Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

[Cutie Gwen]

Legit some of the best stories in video games

Chance: 1% Zero Escape is a series with massive critical acclaim, really helping show what you can do with video games as a narrative device in ways that books, movies and tv simply cannot do, however, it flopped despite this, but the team managed to make a sequel and after massive development hell, a finale. There are two major problems however, despite being praised as one of the best games on the DS there's little no to demand in Smash at all which may have helped against the cult classic status, the other issue is the owner of the IP, Spike Chunsoft. That name may sound familiar and that's because they also own Danganronpa, a franchise much more successful and also inspired by ZE.

Want: 100% I'm gonna be real with y'all., 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors is easily the best story I've experienced and I cannot recommend it enough be it the original DS game which has a major plot twist work better or the rerelease which has major QoL additions like the Flowchart and full voice acting while being packed with it's sequel, Virtue's Last Reward, another absolutely phenomenal game worthy of the highest praise available, Zero Escape is my go to example for if someone asks if I can consider video games art so seeing any form of acknowledgement of the games, even if it would just be Zero Time Dilemma which I found pretty disappointing, I wouldn't be able to stop myself from all the cheering I'd be doing. Junpei's only the main character of the first game and I have no clue what he'd do but quite frankly I don't really care, though I have heard an idea that Junpei mostly reacts rather than fights, with Zero, the mastermind of the cruel operation in which Junpei was kidnapped, attacking him for the specials with Jumpy dodging and the player trying to hit opponents with Zero's attack. As for the stage, it'd have to be the ship the original game takes place and by god what a delight that would be, maybe it'd phase to the bases of VLR and ZTD to reference the sequels with each phase having it's own hazards. I've rambled long enough but for the love of all that is good in the world, experience the Nonary Game duology at least once in your lives

Soma x10

 

[GoodGrief741]

Don't have time to rate yet but I wanted to give a warning. This is a very spoilery series and the mystery and revelations are big parts of why they're so great. So basically, if you've played them, be generous with spoiler tags. I've played all three games so you can get as detailed as you want within them. Let's preserve the experience for newcomers.

Cutie Gwen I think you should spoiler tagthe fact that Junpei and VLR characters are in ZTD and the mention of the Morphogenetic Field.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Don't have time to rate yet but I wanted to give a warning. This is a very spoilery series and the mystery and revelations are big parts of why they're so great. So basically, if you've played them, be generous with spoiler tags. I've played all three games so you can get as detailed as you want within them. Let's preserve the experience for newcomers.

Cutie Gwen I think you should spoiler tagthe fact that Junpei and VLR characters are in ZTD and the mention of the Morphogenetic Field.

Good point, felt the former wasn't too important but I should have figured about the latter, the first two games are so godlike they made me stay up for hours realizing their genius genius

 

[fogbadge]

abstain. i have no idea what this one is. noms go to spirit event continues after pass

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Gonna abstain again today, got a bunch of other stuff to do and little knowledge of Zero Escape. I will say that those flopped sales, especially in Japan, really don't do this series any favors, especially if your inter-company competition is Danganronpa. Furthermore, because of it, I'd see it more as a diamond darkhorse/cult classic rather than "massive critical acclaim", since the franchise isn't well-enough known. Still, even with the inter-company competition, the company relations between the franchise's IP holder and Nintendo are good, which is key for a third party character, but there's just too much stacked against it to see it as viable.


Nominations:
DJ Octavio x5

Predictions:
Virtual Idols - 2.37% - I've been dreading this day for weeks, god help us all...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Virtual Idols - 2.37% - I've been dreading this day for weeks, god help us all..

Honestly I think I speak for the majority of this thread when I say that this kind of doomposting constantly for whatever undesireable character or anything is at best tiring and at worst makes you look like a massive asshole, it's always the same 2 people doing this with all characters this gets done for with similar archetypes, it's not funny, it's not original, it's not productive and it doesn't even have anything constructive to say

 

[BowserKing]

Junpei

Chance: 5%. I have not heard of Zero Escape until I joined this thread. Besides that, Junpei’s chance is quite low, due to their only being one slot left and it’s more likely we will not get Junpei (or many others) in the spot, but then again, we have seen unlikely characters get in.

Want: 50%. I do not know much about Zero Escape, but as long as Junpei is fun to play as, then it’s good enough for me. Overall, unpeg would make a decent Smash Bros rep.

Noms: Virtual Idols (5%)

Noms: 5 for Stage: Bowser’s Castle

 

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

Abstain. I know literally nothing about Zero Escape, and definitely not enough to fairly judge my want or expectations for Junpei.

