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Quit hating on 4th Gen Pokemon for no ****ing reason.

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Kholdstare

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Link to original post: [drupal=2321]Quit hating on 4th Gen Pokemon for no ****ing reason.[/drupal]



4th Gen had some actual good Pokemon, and it took the battle system up a notch. It also had online. Quit pissing blood the same way Melee fanboys get P.O.ed at Sakurai for Brawl and Zelda fanboys get P.O.ed at Miyamoto for Zelda II.

Seriously, it's getting on my ****ing nerves. -_-
 

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Zelda fanboys get P.O.ed at Zelda II?

And Gen IV is terrible. Atrocious world design, very few good pokemon, and I have Shoddy for online. Game Freak needs to take a break from Pokemon.
 

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Zelda fanboys get P.O.ed at Zelda II?

And Gen IV is terrible. Atrocious world design, very few good pokemon, and I have Shoddy for online. Game Freak needs to take a break from Pokemon.
No no no no.
Gen IV was great. I found it more inspired than Gen III, but hey...

It's an opinion dude.
 

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No no no no.
Gen IV was great. I found it more inspired than Gen III, but hey...

It's an opinion dude.
:)

@Ocon: What's atrocious about the world design? (Distortion World was epic)

If we didn't have 4th gen, Shoddy wouldn't be as good.
 

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generation 4 is bad and you should feel bad for trying to make others feel bad for not liking them.

loljk

4 was ok. Genration 3 is what turned me off from Pokemon. I got back into it a little bit withdiamonds release, but got bored by the 8th gym. <.<;
 

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I sort of liked 4th gen. But I think 3rd gen ends up being my favorite really =/ (including the remakes). Every gen before that was great too.

What turns me off from 4th gen is it's battle system really. It got to slow to me and made the game boring too quickly. I've still yet to beat Platinum after getting it on release date =/

There's really no reason to hate on it though other than reasons I have I guess.

But yah opinions dont exist im rong pokemon suked after 1st gen ect. bull****
 

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You really want to know why people hate the forth gen Pokemon? They look completely ugly!

All of the Pokemon don't even look like the original art work like take this for an example Flarion dose not look in any way like Glacion. They both are evolutions of Evee and they don't seem any way alike.

Also the names aren't creative either for example Castform (even though he's a series 3) where the in hell is the creativity?

That's another reason no one wanted to put a Pokemon trainer with 3rd or 4th generations in brawl.
 

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Every gen has their own fair share of cool and lame Pokemon.

I mean, Raticate and Bibarel are from different gen. But they both suck.

Glaceon's pretty tight though.


Some people just get all fanboy-ish and claim 1st Gen. was the best there ever was, no questions asked.
 

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3rdGen felt like the one with the least creative designs in the Pokemon, but the world itself was adequate in design.

4thGen was amazing, I thought. Much more fun to wander around in.

However, there's a lot more Pokemon that I like from 3rdGen rather than 4thGen.

I like them all though.
 

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Generation Four was okay. It probably places after Gen Two in my book, right before Three and is tied with One (nostalgia points). It helped the competitive metagame a lot, for sure. I love the way it is now (physical and special split!).

I liked Electivire, Magmortar, and Porygon Z. To me, they look a lot cooler than their pre-evos, and they have many more uses, too.

Happiny was eh. Eevolutions were eh. Some were eh. The rest were pretty cool, though.
 

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I was writing a long and tedious blog about this same subject, along with quite a few insults toward Gf2tw.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I decided not to publish because I realized I would just be feeding his need for attention.
 

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I freakin' hated 3rd gen. The battle system is just so defensive and stallish it's not worth playing. 4th gen is probably my favorite. Best overworld, best battle system (excpet Stealth Rock), fixed up on the dumb stuff in 3rd gen (Wobbufet battle), etc.

I don't even think 2nd gen was that great honestly. Most people will forever cling to it because a lot of people got lost in the Pokemon transition from regular Game Boy to Game Boy Advance. 3rd gen had the worst designs by far. I cannot think of one cool looking pokemon besides Latias and even that thing is a freakin' psychic airplane dragon. I've heard people say that all the pokemon up to second generation had cool designs...>_> Muk, Hypno, and Jynx. Just to name a few that look ********.


tl;dr - 4th gen is amazing, 2nd gen is overrated, 3rd gen sucks.
 

