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Quit hating on 4th Gen Pokemon for no ****ing reason.

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Yes, my name is based off of a cat, even though I really don't like cats. x.x;; People say I have "cat-like features" so I picked this name.

Firus, I dunno. Maybe I just notice colors more than others. It's just when I played Fire Red/Leaf Green, then traded pokemon over to Emerald, the bad coloring really showed. :urg:
 

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Yes, my name is based off of a cat, even though I really don't like cats. x.x;; People say I have "cat-like features" so I picked this name.

Firus, I dunno. Maybe I just notice colors more than others. It's just when I played Fire Red/Leaf Green, then traded pokemon over to Emerald, the bad coloring really showed. :urg:
There are no sprite differences between 3rd Generation Pokemon in FireRed/LeafGreen and 3rd Generation Pokemon in Emerald. They are based upon the same engine.

>.> Try again.
 

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There are no sprite differences between 3rd Generation Pokemon in FireRed/LeafGreen and 3rd Generation Pokemon in Emerald. They are based upon the same engine.

>.> Try again.
They actually cleaned up the sprites somewhat in Emerald. They're of higher quality.
 
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Misty and Sabrina were my favourite girls in all of Pokemon. :laugh:.

My list would be...
Generation I and Generation II, both were too good to pick one over the other.
Generation III
Generation IV
 

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There are no sprite differences between 3rd Generation Pokemon in FireRed/LeafGreen and 3rd Generation Pokemon in Emerald. They are based upon the same engine.

>.> Try again.
No, IIRC the pokemon that aren't obtainable in Emerald like Charmander and Rattata have slightly different sprites that aren't as bright in Emerald than they do in LG/FR. I think it might have to do with the fact that every pokemon had to be animated in Emerald, so the quality couldn't be a good? I don't know.
 

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They actually cleaned up the sprites somewhat in Emerald. They're of higher quality.






Actually, no, they aren't. The games are based off of the same engine, a.k.a, the very same basic layout of graphics.
EDIT: Unless, of course, you are counting animation, which all people everywhere love <3~

No, IIRC the pokemon that aren't obtainable in Emerald like Charmander and Rattata have slightly different sprites that aren't as bright in Emerald than they do in LG/FR. I think it might have to do with the fact that every pokemon had to be animated in Emerald, so the quality couldn't be a good? I don't know.
Oh, yeah, the Pokemon that are required to be transferred from FR/LG --> Emerald do have different sprites. My bad, I thought you were talking about the same sprites from Ruby/Sapphire.
 
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No, IIRC the pokemon that aren't obtainable in Emerald like Charmander and Rattata have slightly different sprites that aren't as bright in Emerald than they do in LG/FR. I think it might have to do with the fact that every pokemon had to be animated in Emerald, so the quality couldn't be a good? I don't know.
I do not see any light change in MetaKirby's sprites.
Animation is always better, yet does not mean low quality.
Emerald was better than FireRed and LeafGreen... My opinion.

EDIT: Then again... What about the Kanto starters?
 

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I do not see any light change in MetaKirby's sprites.
Animation is always better, yet does not mean low quality.
Emerald was better than FireRed and LeafGreen... My opinion.

EDIT: Then again... What about the Kanto starters?
She was talking about pokemon you couldn't catch like most kanto and jhoto pokemon.
 

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I do not see any light change in MetaKirby's sprites.
Animation is always better, yet does not mean low quality.
Emerald was better than FireRed and LeafGreen... My opinion.

EDIT: Then again... What about the Kanto starters?
No, it's ok, she's right. See look:


^--Fire Red
______
^--Emerald.
I believe something like this is what you meant?

And again, Kanto Starters are unobtainable in Emerald. Hence, the sprite change.

EDIT: Darn! Beaten by a Boozer.
 

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This thread is pretty much now about the artwork in the games, but that's cool with me.

Emerald:



FR/LG:



FR/LG version is just slightly more purple.



I HATE EMERALD CHANSEY FYI. SO UGLY.

FR/LG version:



The sprites are slightly different with pokemon that aren't naturally obtainable in Emerald.
 