Noms: Rerate Kiryu xall

Predictions: Virtual Idols: 4% (hoooooooooooooooooooo boy this will be popcorn worthy methinks)

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

9
9-9-09
Chance: 0%
No matter the critical claim, this franchise just feels a tad too niche to be included. The series sold half a milion worldwide yet did very poorly in Japan oddly enough and the demand just isn't there to make up for it. Nail in the coffin is that Spike Chunsoft is also behind Danganronpa which should wipe the floor with Zero Escape with all it's succes

Want: Abstaining

Virtual Idols(???): 3.87%
Bandana Dee x5

 

[GoodGrief741]

Jumpy

Chance: 1%
It's a possibility. Zero Escape is a niche series and so is Spike Chunsoft as a company so they're at least easy to envision getting the final spot. And Zero Escape is a series that I associate with Nintendo handhelds so it has that going for it unlike a certain other VN trilogy.

On the other hand, Zero Escape is, y'know, a complete story. Its creator has moved on to a new series of visual novels on the Switch (Kaname Date rating when?) and I doubt they'll hand the reins over to someone else.

The series doesn't lend itself much to fighters as the characters are just normal people and even the ones who can access the Morphogenetic Field can only do stuff like mind surfing and telepathy rather than outright psionics. It is possible that Junpei would use items from puzzles and the various weapons that are used in 999, like the golden gun and Clover's axe, but that doesn't seem too likely. There's also the question of competition: while it is possible to conceive a moveset generic enough that several protagonists could use it as alts, if they don't then I think Sigma or Phi have an advantage on him. While Junpei is the first protagonist and one of the few characters that are in all three games, he turns out to not be as important to the overall narrative as those two. Plus I think they're easier to envision as fighters, Sigma is taller and buffer and has robot arms and Phi has her moon-gravity jumps and dropkicks. He still has a lot going for him but there's enough competition to keep his score down.

Speaking of competition, let's address the elephant in the room: Danganronpa. Danganronpa is... let's say heavily inspired by Zero Escape. It belongs to the same company as Zero Escape. It's basically a sibling series; a less-talented-but-more-successful-sibling series if you will. But yeah, with Danganronpa selling way more and having a rabid fanbase it seems like a no-brainer to appeal to them instead of ZE's cult following. Danganronpa also has Decadence, a trilogy collection+heavily advertised minigame, coming to Switch in December. Honestly however it's too little too late and with V3's ending and creator Kodaka leaving Spike Chunsoft I think Danganronpa's future is also in question. At the end of the day the visual novel camp has Ace Attorney, Professor Layton and Famicom Detective Club and I think that's enough to shut out anyone else.

Want: 80%
What a trilogy, this one. 999 and VLR have some of the most amazing narratives in games, taking concepts inherent to the medium and flipping them on their head to make something wholly original and profound. I can't even begin to explain how many philosophical concepts the series introduced me to (because they'd be spoilers, heh) but it's something that everyone should play. VLR I'd say is the second best narrative in gaming ever, everything clicks and works as a whole so well while still being a mystery you're drip fed (with so much foreshadowing that you'll still only notice on subsequent playthroughs) and 999 isn't far behind. All this to say that any content in Smash would be a delight.

But Junpei in Smash? Eh, sure, I guess. He's a great character, and I enjoy all three encarnations of him, watching his progression from hopeful protagonist to bitter old man is quite a trip. If he gets a Villager-esque "just use random items from your game idk" moveset, I'm fine with it. Plus he would bring great music like... well the entire soundtrack of the games, but some personal favorites would be Quietus, Digital Root, Tinderbox, Ambidexterity, Strain, Consternation, Clarification, Demise, Blue Bird Lamentation, Transient Tranquility and of course Trepidation, the soundtrack to my nightmares.

Spoiler: The songs I just mentioned but now in song form

A couple of things keep this from being a straight 100% though. For one, I'd hate for Sakurai to go and spoil this series given how spoilery Smash is and how intrinsic the mystery is to enjoying it. So if he were to say **** it and have Junpei using psychic powers for his moveset, with stuff like Akane's Spirit evolving into Zero or a Rhyzome-9 stage with low gravity, then no thanks, I'd rather get nothing or, like, a K Mii Costume and leave it at that. And there's also the fact that he'd undoubtedly get hate as the last character as he'd be just a normal dude fighting which isn't the most exciting thing to the unitiated. As much as a signal boost the trilogy would get I don't know if it's worth it, we all know what happened to Fire Emblem.