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Zelda fanboys get P.O.ed at Zelda II?

And Gen IV is terrible. Atrocious world design, very few good pokemon, and I have Shoddy for online. Game Freak needs to take a break from Pokemon.
The world design is just as good as any other game, and the graphics are SO MUCH BETTER.

Also.. what? The Smogon OU Tier is made up 43% of 4th Gen Pokemon, the Uber tier is made up 39% of 4th Gen Pokemon, and the starters for 4th Gen are all-around better than any other Gen. The online was an amazing addition to D/P/PT, and being able to replay online battles / Battle Tower play was a great addition to Platinum.

The 4th Gen is also the most diverse for competitive play, by far. Stall, hyper offense, balance, Sandstorm teams, Hail teams, whatever. They're all viable in D/P/PT. They also fixed the horrible "type determines wether a move was physical or special" thing.

Needless to say, I agree with this blog.
 

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4th gen is in no way slower. You can be ready to sweep from the first turn with Choice items, Life Orb, and the Spec-Phys move change. You can't max both defenses and HP anymore, but mixed attacking isn't hurt as bad due to Life Orb.

1st gen's characters are crap. Giovanni is so one-dimensional and pedantic, with just as stupid motives. Cyrus has a superiority complex and an actual grand scheme.
 

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All of the Pokemon don't even look like the original art work like take this for an example Flarion dose not look in any way like Glacion. They both are evolutions of Evee and they don't seem any way alike.

This...

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Flareon

looks as close to this...

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glaceon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

as it does this..

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Jolteon

Also the names aren't creative either for example Castform (even though he's a series 3) where the in hell is the creativity?
I completely forgot that krabby, haunter and hypno were really creative names. The past few gens have had there equal share of stupid names.
 

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I was writing a long and tedious blog about this same subject, along with quite a few insults toward Gf2tw.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I decided not to publish because I realized I would just be feeding his need for attention.
I lol'd.

I'm still :mad: you didn't publish it.

4th gen pokemon design was really saddening, that's why I don't like it. I only judge Pokémon games by their gameplay value and the fun expierence. I've never been of the competative Pokémon, so I'm gonna throw out my biased opinion of 2nd and 1st gen being the best (nostalgia wins)

also
LOOK AT ME ATTENTION PLZ!
 

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Gen 2 was mah favorite, then Gen 4. Gen 1 was cool too, but I just don't get Gen 3.
 

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How good a game is is relative to its time. Obviously 3rd and 4th gen are far improved when it comes to many gameplay mechanics, but neither of them feels like a quantum leap. The biggest improvement game from 4th gen's Physical/Special split.

When you look at 1st gen, it was the pioneer, and it was pretty much a revolution in gaming. It was pure genius, and when it took our world by storm, Pokémon was basically the religion of every child for about 2 years. Usually games never live up to the prequel, especially if there's no real jump in technology. This is where Pokémon GSC prevailed. 2nd gen was such a giant leap above 1st gen in every way, that it just felt like the most incredible and complete sequel you could have ever hoped for. More Pokémon, new types that balanced Psychics, a new land, returning characters/Team Rocket win, returning to Kanto, trading with old Pokémon games.

All of this was fantastic, and then came 3rd gen. Although it was due to the upgrade in technology, the lack of backwards compatibility sucked. There were almost no old Pokémon you could catch in RSE, and sequels always provide a decent amount of fan service by at least keeping your old favourites in. 3rd gen Pokémon were for the most part, uninspired, a lot of them didn't really "feel" like Pokémon. Maybe it was the shift in design style, who knows. However, 3rd gen brought some fantastic thngs like natures and double battles, adding more depth to the gameplay. If you ask me, Pokémon Colosseum was one of the most well designed and thought out Pokémon games. Orre was pretty bad***, Wes was pretty bad***, the bad guys were pretty mean. Orre was a much more realistic world than any other, apart from the names (Eagun, Beluh, Dakim, Nascour... yeah),

4th gen was was hands down just better than 3rd gen. It introduced the physical/special split for moves, which was the best overhaul anyone could have possibly thought up. The Pokémon were pretty nice this time round, they added evolutions for rather patetic UU Pokémon, giving them a use in competitive play. They made it easy to perform quick EV training, they made a much better overworld. The only gripe with 4th gen is Stealth Rock, which is probably the most broken entry hazard you could conceive.