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Uh, the main purpose of FR/LG was to make the older pokemon obtainable in R/S/E via trading. I don't see any reason to complain that 3rd Gen didn't pay any attention to the old pokemon. <_<
 

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Oh, yeah, the Pokemon that are required to be transferred from FR/LG --> Emerald do have different sprites. My bad, I thought you were talking about the same sprites from Ruby/Sapphire.
Well what else were did you think. =/
 
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No, it's ok, she's right. See look:


^--Fire Red
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^--Emerald.
I believe something like this is what you meant?

And again, Kanto Starters are unobtainable in Emerald. Hence, the sprite change.

EDIT: Darn! Beaten by a Boozer.
I wish I had posted that edit of my previous post earlier, then both of you wouldn't have had to correct me, for I had finally noticed that you had only posted Hoenn starter evolutions.

FireRed and Emerald were made in two completely different years, and they are different games to an extent.
FireRed sprite Chansey looks older, in my opinion.
 

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Nice grammar. Try specifying which sprites you are actually referring to because, you know, there are 386+ Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen Sprites.;)
If you're going to be an obnoxious knob, then I'm going to have you roombanned I'm not even lying.

It's 4am in the morning, and to be quite frank, I'm 100% sure I'm more proficient in the use of English than you are. Please stop acting smart.
 

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If you're going to be an obnoxious knob, then I'm going to have you roombanned I'm not even lying.

It's 4am in the morning, and to be quite frank, I'm 100% sure I'm more proficient in the use of English than you are. Please stop acting smart.
Because you never do that?

I'm not trying to be rude; I just think you're sounding a bit like a hypocrite here.

Also, I don't appreciate 3rd Gen getting so much hate compared to 4th Gen (it was mostly early on in the thread). It introduced a lot, as did, 4th Gen, and in my opinion it included better and more unique Pokemon, as well as a more diverse world.
 

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If you're going to be an obnoxious knob, then I'm going to have you roombanned I'm not even lying.

It's 4am in the morning, and to be quite frank, I'm 100% sure I'm more proficient in the use of English than you are. Please stop acting smart.
I'm not even being obnoxious; your original post was entirely vague, thus setting off a chain of messages where we developed the clear message in your absence, to which you ultimately reply in the sense of "Of course that is what I was talking about".
I don't care what time it is in your wedge of land on this planet Earth, nor should it matter in this discussion.
Lastly, your claims of such "proficiency" may not be as entirely crystal clear as you may suspect them to be, thus hindering your ability to claim such outlandish things.
I've done nothing wrong. ;) Just a simple war of words, of course.

On-Topic:

I suppose my reason for being so inclined to dislike the Hoenn region would be the expansive ocean region. I've never been fond of ocean travel in the Pokemon games, and nearly the last two to three badges of Hoenn take place upon the water, not to mention the travel to the Elite Four.
I found the Pokemon to be quite diverse, however, and I surely appreciate the type of "grunginess" that Hoenn is graced with. I'm not talking run-down decrepit buildings, but rather the old-timer feeling of the entire region.
Also, a few of my favorite Pokemon hail from Hoenn (Spoink, Metagross, and Regirock, to name a few).
Still, saying "the worst Pokemon game" is such a harsh term. "Worst of the Best" suits the games the best. The Pokemon games, all of them, are wonderful.
 

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Nice grammar. Try specifying which sprites you are actually referring to because, you know, there are 386+ Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen Sprites.;)
Come on, M-K, you should really know better than to go off on someone like that. Not one of your better moments.

Because you never do that?

I'm not trying to be rude; I just think you're sounding a bit like a hypocrite here.

Also, I don't appreciate 3rd Gen getting so much hate compared to 4th Gen (it was mostly early on in the thread). It introduced a lot, as did, 4th Gen, and in my opinion it included better and more unique Pokemon, as well as a more diverse world.
I like how we're all throwing around insults, guys. Don't **** this blog up.
 

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Come on, M-K, you should really know better than to go off on someone like that. Not one of your better moments.
I didn't exactly go "off" on anyone. The vague pronoun "they" doesn't indicate which of the sprites he could have been referring to. Thankfully, KawaiiBunny (or, Nya~<3) pointed out exactly which sprites he was referring to, and I corrected myself. No harm done.
 

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Because you never do that?

I'm not trying to be rude; I just think you're sounding a bit like a hypocrite here.