If there's anything you should take from this is that you should play Zero Escape. I played them all on their original hardware but I'm pretty sure there are compilations on Steam and PlayStation. Play them. Seriously, go do it now, stop reading this, leave Smashboards forever and don't come back

Noms: EMMI
vidols prediction: **** if I know

 

[GoodGrief741]

Spoiler: Nominations post-Pyramid Head pre-Junpei

Meat Boy x325
Corvo Attano x300
[Rerate] Bandana Dee x275
Tetra x260
Senator Armstrong x260
[Rerate] Kiryu x260
Ori x250

250 - 201

Gunvolt x225
Boss: Rayquaza x220
Ratchet & Clank x215
Stage: Bowser's Castle x207
Giygas x205

200 - 151

Sackboy x185
[Rerate] Tails x185
Kaede Akamatsu x185
Concept: Spirit Events continue after the Fighter Pass x165
Echo (Bowser) x163
Magolor x155
Fulgore x152

150 - 101

Concept: Destroy All Humans content x150
Boss: Ender Dragon x143
DJ Octavio x140
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x138
Soma Cruz x137
Mii Costume: Monika x135
Stage: Tetris x125
D.Va x115
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x115
[Rerate] Gene x110
Off The Hook x110
Concept: Crazy Taxi character x105
[Rerate] Eggman x105

100 - 51

Legends Trainer x90
Concept: Next game is not a reboot x85
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
[Rerate] Sora x80
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x75
Concept: Rocket League rep x75
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x75
[Rerate] Agumon x75
Echo (Olimar) x66
[Rerate] Zhao Yun x65
Ghirahim x60
Vi (Bug Fables) x55
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x55
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x55
Jin Sakai x55
Lugia x55

50 - 25

Plague Knight x50
Springtrap x50
Mii Costume: Zagreus x40
E.M.M.I. x40
Filia (Skullgirls) x31
Captain Charlie (Pikmin) x30
Joe Random (MLB: The Show) x30
Concept: Large and Normal Final Destination made into separate stages x25

Under 25

Regigigas x20
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x20
Concept: Bonus Fighter x20
Donbe and Hikari x20
[Rerate] Spyro x20
Nabbit x20
[Rerate] Earthworm Jim x16
Yarn Yoshi x15
[Rerate] Shovel Knight x15
Echo: Ms. Pac-Man x15
[Rerate] Ezio Auditore da Firenze x15
Concept: Bonus Stages to fill out the stage select screen x15
Tetris x10
Slash Kamei (Snowboard Kids) x10
Jesse Faden x10
Infernape x10
[Rerate] Gex x10
[Rerate] Concept: Echo Fighters Pass x10
[Rerate] Q*Bert x10
[Rerate] Ryu Hayabusa x10
Omori x10
Mii Costume: Among Us x10
[Rerate] Brian x7
Concept: Rocket League content x5
[Rerate] Thrall x5
[Rerate] Lara Croft x5
Stage: Tetris 99 x5
Concept: Raizing shmup rep x5
Concept: KOS-MOS with T-elos alt x5
[Rerate] Master Hand x5
[Rerate] Elma x5
Siris (Infinity Blade) x5
Concept: Tsukihime rep x5
Concept: Challenger Pack with more than 15 spirits x5
Arcueid Brunestud (Tsukihime) x5
Firebrand x1

Magolor conjures 150 noms.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Abstain. I know nothing about Junpei.

Nominations: Agumon x5

 

[Perkilator]

Know what? I think I'm gonna retire from RTC. We've only got one fighter left, so I don't wanna keep talking about the chances of fighters that may or may not happen.

 

[ahemtoday]

I feel like I gotta pop back in for a character I created a support thread to nominate. Here goes:

Junpei

Chance: 0.05%

Yeah, I don't think Jumpy has a shot. While Zero Escape has a long history with Nintendo, originally being created around the DS's capabilities, that's proven not to mean all that much when it comes to DLC.

As other people have already mentioned, there's also Danganronpa, Spike Chunsoft's other death game visual novel series. Normally I tend to be of the philosophy that there being bigger options from a company doesn't matter that much because this sort of thing isn't chosen purely based on the company it comes from. However, with these two specifically, there's... a lot of overlap between the two.

There's also the fact that Zero Escape is a relatively obscure series. And while not all of our third-party DLC characters have been massive household-name popoffs - in fact, probably the only ones I'd call that are Steve and Sephiroth - I feel like Danganronpa sits in that Bayonetta or Persona or Fatal Fury space of popularity, while Zero Escape has unfortunately sunk below it.

Want: 70%

I think Junpei could be a really fun way to represent visual novels - specifically that boom of hybrid visual novels we saw on the DS. Not just Zero Escape, but Ghost Trick, Time Hollow, Professor Layton, Another Code, and the Ace Attorney series continuing in from the GBA.