Neither 3rd or 4th gen were quantum leaps though, neither of them felt like major advances in the series. Neither feel quite as incredible for their time as 2nd gen. This is why 2nd gen is the absolute king of Pokémon generations, and will probably remain so unless Game Freak pulls a 100lb rabbit out of their hat.

tl;dr: I have no clue how to summarize this. Read it you lazy chump.
 
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Teran hit it right on the spot, it's exactly what I feel.

I'll also take this time saying that 2nd gen team rocket was the most badass, mutating gyarados, taking over radio tower. Also, the themes of 1st and 2nd gen are way, way more catchier than the latter ones. The best thing about 2nd gen is that it's 2 freaking games in one. Yay for Kanto.
 

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so much 3rd gen hate. =/


w/e. as long as it stands that all pokemon games are ok.

also lol @ people who care about looks of a creature in an RPG.

pokemon is a weird game.
 

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The world design is just as good as any other game, and the graphics are SO MUCH BETTER.
I disagree. I'm not stupid, and I'm not going to say the graphics are worse (of course they're better), but I found the overworld to be terribly designed. I think 3rd Gen has the best overworld because it seemed to expand vertically as well as horizontally. It didn't feel like this flat, boring world.

Also.. what? The Smogon OU Tier is made up 43% of 4th Gen Pokemon, the Uber tier is made up 39% of 4th Gen Pokemon, and the starters for 4th Gen are all-around better than any other Gen. The online was an amazing addition to D/P/PT, and being able to replay online battles / Battle Tower play was a great addition to Platinum.
I wasn't talking about competitive play. I meant the Pokemon suck, as in, their design sucks. I didn't like most of the Pokemon design for 4th Gen, tbh. I couldn't care less about online because I could just use Shoddy (though that is definitely a nice plus).

The 4th Gen is also the most diverse for competitive play, by far. Stall, hyper offense, balance, Sandstorm teams, Hail teams, whatever. They're all viable in D/P/PT. They also fixed the horrible "type determines wether a move was physical or special" thing.

Needless to say, I agree with this blog.
I know this. Of course, for me to ever play competitively with my Platinum cartridge, I have to be able to suffer through the main game. I was barely able to do this with Diamond.

I agree with everything Teran said except for 4th Gen having a better overworld. I did not like 4th Gen's overworld at all.
 

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Wow, you made a blog over this, Khold?

I agree with everything Ocon has said and then some. I'm not going to pretend 3rd Gen was anything great, but at least its overworld had a lot of variety. 4th Gen is mostly just a string of routes with the same wild Pokemon, some of which are constantly shrouded in fog or rain (and therefore have wild Ponyta. Seriously, who thought this stuff up?). Only the snowy routes break up the monotony, and we all know what a pain those are.

And Tangrowth still is basically the most horrible Pokemon ever designed. It's a massive hill of vines with two goofy-looking arms. Just awful.
 

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IMO gen 1 is the best by a Huge margin and gen 4 is the worst although each gen has its fair share of cool pokemon gen. 4 included (garchomp, torterra, empoleon) but also has some of the worst pokemon ive ever seen like infernape who is a horrible version of blaziken who they seem to have spent little time on because now pokemon is about making money because they have milked it too much
 

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Wow, you made a blog over this, Khold?

I agree with everything Ocon has said and then some. I'm not going to pretend 3rd Gen was anything great, but at least its overworld had a lot of variety. 4th Gen is mostly just a string of routes with the same wild Pokemon, some of which are constantly shrouded in fog or rain (and therefore have wild Ponyta. Seriously, who thought this stuff up?). Only the snowy routes break up the monotony, and we all know what a pain those are.

And Tangrowth still is basically the most horrible Pokemon ever designed. It's a massive hill of vines with two goofy-looking arms. Just awful.
Every generation has their own horribly-designed Pokemon.

Also, Teran wins the thread.
 

