DGames Mafia Notes:
Ryker’s #154 feels strange, but slightly pro-town. While I disagree with many of the statements in it, this really feels like Ryker being Ryker, and throwing out arrogant claims for the sake of provoking reactions. It also feels like it should finally bump things out of RVS.
J’s #155 feels wrong. J was always a talkative player when town, and I don’t like how his first substantial post is telling Ryker “Talk with me and force me into questions” when that seems like exactly what Ryker is trying to do.
Rake’s string of small posts from #158-164 could go either way. It’s a string of questions with no content from Rake himself. The questions aren’t bad questions, so if he follows it up, it’s scum hunting. If he just drops the subject afterwards and makes a habit of doing that, then it’s fake scum hunting.
Spak’s #173 and earlier stuff doesn’t really read scum to me. I think his post was mostly a joke and an attempt to get Maven to post more, simply because Maven’s the person he’s familiar with. It’s reasoning I can understand, and while he worded it awkwardly, it doesn’t make him scum. That said, I don’t blame people for getting on him because it’s something to start getting out of RVS with.
Red Ryu’s reads list in #174 feels awkward. I don’t particularly agree with his reads, and there’s no reasoning behind them.
I like Maven’s #177. Solid analysis of Spak’s awkwardness, and I agree with directing suspicion towards people who are just hopping on the wagon.
As of #179, J is being more quiet, questioning, and reserved than I remember. Worth keeping an eye on.
Okay, Spak’s #180 is not good. “Lay low for a while” is not something that implies a townie mindset. Not sure if bad word choice or scum.
Regarding the whole ring thing, can’t really argue with the idea of destroying it. A double vote given to scum is a terrible risk, while a double voting townie is going to get night killed or manipulated endlessly. Without a clear, it’s not worth the risk.
Don’t really like Fandango’s #208. Mostly short responses with a quick question and a lot of parroting.
Maven’s #216 is just overall good. I’m liking the thought process here.
Fand’s #223 doesn’t feel much better. The half-defense of Ryu feels strange, and I don’t see where he’s really gotten anything from his half-hearted push on Spak.
I like Dancer calling out J in #224. Do not like J’s response in #228. You claim you’ve noticed more of WoT vs Laundry but don’t post anything about it? Why? Why not do something?
Dancer following up in #230 is good.
Don’t like J’s #233. That’s extremely easily deflected by “Don’t want Ryker bullying newbies who aren’t familiar with him”, and is something I myself would have said if in-game at that point in time.
I agree with J’s #234, but I consider it mostly a null post. Nothing in there that hasn’t really been said, and the Spak push has mostly died down anyway.
Disagree with Rosalina’s #238, not sure if scum. Leaning towards dumb actually, since support has somewhat died down for the wagon before this post, feels like a silly time to bandwagon. Minor facepalm at pointing out the Gheb thing, but it’s null. I like and agree with the #240 stances, but that could be buddying.
Gheb’s push on WATT in #241 is interesting. Worth looking into.
Rake’s #247 is the content I was waiting for from that slot. Definitely feels town. #248 isn’t bad either.
You know, one thing I don’t get from Spak is the needing a read REALLY badly thing. It was RVS phase in D1. Why act like it’s desperate? I also really want him to do something besides defend himself.
WATT’s #254 is an okay defense. Makes me feel null about the slot, but I’ll keep an eye on them.
Huh, maybe it’s because I know Laundry’s town, but I’m agreeing with most of what he says in the 260’s posts.
WATT still feeling null as of #272.
Fandago’s #276 still focusing on Spak-related crap. This is approaching tunneling.
Spak giving WATT town points for moving on in #283 strikes me as pure dumb town. What WATT did was not a town tell, but I don’t see newbie scum calling someone town for that reason, particularly when the player in question isn’t a huge force.
Still like Rake in #285. His questions are feeling good, and the followup was there beforehand.
Fandago’s #288 is an improvement. Not sure if I like the very reserved reads list, but I don’t actively disagree with his reasoning. I’m a little worried that he might be following the crowd though, need to see if he takes any unpopular stances later.
#291 is just terrible. Really, Spak? Really?
Spak’s #297 makes me conclude that he’s bad at logic. The only people who know who’s town are the mafia, Spak. I don’t think Spak’s scum, but I’m taking anything he says with a grain of salt now.
I like Dancer’s #299. Nothing amazing, but I’m still onboard with pushing J.
J’s #300 opinion of WATT doesn’t seem to hold up. The WATT stuff is awkward for the opposite reasons, given how he started it in RVS and abandoned it immediately despite having reason to try following up. Still seems like minimal scum hunting from J.
Dancer’s #302 is good, I agree with his posts.
J’s #305 is really bad. The suspicion on J is that he’s trying to maintain a presence without doing much of anything, and his defense of the event vote count feels like a straw man.
Going to wait on J’s reads as of #307.
