy for competition.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

The actions of a few can ruin an entire endeavor, Wretched. Don't be daft.

(not referring to you) I like how someone could say that APEX GF was ruined because the hype was killed by Puff/YL. That can be argued. This tournament's conclusion could not. 3/10, this left a bad taste in my mouth.

I'd prefer a set like that where two people try their heart out than an obvious fake.

 

[gsninja]

I am a big e-sports fan. Not the biggest follower of smash but I know what I am talking about when it comes to game tournaments.

To be honest, if ANY top starcraft player or league of legends team was caught splitting winnings it would be contribute to a complete fall from grace for those people. Starcraft pros have been caught throwing games and then banned from every tournament for months.

@Unknown: the last time a player threw a match in starcraft for "being tired," he was banned from the world tournament.

Part of playing in tournaments is learning to push on and play to the bitter end. Endurance plays a role in performance and it is an important role. If Smash ever wants to grow as a competitive game then this kind of **** needs to stop happening.

This, so much.

 

[Black Mantis]

I am a big e-sports fan. Not the biggest follower of smash but I know what I am talking about when it comes to game tournaments.

To be honest, if ANY top starcraft player or league of legends team was caught splitting winnings it would be contribute to a complete fall from grace for those people. Starcraft pros have been caught throwing games and then banned from every tournament for months.

@Unknown: the last time a player threw a match in starcraft for "being tired," he was banned from the world tournament.

Part of playing in tournaments is learning to push on and play to the bitter end. Endurance plays a role in performance and it is an important role. If Smash ever wants to grow as a competitive game then this kind of **** needs to stop happening.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[AlienAllen]

I am a big e-sports fan. Not the biggest follower of smash but I know what I am talking about when it comes to game tournaments.

To be honest, if ANY top starcraft player or league of legends team was caught splitting winnings it would be contribute to a complete fall from grace for those people. Starcraft pros have been caught throwing games and then banned from every tournament for months.

@Unknown: the last time a player threw a match in starcraft for "being tired," he was banned from the world tournament.

Part of playing in tournaments is learning to push on and play to the bitter end. Endurance plays a role in performance and it is an important role. If Smash ever wants to grow as a competitive game then this kind of **** needs to stop happening.

This is real talk.

 

[t3h Icy]

lo l

 

[VideoKidHEERO]

wouldn't it be cool if Chibo dropped m2k
and alex banned m2k from apex

canadians aren't even people

Lol @ melee @ EVO
being naive and stuff is cool

 

[Juushichi]

Might?

Ha. Ha.

 

[Stratford]

I would just like to say that I was highly entertained by every HBox vs Armada set.

 

[JustBlind]

I am a big e-sports fan. Not the biggest follower of smash but I know what I am talking about when it comes to game tournaments.

To be honest, if ANY top starcraft player or league of legends team was caught splitting winnings it would be contribute to a complete fall from grace for those people.

That's not true at all, during the spades scandal there was a general consensus Koreans stream cheated during online events including admissions from members of Korean teams that they did it against foreigners. Former Slayer's member Golden/Dragon admitted to stream cheating (at the very least not better than match fixing though imo it's worse) and he's doing fine, still getting contracts. LoL players were pictured sneaking looks at the big screen during their grand finals and pinging exact spots where the opponent were on the minimap. Don't act like this is just a smash problem.

The only scene that did it well was SCBW, but they had a government agency and there was still match fixing (granted those people went to jail...) Other fighting game communities have the same problems, granted usually not at nationals.

 

[Black Mantis]

This also might hurt Melee getting into EVO.

This is true. Very true.

 

[randomsaint]

Also, was chillin trying to that ridiculous up-tilt bull**** to Eggm in loser's the same way he did to tec0? I'm surprised no one's brought that up at all

 

[Mr. Happy :)]

Rom 5: Hype gone Disappointment.

 

[VideoKidHEERO]

Did you guys know you can choose to display your Gender near your post count?

Yo....
Troll ****

 

[CanISmash]

heres the thing. NO PP. NO HBOX. NO MANGG0. These guys had a chance to step up and show their **** with a slightly easier tourney and they pull this.

please ban them.

alukard should've given them their entry fee back and dq'ed them and give the cash to the next in line for placing who actually wanted to battle it out.

 

[Juushichi]

Alukard should have used that E. Ryu tech, imo.

 

[AppleAppleAZ]

heres the thing. NO PP. NO HBOX. NO MANGG0. These guys had a chance to step up and show their **** with a slightly easier tourney and they pull this.

please ban them.

alukard should've given them their entry fee back and dq'ed them and give the cash to the next in line for placing who actually wanted to battle it out.

Nah, they got up to that point fair and square. Alukard should have warned them of consequences during the sets that were thrown.

 

[Yung Mei]

Also, was chillin trying to that ridiculous up-tilt bull**** to Eggm in loser's the same way he did to tec0? I'm surprised no one's brought that up at all

i would like to know more about this please?

 

[JustBlind]

Not sure if there was enough time between m2k vs. unkown game 5 to stop and check the rules (though a TO should've been called over), but as soon as fox vs. falco started in winner's final someone should've said something.

 

[foshio]

So is there any governing body of smash... that actually does stuff about cheating and poor sportsmanship?

 

[Black Mantis]

So is there any governing body of smash... that actually does stuff about cheating and poor sportsmanship?

Well there is the yellow card system............

 

[outofphase]

really wanna hear from alukard on this

 

[CanISmash]

that button checking **** has also got to go. our biggest tournament is apex its in alexstrife's hands how to handle it. although m2k should probably still b allowed for brawl as a lot of international players would wanna play him.

he quit and gave the win to hax. if we again didn't have to baby this kid, (oh please m2k play your match) hax would've been in top 4 and could have also prevented this year.

 

[Mr. Happy :)]

So is there any governing body of smash... that actually does stuff about cheating and poor sportsmanship?

TO's and MBR? Maybe? How long has it been since we had a serious problem like this? M2k in MLG with the bracket manipulation?

 

[CanISmash]

i would like to know more about this please?

absolutely nothing.

chillin was dominating eggm so he taunted and toyed with him. thats a lot different then splitting, or throwing matches.

he was about 3 stocks, wasn't giving eggm respect, and kept doing u-tilt over and over

 

[t3h Icy]

TO's and MBR? Maybe? How long has it been since we had a serious problem like this? M2k in MLG with the bracket manipulation?

They're all in MBR though, lol.

 

[Dragoomba]

"Holy **** a Melee stream with over 3,000 viewers? This is like a dream com- Oh... drama"

Suddenly I remember why I had left this community.