Also, I don't appreciate 3rd Gen getting so much hate compared to 4th Gen (it was mostly early on in the thread). It introduced a lot, as did, 4th Gen, and in my opinion it included better and more unique Pokemon, as well as a more diverse world.
Well that's big talk for someone who sucks up to me 24/7. I'm not obnoxious, just pretty blunt.

Also, using an on topic second part to your post as a blanket for your obvious attempt to snipe me is pretty easy to see through.

I'm not even being obnoxious; your original post was entirely vague, thus setting off a chain of messages where we developed the clear message in your absence, to which you ultimately reply in the sense of "Of course that is what I was talking about".
I don't care what time it is in your wedge of land on this planet Earth, nor should it matter in this discussion.
Lastly, your claims of such "proficiency" may not be as entirely crystal clear as you may suspect them to be, thus hindering your ability to claim such outlandish things.
I've done nothing wrong. ;) Just a simple war of words, of course.
Well sorry if it was vague, but I thought RSE were counted as one. Guess not.

As for insulting my grammar, well the time IS relevant of course! Usually at 4am in the morning your brain doesn't function at maximum power. You know, just some food for thought.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure about the proficiency. No offence dude, but I know so. My grades for national English exams were in the top 1% of the country. Of course, I wouldn't usually mention this because it's not usually very relevant to my life here, but I guess I'll just mention it so you don't lolgrammars bull**** me next time.

Also, this is the last word on this because I say so. This whole blog has been pretty ******** and heated for a while and quite frankly, I want to bury it, but I can't do that until it gets seriously out of hand, and of course I'm fair like that...

just kidding or am I? Deal with it.
 

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The last few pages were pretty cool. I liked them.

I've been thinking this for a while. Which sprite is better? Shiny Salamence or regular Salamence? =9 Oddly enough, I prefer the green one.
 

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I didn't play 3rd gen because the Pokemon all looked stupid.
What the hell is it with people judging a game based on its looks?

Pokemon is the a very customizable RPG. If you don't like one stupid critter, choose another. It's that simple.

And if you don't like it that much, just bear with the Pokemon you do like. There has to be some in there that you can. Even a lot of the FIRST GEN pokemon that appear in there. Seriously. There are so many.

Then take FireRed/LeafGreen and get the ones you like inside Emerald or something. Enjoy the game.

It's not so hard people. Crappy Pokemon design is the worst reason to hate a generation (and I mean just hate it, not even liking it). The absolute worse.
 

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Why is it that you're being so eager to point out how horrible I am? Just because I don't like 4th gen as much as you?
No, it just makes you look like "ZOMG 4TH GEN IS TEH SUXZORS". At least, it does in my opinion, I don't know about everyone else.

And I'm not a 4th gen elitist/fanboy, either. Just saying, ya know.
 

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Pokemon is the a very customizable RPG. If you don't like one stupid critter, choose another. It's that simple.
Well when it was just R/S, you were restricted to pretty much only the new pokémon. If you don't like the art style on the majority of those pokémon, it can be a problem.
 

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What has this blog and the DDD social thread recieve more productive post than what we see in the pokemon forum?
Speaking of, someone should write up a guide to the Uber metagame. Its really hard.
 

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I'm not elitist at all. I'm just sick of people saying that 4th Gen sucks and give no backbone to their opinion, or just say something like, "Tangrowth" (yes, I'm pointing at you K.Rool). Because clearly one character ruins the entire game. It's good that you gave some reason for flaming 4th gen, Firus.

Those were just three things I could think of at the moment. I could post a whole essay about why 4th Gen is better than people say it is.
Backbone? An opinion doesn't need backbone. It's an opinion. If I casually say that Tangrowth is a horrible Pokemon and exemplary of the 4th Gen, I'm not saying it to provoke debate; I'm just speaking my mind, man.

Although if you're honestly going to tell me that Bidoof is cooler than Rattata, maybe we'll have a problem. ;)
 

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Well when it was just R/S, you were restricted to pretty much only the new pokémon. If you don't like the art style on the majority of those pokémon, it can be a problem.
I just counted about 22 Pokemon in the game from past gens, not including evolutions and I probably even missed a lot.

This isn't including the Pokemon designs that are yah know, actually good to some people? There's no way it's possible to hate on all the 100 (150?) 3rd gen Pokemon unless you're very close minded.
 

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I just counted about 22 Pokemon in the game from past gens, not including evolutions and I probably even missed a lot.