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You know Infernape is much better than Blaziken right? It's the third best fire pokemon (which isn't saying much to be honest, but still) behind Heatran and Rotom-H. I found Infernape much cooler than a flaming chicken with crotch fur. =/
 

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I freakin' hated 3rd gen. The battle system is just so defensive and stallish it's not worth playing. 4th gen is probably my favorite. Best overworld, best battle system (excpet Stealth Rock), fixed up on the dumb stuff in 3rd gen (Wobbufet battle), etc.

I don't even think 2nd gen was that great honestly. Most people will forever cling to it because a lot of people got lost in the Pokemon transition from regular Game Boy to Game Boy Advance. 3rd gen had the worst designs by far. I cannot think of one cool looking pokemon besides Latias and even that thing is a freakin' psychic airplane dragon. I've heard people say that all the pokemon up to second generation had cool designs...>_> Muk, Hypno, and Jynx. Just to name a few that look ********.


tl;dr - 4th gen is amazing, 2nd gen is overrated, 3rd gen sucks.
This. IS. The .Truth. Accept. IT. lol

Anyway, yeah 3rd gen was soooo lame.
 

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You know Infernape is much better than Blaziken right? It's the third best fire pokemon (which isn't saying much to be honest, but still) behind Heatran and Rotom-H. I found Infernape much cooler than a flaming chicken with crotch fur. =/
Blaziken was the first humanoid Fire-type final evolution, and Infernape only horned in on his turf.
 

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You know Infernape is much better than Blaziken right? It's the third best fire pokemon (which isn't saying much to be honest, but still) behind Heatran and Rotom-H. I found Infernape much cooler than a flaming chicken with crotch fur. =/
well everyone has there opinion and im not talking about this game from a competitive standpoint. i just and stating my feelings but everyone has there own opinions about pokemon (you like infernape and hate blaziken and i hate infernape and love blaziken) thats why threads like this are dumb and pointless because everyone has their own opinions on pokemon and there are no right or wrong ones
 

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The Fourth Gen was pretty fun. Never have I spent so much time getting pulled into the game since, well, probably Gen 2. Seriously, Platinum claims the spot, at least for me, for having the most playtime from before the E4, and that's not including the Battle Frontier. It was a vast improvement over most of the 3rd Gen, which was fun the first time but got a little stale. However, Pokemon Emerald is easily one of my favorite Pokemon Games, just because how much it improved upon Ruby and Sapphire.

Really, the only reason Gen 4 gets any hate is because of the poor monster designs. A lot of it was better than Gen 3.

But for me, the games that are the most fun is the 1st Gen. Yes, there's nostalgia reasons, but even so they're just so much fun. Granted, a lot of this is accidental due to the glitches and such, but I digress. They will be the only games where I'll happily play through over and over again.
 

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You know Infernape is much better than Blaziken right? It's the third best fire pokemon (which isn't saying much to be honest, but still) behind Heatran and Rotom-H. I found Infernape much cooler than a flaming chicken with crotch fur. =/
Infernape looks like a ******** tribal monkey cannibal creature.
I always set out to choose a fire type starter, but after seeing how ******** it looked, I went for Piplup. =/

I wish Charizard were stronger. :(
 
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In my opinion, i just thought of 4th gen was...okay. Half the Pokemon i do like (includes Piplup, the 2 new Eeveelutions, Cresselia), but the other half...well, i kind of wish they didn't exist (including Probopass, Bidoof, Kricketune and Purugly >_>).

Plus, there were times i got bored of playing through Pokemon Platinum. When i played through my Sapphire and Gold version (numerous times by the way), there were very few times i got bored of it. 4th gen would have to be my least favourite gen, though it DOES have it's moments :ohwell:. I just like 2nd and 3rd gen too much.

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Khold, was this blog seriously neccessary?
No blog is necessary.
They only exist to chronicle your thoughts. Reading and commenting on them is up to you.

The only thing unnecessary was the negativity behind that remark. =/
 
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No blog is necessary.
They only exist to chronicle your thoughts. Reading and commenting on them is up to you.

The only thing unnecessary was the negativity behind that remark. =/
Meh...i wasn't really trying to give that message.

Sorry for my rudeness/negativity. :ohwell:
 
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