I feel like there's a lot of opportunities for really screwy attacks befitting the mindbending nature of the series. In addition, the series' horror aspects could make this a bit of a two-for-one when it comes to unrepresented genres in Smash.

 

[fogbadge]

Know what? I think I'm gonna retire from RTC. We've only got one fighter left, so I don't wanna keep talking about the chances of fighters that may or may not happen.

thats the entire premise of the thread though

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Know what? I think I'm gonna retire from RTC. We've only got one fighter left, so I don't wanna keep talking about the chances of fighters that may or may not happen.

You do you but at this point we'll might as well stick around and finish the game since we're getting so close to the end anyway. That's how I feel about it at least.

 

[Sari]

Day over.

Rate Concept: Virtual idols like Hatsune Miku.

• This concept is in regards to a character from a vocaloid software, such as Hatsune Miku. Basically anything in the style of AI made idols.
• This is about virtual AI idols, so characters from singing games such as Idolmaster do not count.
• Vtubers such as Korone and Gura do not count for this either.

Predict Concept: Danganronpa protagonist.

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Music for today:

Spoiler: Virtual Idol Music

 

[DanganZilla5]

Pretty much just Miku

Chance: ??

IDK. The thing is I was in the middle of a paragraph explaining why virtual idols could be considered video game characters because they are created in music software. In order to animate those characters for use in games and other media, they have to be animated and thus are controlled in a virtual space. That right there fits with the definition of a video game.....except that I forgot animated movies exist and we don't call the characters from those video game characters just because people moved them around and animated them in software.

So **** if I know. I feel like there might be a loophole if we really squint but I'm not sure if music software can necessarily be called a video game, even if characters can be created from them. This is a situation where I wish Sakurai would just comment on it so we would know for sure. Because if Miku was a video game character, she would have a good chance due to her being extremely popular in Japan. But due to the grey area she is in, there is no way to pinpoint her chances without completely shooting in the dark. She could easily have a 0% or a 50% but we would not know this at all unless we used mind-reading technology. Also, what happens if Nintendo wanted Miku in and they consider her a video game character but Sakurai doesn't think so? Would he be able to veto her based on that? Because he only mentioned vetoing characters if they couldn't be realized as a playable fighter. So many questions, it makes my head hurt.

Want: 25%

Putting aside the fact that virtual idols might not be video game characters, I'm just not interested. I'm not a big fan of rhythm games, aside from Taiko no Tatsujin which has an adorable mascot whom I actually want. The only virtual idol whom I'm familiar with is the one who everyone is familiar with: Miku. And while I think she is cute and would have a very amusing moveset based around dancing, there's a caveat. My problem with the idols is that they would probably come with mostly Japanese music and I don't listen to many vocal Japanese songs. I know some of you anime fans will sigh in disapproval but if I'm going to listen to vocal music without subtitles, especially during a fight, I would prefer to hear it in a language I'll understand. And the few Japanese songs that I listen to, like Cha-La Head Cha-La, would be disqualified from being included.

Prediction: Danganronpa protagonist - 11%

Noms: Destroy All Humans content x10

 

[DaUsername]

Abstain Junpei.
Idol prediction:1%
Noms: DJ Octavio x5

 

[Commander_Alph]

Virtual Idol

Chances: 2%
This more of a stretch than visual novel since it offer us a visualization, people here may not have touched the Vocaloid Software yet but it is essentially just you average tuning software, the only character is the one that we see on the cover and you have to use your creativity to made up their personality, I don't know how you consider this a video game as this is like saying Adobe AE is one too.

And I haven't even mentioned the music which most of those are licensed, there are some "original" one that you could see in the official Hatsune Miku channel on YouTube but still most of them that appear in Project Diva need permission from the artist and would be a hassle to do.

We probably need to wait a little longer for IP the to be bought by SEGA fully to be somewhat allowed.



Want: 10%
This is for Miku specifically since that's the only character that people know of, even for her song I'm not really that ecstatic it's just alright across the board and this is coming from someone who listen to Vocaloid song 24/7.

I guess she could have a fun moveset but I'm not really a fan of most of them.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Virtual Idols

Chance: 0% - Plain and simple, they aren't video game characters. I know people are going to try to use games like Mario Paint as justification, but just because one is a digitally animated character doesn't make them qualified for Smash, otherwise I'd genuinely campaigning to get Shrek into the game. The only virtual idols that can even come close are Vocaloids and even that's pushing it. They're the mascots of voice synthesizer software, and as far as I'm aware they don't appear in the software itself. MMD doesn't count, that's (very VERY janky) dance simulation/animation software. "B-BUT THE PROJECT DIVA-" NOT VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS. The Project Diva games are licensed. Trying to say that Miku is a SEGA character is like trying to say that Scrooge McDuck is a Capcom character. It just doesn't work... And even if Miku WERE a SEGA character for whatever reason, she'd suffer from extreme competition by everything SEGA has to offer. Alongside that, Project Diva's niche compared to other rhythm games, so it's not even a frontrunner for its genre. But again, it doesn't matter. Virtual Idols are not game characters, they are not qualified for Smash.