This isn't including the Pokemon designs that are yah know, actually good to some people? There's no way it's possible to hate on all the 100 (150?) 3rd gen Pokemon unless you're very close minded.
22 is not a lot, considering we all have a very small number of favourite pokémon.

Also, 3rd gen pokémon all run off the same basic art style so it could be very possible.
 

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As long as we're talking about sprites, Sandslash's Gold Version sprite wins. Mostly just because it's Sandslash. But then, Sandshrew's original Red and Blue version sprite is right up there too... it raises the question, which is the most awesome Pokemon: Sandshrew or Sandslash? We all know they're the top two but who would win in a duel of awesomeness?

:027: vs. :028:

(Wow their sprites on this site are horrible...)


:034:
 

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No, it just makes you look like "ZOMG 4TH GEN IS TEH SUXZORS". At least, it does in my opinion, I don't know about everyone else.

And I'm not a 4th gen elitist/fanboy, either. Just saying, ya know.
Instead of telling me how much I hate 4th gen, at least cite some examples of me acting like that. Because as far as I can recall, all I've done is point out that I did not find it as enjoyable as the other generations (like saying that I've replayed the other generations more than fourth and that I got bored partway through Platinum and still haven't finished it), and then when you come along telling me how much I'm saying I hate fourth gen, and it sounds to me like you're just getting really over-offended by me disagreeing with you.
 

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22 is not a lot, considering we all have a very small number of favourite pokémon.

Also, 3rd gen pokémon all run off the same basic art style so it could be very possible.
Same basic art style? What? =/

Most of them were so different from each other.

and 22 + w/e is enough to get people through the game. seriously it can't make the gamplay boring.

3rd gen had the smoothest combat system of all the gens. Battles went by relatively fast and it didn't take too long to beat the game in the end if you were at least patient with it.

4th gen has a sloppy, slow, and just graphically forced combat system that makes me lose all interest in battling unless it was end game. which it takes a hella long time to get to.

and people need to stop looking for their favorite pokemon and open up their options IMO =/ I have at least 30 favorites from each gen, more for some than others. (again, not that it matters that much, end game is when you get what you want)
 
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Same basic art style? What? =/

3rd gen had the smoothest combat system of all the gens. Battles went by relatively fast and it didn't take too long to beat the game in the end if you were at least patient with it.

4th gen has a sloppy, slow, and just graphically forced combat system that makes me lose all interest in battling unless it was end game. which it takes a hella long time to get to.
I must agree with this.
I prefer fast-paced battles, not ones that take 4+ seconds to start up.
Even the effects of weather were faster in 3rd Gen.
 

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Are you talking about the metagame or the life bar/graphics taking too long?
 

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Are you talking about the metagame or the life bar/graphics taking too long?
Metagame? Huh?

I mean the life bar and other stuff. I have the graphics turned off in fact and it still goes slower than 3rd gen with graphics on.
 

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What's wrong with Tangagrowth? He was needed.
Is this about the pink?
Because I will fight you for the pink.
I lol'd.

Even though you were joking, most of the old pokemon evos in 4th Gen were completely unnecessary in my opinion; Tangela and Lickitung were perfect as standalone pokemon, Rhydon, Electabuzz, and Magmar were great as final evolutions. Honchkrow, Mismagius, Froslass and Gallade were tolerable. I'm probably forgetting some.
 

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3rd gen had the smoothest combat system of all the gens. Battles went by relatively fast and it didn't take too long to beat the game in the end if you were at least patient with it.

4th gen has a sloppy, slow, and just graphically forced combat system that makes me lose all interest in battling unless it was end game. which it takes a hella long time to get to.
Erm. . . 3rd gen was very defensive based, and 4th gen offensive based.
You are lucky if your match last half as long as it would in the 3rd gen.
I made a team of stallers towards the end of the 3rd gen metagame, and it did incredibly well.


Even though you were joking, most of the old pokemon evos in 4th Gen were completely unnecessary in my opinion; Tangela and Lickitung were perfect as standalone pokemon, Rhydon, Electabuzz, and Magmar were great as final evolutions. Honchkrow, Mismagius, Froslass and Gallade were tolerable. I'm probably forgetting some.
No, they were not useless. Those pokemon needed to be updated. The originals no longer cut in in the battle department. The only useless evolment came to Dusknor.
 
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