I don’t disagree with Gheb’s 311, but this is not original content, it’s more of a summary of town consensus so far. This is a little concerning.
WATT has an interesting point in #314, I don’t think he ever was that interested in Spak, other people were the ones that really put the focus on that slot. This makes WATT’s previous actions feel better, but I still want more original content from him. #317 is also an interesting point.
#318 makes me feel better about WATT content-wise as well, he’s back to null for me.
Hm, I don’t agree with some of Maven’s thought process in #323, but I do like the first paragraph calling out Ryu for weak questions without followup. Spak stuff is still legit as well.
Not sure what to think of Laundry’s comments on J as of #333/334. This is terrible town play if that’s how J actually plays. I guess I’ll withhold judgment a bit until D2 to see if J improves, but I still like J-scum.
Ryu’s #348 is null. Don’t like that he claims to have other reads and then says to wait for a laptop though. :/
The Maven vs J stuff over J’s D1 playstyle claims is just stupid null.
Okay, serious dislike over Ryu’s #367 reads list. Nothing but town lean reads, on the people who are consensus townies. No scum reads, no major pushes? This is bad.
Rosalina’s okay in #372. Not the most productive slot, but I think scum would have backed off of Spak by now.
Spak keeps hitting all the newbie town but bad logic tells with #379.
Don’t like Gheb still going after WATT for stuff that’s near-RVS in #381.
Rake’s #406 is good content, though it doesn’t really change my opinion on much. The note on WATT about them doing almost nothing besides defense is neat, though IIRC they’ve chimed in on the major wagons and a lot of focus has been on them.
Kantrip comes onto the scene, and his posts through #414 are okay. Nothing particularly new, nothing particularly bad.
Kantrip’s stuff through #424 is fine, Nice to see him making an effort, though his content seems like it’s a rehash of what’s come before. The #432 is some decent pressure.
Officially tired now. Going to leave off at this point (page 11) and pick up later.
Looking at WATT’s #442 and Laundry’s #443 reminds me of Ryu’s scumminess. Very little content, semi-lurking, and what he does say is non-offensive and doesn’t really lead anywhere. I suspect scum.
Laundry’s #457 on Ryu is interesting. There does seem to be something of a Ryu/J connection, but I’m not sure what to make of it. It seems awkward play for two scum, but I could see Ryu-scum + J-town.
Agreed with #468, there’s very few strong scum reads or cases by anyone in this game. It’s strange considering there’s Ryker, Gheb, and a few other decent players in here.
After seeing Ryu’s series of posts starting with #471, he needs to die. Zero new content, no scum reads, no pressure applied… he’s not trying to hunt scum, he’s just waiting around for others to do it.
Honestly, what bothers me about Spak isn’t his early RVS crap with Maven, it’s everything he’s done since then. Or should I say everything he hasn’t done since then. I can’t remember anything he’s done not related to defending himself, and that’s not a good sign.
Hm, don’t agree with Rake’s choice of Maven in #505, but I can appreciate throwing a random wagon around just to get SOMETHING started.
Maven still looks okay in #516.
Red Ryu’s #523 and #524 are reasonable, but there’s still not much active scum hunting from the slot.
I like Maven’s #531 a lot. Succinct answer, and tries to generate more pressure on a scum read.
The more I see from Spak, the less I like him. He needs to make some stances of his own.
Oh, it’s a Ryker sighting in #538. But no content. #543 shows some promise, but need to wait on it.
I don’t at all see the Maven hate in #557.
#560 does not make me feel any better about J. Out of the five people who claim J-scum, he’s going after the one Ryker/Gheb have already targeted, with a side order of the newer Rosalina who has also had a little pressure.
#563 simply doesn’t fit at all. Maven was explaining a question from Gheb, and replying with why he thought Gheb disliked J. That specific instance is not scum hunting, but I think Maven’s done other scum hunting elsewhere.
Yeah, I think I’m on Maven’s side in #569.
Dislike Ryu even more with #583. All he’s done is claim he doesn’t really like various lynches. It’s worth noting that this lack of stances comes about a day before deadline with no obvious lynch in sight.
WATT’s #585 is good, sums up why I severely dislike Ryu.
Honestly, it’s very hard to get an idea of where people stand in this game, there’s next to no firm stances being thrown around and everyone’s playing it safe. Looking back, I’m extremely surprised at how fast the wagon randomly swung onto Rosa, she was barely mentioned for most of the day and then in the last two hours she gets lynched with minimal discussion. The whole thing feels pretty suspect.
#HBC | Dancer
and things.
Maven89 : It's alright haha. We all get those ways. Where's your head at for toDay?
Nicholas1024
have you tried using your cell phone yet? If so, who picked up?
Fandangox - Did you get my surprise?
Spak elaborate on your Ryker town read, give me examples were you thought his scum hunting intent was clear.
#HBC | Ryker
- Did you attempt to target WATT?
#HBC | Red Ryu
did your phone get stolen night 1?