Want: 0% - If they counted then the character would probably be Miku. And I do not like Miku. Her voice is shrill and difficult to listen to (a lot of the older Vocaloids aged horribly), her model (as most Miku models) would no doubt be extremely ugly, and she came back to prominence in online communities via some extremely insufferable memes. She's one of the two big example (the other being Red from Pokemon) that just because you're the first, doesn't mean you're the best. Furthermore, even if I had to pick a Vocaloid I'd pick Meiko (criminally underrated design-wise), or Teto (well, she's an UTAU, but still). And even beyond that, there's other Rhythm game AND idol reps that I would pick over Vocaloid. Rhythm game? Don-chan's got that covered! Gaming idols? Go with Idolm@ster! Both would be WAY better options that I'd actually happy to see (of course, not over the Prince, but that's not the point). Granted, she WOULD bring a lot to the table, but Miku really isn't the way to do it. I have no fondness for the frontrunner of the concept, and there are just too many other options both in the category AND qualified for Smash that I'd like so much better just makes it impossible for me to want to see this come true.


Nominations:
DJ Octavio x10

Predictions:
Danganronpa Protagonist - 18.25% - The trilogy release on Switch will help their scores a ton, along with Sakurai's preference for player characters over mascots most of the time, but given how much this community loves this franchise I am expecting higher scores than normal.

 

[Jomosensual]

Virtual Idols

Double 0s

Gonna do want first because that's the easier of the two. I very badly do not want Virtual Idols anywhere near Smash. While yes, Hatsune Miku is technically a video game character, she's really not known for gaming and feels way too close to the 4th party line for my liking. Even someone like Carmen Sandiego has at least a little bit of a reputation to gaming, even if it's not much at all. Miku just doesn't. So yeah, props to whoever thought of this for coming up with an interesting and unique idea but I don't want this anywhere near Smash personally.

For chance, I just don't see Sakurai being interested in this. There's just so many other video game characters who are known more for gaming that he'd probably want in first. Also, I really can't see Nintendo being like "Alright, listen. Our demands have been characters like Steve or Kazuya, but now we're going in a totally different direction." Just overall I don't see why either party would want this. Both Sakurai and Nintendo have been pretty good about not touching the 4th party line. While this isn't 4th party, it's very, very close to it

Noms
Joe Random x all

 

[Sari]

Abstaining on virtual idols.

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Danganronpa chance prediction: 20.00%

Nominations:
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x5

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Abstaining, not knowledgable enough to rate either concept, 5 noms to Soma

 

[Lyncario]

Before I do my ratings for today, I would like to say that I began voting for this concept kinda as a joke, as a "but what if tho?" kind of stuff, but then it got accepted I couldn't do anything but go along with it. So yeah. Now onto the ratings.

Vocaloids and other virtual idols like them, but more specifically Miku

Chance: 5%

Now something interesting about this concept is that it includes Callie and Marie from Splatoon, since they do have concerts where they appear as holograms, but they got mii'ed so bad luck for them, but hey, it proves that Nintendo knows about the success of Vocaloids since they made their own. Now, The main focus is are obviously vocaloids, the group of virtual idols that's by far the most known and popular, in big part due to Hatsune Miku being part of them. Now, to start things with, do they count as a video game or something among the lines of it? Well, Vocaloid was originaly a software, with anime-ish characters drawn on their covers to make them more apealing (Miku was one of the first gen vocaloids, for the info), and while it's not exactly a video game, the way that the software evolved kinda makes between a pure software and a video game that lets you make video games, like Gamebuilder Garage or Dreams, so it's a definite maybe. Now, something about vocaloids, and more speficially Miku, is that not only are they extremly popular and iconic (you've heard Miku singing before for sure, even if you don't realize it), in the way that Dominos Pizza actualy had a collab wih Miku to sell their apps and so their pizza

Incredible, I know. But not only that, Miku is extremly influencial, not only being the origin of many virtual idols after her, notably the vocaloid generations that came after her, since there's a lot after all, but also vtubers, who are undeniably an at least notable part of current youtube, twitch, and social medias, no matter if you like them or not. And on top of that, Miku payed herself the luxury to have her name on Miku Miku Dance, more commmonly known as the abreviation MMD, the main 3D software that people used until Blender became super popular, and even then MMD is still very used, especialy by Japanese fan-animators who want to do 3d animations of their favorite series, most often Vocaloid or Touhou (small aparte on Touhou here, Bad Apple has been made in MMD, and even caused a mini-war between the Touhou and Vocaloid fanbase like 10 years ago, but it's thankfully long since over. Also it was only between the western sides of both fandoms, since the Japanese sides of both knew very well about each others, as said mini-war was mostly because of misinformation). So yeah, Miku is popuar, relevant, influencial, iconic, but also she's owned by Sega, and she's from their biggest series that's unrepresented in Smash, which doesn't say that much since only Sonic is bigger than Vocaloid for Sega ips. But yeah, it's kinda notable. The 5% comes from the incertainity of if she's eligible, since it's basically the greyest are possible when it comes to being a video game character or not, for an otherwise record that as perfect as you can possibly imagine for a smash candidate. Also there are Vocaloid games on the Switch, so she could represent rythm games, which is neat.

Want: 95%

Vocaloids or Miku in Smash would just be amazing, and not just on the way that it would spread pure unaltered chaos trough the fanbase when it comes to many things, not only speculation, but also because I like Vocaloids a lot. Miku is pretty much the only option they could ever go with, considering her massive overwhelming popularity compared to her genmates and kouhais Vocaloids. A big point would be the music, since she would be a rythm character in a way, and while a bunch of it is copyrighted outside of smash or fanmade, there's still enough original stuff from the vocaloid games from what I know to give a great selection. And the stage could be so original, it could be a concert stage that models itself while the fight is going on, which could be so amazing (with the bf and omega form having the concert stage already being modeled and in the background), especialy since hearing vocaloid tracks while fighting on a stage like this would be incredible. And also, she could have a very fun rythm based moveset that would also have her use her leek as a weapon. Because yes, Miku has a leek, and she can use it as a weapon. It's pretty badass when you get behind the absurdity of it.

 

[BowserKing]

Virtual Idols

Chance: 5%. This is one of the more difficult spots to talk about, since virtual idols would either way be one of the most unexpected choices yet. Besides that, there are multiple options and only one spot left, so they may not be in this game, not even as a Mii Costume.

Want: 50%. I’m on the fence on this since, since having a Virtual Idol being playable would open a new can of worms, but not that big of a can. But as long as they are fun to play as, then it’s good enough for me. Overall, a Virtual Fighter would be one of the most unexpected fighters yet.

Prediction: Danganronpa protagonist: 5%

Noms: 5 for Boss: Rayquaza

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

''HATSUNE MIKU?!?''
Double zeroes
Virtual idols are not videogame characters, plain and simple. People attending a vocaloid concert aren't playing a game. Project Diva does not count since a lot of these virtual idols originated as voice synthesizer software. Can you consider that a videogame? It's subjective I guess but I think if you might as well call MS Paint a videogame if you're asking that. Even if there's some kind of loophole in the vocaloids favor, Nintendo likely would still be questioning this. Thus I don't see them taking the risk. Since I larely agree with the vidya only rule I wouldn't want this. Lets's not open Pandora's box here, you know people would point at this to request Goku en masse. I don't have any atachment to these vocaloids anyway and I would rather have other characters even if they were from videogames.

Danganronpa: 16.55%
Rhythm Heaven rep x10

 

[fogbadge]

abstain. i dont know much about virtual idols but what i do know is would suggest they arent video game characters. with the exception of tiki obviously. noms go to spirit events continue after pass

 

[GoodGrief741]

I'm just gonna rate Hatsune Miku since I don't know anyone else that qualifies

Chance: 2.5%
I guess it's up to me to make the argument that Vocaloids are video game characters. To do this we have to get into the distinction between software and videogame. The purpose of software is purely utilitarian; you use software to do something, or to make something with it, and that's it. A video game is a work of art, so even if the user or player gets something done with it, the main purpose should be to elicit emotion from them (that can range from something complex like catharsis or emotional attachment to fictional entities to something as simple as having fun). Vocaloids were marketed both to professionals and amateurs, due to their ease of use, though there is an argument to be made that it lacks the clear "this was made to have fun with" design that characterizes the likes of, say, Mario Paint or WarioWare DIY. So the answer to this question is so far inconclusive.

An easy way to distinguish between mere software and video game is whether there is a fictional world or narrative (this is a sufficient but not necessary aspect, as many videogames lack these; think early arcade games, multiplayer only games, and Minecraft as examples). In the case of Miku and the Vocaloids, even before the Project DIVA games, a major selling point was the idea that they are "singers in a box" and promoted them like real idols, with fictional backstories and the like. That might seem a bit meta, but consider this: videogames having their plotlines relegated to manuals or other external material isn't a new thing. You couldn't really get the plot of Donkey Kong or Metroid or Mega Man without the manual. While this might no longer have been commonplace in the 2000s when Vocaloid was released, it's not that different from stuff we accepted in videogames. The player is supposed to get attached to and invested in these fictional characters within the software. I think that seals the deal, I can't conceive of any "pure software" that fills that criteria without becoming a videogame (though that might be a tautology given my definitions).

Ultimately, I consider Miku a videogame character, however I am fairly lax when it comes to gray areas. If a character is mainly known as or commonly believed to be a videogame character I think that's good enough, and Miku fits the bill. However, despite the interesting discussion that the topic begets, at the end of the day only one man's opinion matters, and we simply can't know what Sakurai thinks. Therefore I'm cutting Miku's odds in half.

Want: abstain
I'm all for Miku but this concept is technically about more than her and I don't want to give a high score to a vast unknown just because I like the one realistic candidate.

Noms: EMMI
Danganronpa rating number 8 billion: 11.5%

 

[GoodGrief741]

Just noticed that the thread title hasn't been changed since Pyramid Head, which might explain the low turnout for Junpei's day. TCT~Phantom Sari can you change it?

Also, today is the last day you can change the top seven before it's locked.

Spoiler: Nominations post-Junpei pre-Concept: Virtual idols like Hatsune Miku

Meat Boy x325
Corvo Attano x300
[Rerate] Bandana Dee x280
[Rerate] Kiryu x265
Tetra x260
Senator Armstrong x260
Ori x250

250 - 201

Gunvolt x225
Boss: Rayquaza x220
Ratchet & Clank x215
Stage: Bowser's Castle x207
Giygas x205

200 - 151

Sackboy x185
[Rerate] Tails x185
Kaede Akamatsu x185
Concept: Spirit Events continue after the Fighter Pass x170
Echo (Bowser) x163
Concept: Destroy All Humans content x160
Magolor x155
Fulgore x152

150 - 101

DJ Octavio x150
Boss: Ender Dragon x143
Soma Cruz x142
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x138
Mii Costume: Monika x135
Stage: Tetris x125
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x120
D.Va x115
[Rerate] Gene x110
Off The Hook x110
[Rerate] Eggman x107
Concept: Crazy Taxi character x105

100 - 51

Legends Trainer x90
Concept: Next game is not a reboot x85
[Rerate] Sora x83
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
[Rerate] Agumon x80
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x75
Concept: Rocket League rep x75
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x75
Echo (Olimar) x66
[Rerate] Zhao Yun x65
Ghirahim x60
E.M.M.I. x60
Vi (Bug Fables) x55
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x55
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x55
Jin Sakai x55
Lugia x55

50 - 25

Plague Knight x50
Springtrap x50
Mii Costume: Zagreus x40
Filia (Skullgirls) x31
Captain Charlie (Pikmin) x30
Joe Random (MLB: The Show) x30
Concept: Large and Normal Final Destination made into separate stages x25

Under 25

Regigigas x20
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x20
Concept: Bonus Fighter x20
Donbe and Hikari x20
[Rerate] Spyro x20
Nabbit x20
[Rerate] Earthworm Jim x16
Yarn Yoshi x15
[Rerate] Shovel Knight x15
Echo: Ms. Pac-Man x15
[Rerate] Ezio Auditore da Firenze x15
Concept: Bonus Stages to fill out the stage select screen x15
Tetris x10
Slash Kamei (Snowboard Kids) x10
Jesse Faden x10
Infernape x10
[Rerate] Gex x10
[Rerate] Concept: Echo Fighters Pass x10
[Rerate] Q*Bert x10
[Rerate] Ryu Hayabusa x10
Omori x10
Mii Costume: Among Us x10
[Rerate] Brian x7
Concept: Rocket League content x5
[Rerate] Thrall x5
[Rerate] Lara Croft x5
Stage: Tetris 99 x5
Concept: Raizing shmup rep x5
Concept: KOS-MOS with T-elos alt x5
[Rerate] Master Hand x5
[Rerate] Elma x5
Siris (Infinity Blade) x5
Concept: Tsukihime rep x5
Concept: Challenger Pack with more than 15 spirits x5
Arcueid Brunestud (Tsukihime) x5
Firebrand x1

Kiryu punches through Senator Armstrong and Tetra to steal fourth place.

Concept: Destroy All Humans content abducts 150 noms.

E.M.M.I. crawls past 50 noms.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Abstain. I know nothing about Virtual Idols.

Nominations: Agumon x5

 

[Sari]

Day over.

Rate Concept: Danganronpa protagonist.

Predict Meat Boy from Super Meat Boy.

Megadoomer (we forgot a few days so can you make the day #641?)

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Music for today:

Spoiler: Danganronpa Music

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Abstaining since I'm waiting for the Switch release to properly get into the series.

Meat Boy chance prediction: 6.85%

Nominations:
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x5

 

[NintenRob]

I see Lugia in the nomination pool and give my nominations to that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I swear this is the 20th time we've rated Danganronpa

I'll copy the same thing I wrote last time we talked about this to get the major points across for Chance

Chance: 5% Ok. So. Danganronpa. This silly franchise was a major hit in the world of VNs, having sold 3.5 million as of last year. For comparison sake, Ace Attorney has sold 8 million copies as of this year and has been around for twice as long while having 10 games while DR has 4. This is pretty ****ing impressive and now a new audience can get their hands on the series as it's coming to the Switch, so by all means, the stars seem to be aligning, especially as a surprising amount of people have expressed interest in DR content in Smash with Spike Chunsoft having no other real competition (Yes I know who I got to the top of noms shut up)

Now for the personal topic

Want: 80% I've said it countless times but Danganronpa is a series I've found very enjoyable and it's content wouldn't hurt at all, a stylish stage and the countless bangers the series has meaning I'd already be glad, as for a character, it's a toughie, I really don't like the idea for Monokuma and most of the protag choices, specifically Makoto and Hajime, are boring as ****. I'm not letting this factor too much into my decision as I love Kaede and I'm even open to great side characters like Nagito and Shuichi. Another thing I'm rather cautious about is Smash's lack of respect for spoilers and considering Danganronpa's formula naturally being very risky to the point I feel your enjoyment depends on how much trash you can filter and your thoughts on the surviving cast, this is tricky, I can especially speak from personal experience as I saw the anime before playing the first game and nearly a decade later I couldn't be assed to beat the game, with the murders and killers having been spoiled to me for the sequel, though I still had the 'How' to look forward to in that regard lmao.

Soma x10

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I heard there’s an hour-long grace rule for previous days

Miku
Chance: 2%
This number is basically the chance that vocaloids fall inside of the video game territory comfortable enough for Sakurai to justify, which yeah is a low chance. I don’t think that the powers that be are comfortable skirting around the core concept of Smash, so it’s not just a matter of technicalities in my gut feeling opinion.

Want: 30%
I think it’d be fun but the shock factor would be temporary and the fact I can more comfortably advocate for fringe cases in games would be fun for longer.

Noms go to Off The Hook

 

[fogbadge]

i swear we do something from this series every schedule. maybe im imagining it. abstain havent learned anything new since last time. noms go to spirit event after pass

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Abstaining here since we have rated anything Danganronpa many times already and I rarely have anything to say on those days.

Meat boy: 5.30%
Corvo: 1.89%
RH rep x5

 

[Commander_Alph]

i swear we do something from this series every schedule. maybe im imagining it. abstain havent learned anything new since last time. noms go to spirit event after pass

Blame that to Monokuma, I've seen him being rated like twice or something along those lines. Sucks that it overshadowed the other possible candidate that could potentially give a different rating due to their different status and now it felt stale which I don't blame you. And I also forgot to mention that the Protag themselves were rated separately (that being Kaede and Hajime) for some odd reason.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

xP

Jokes aside, gonna abstain again. It's been discussed many times, and the only major change for its' chances since last time was already discussed during Monokuma's day in the fixed schedule. So I can't really think of anything new to say xP Though I will say that protagonists often get priority over mascots, so they do have the edge over the black and white bear.

Nominations
DJ Octavio x5

Predictions:
Super Meat Boy - 1.74% - No indie has jumped to playable so far, and unlike a lot of other indies that have gotten representation in some form, Super Meat Boy hasn't really gotten much promotion from Nintendo. Though it is more of a historic indie so we'll see.

Corvo - 1.19% - Not seeing high hopes here, especially with all of Bethesda's more requested frontrunners out of the running.

 

[BowserKing]

Danganronpa protagonists

Chance: 5%. Chances are, Monokuma would be the Danganronpa rep, but then again, protagonists are likely to get in. Of course we have been surprised before.

Want: 50%. Monokuma is preferred, but a Protagonist would be fun to play as. Overall, a protagonist would be a decent Smash Bros rep lol.

Prediction: Meat Boy: 5%.

Noms: 5 for Lugia