[Project M] Yoshi Matchup Thread

[Dr. Robotnik]

I need to get a trip up there eventually and play in your guys's tournaments, I think it would be hella fun. I'll show you the strength of Tampa Players

That would be awesome. Im hoping to go to the next big tourney that has PM. Does Apex run it?

 

[TomBoComBo]

That would be awesome. Im hoping to go to the next big tourney that has PM. Does Apex run it?

I believe so, but me going to APEX is a slim chance. do you play online on dolphin at all?

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

No. why is apex a slim chance? isnt it an east coast thing? yoshi doubles?

 

[TomBoComBo]

it's traveling that I may or may not be able to do

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

just pull a pro move and ask for money, than blow it and ask for money again. cough cough.

 

[TomBoComBo]

Yoshi Doubles would be fun. And terrifying. I'll see what I can do

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

I've found edgeguarding Ivysaur very easy, nair offstage can keep him away and rising nair at the ledge can knock him out of tether.

I wouldn't say "easy" cause reflex adapted to my edgeguards and punished me when i through out an aerial attack.

No Super Jump , No Superarmor (when aerial attacks are thrown), Foot Stool, and Ivysaur's edgeguarding ability equals death.

 

[Praxis]

just pull a pro move and ask for money, than blow it and ask for money again. cough cough.

Dat West tech

 

[didds]

Who's going to the Big House 4 if anyone here?

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2014/jul/18/getting-their-game-on/

Thats me in the green shirt. Hype that its in our cities paper.

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

This one looking to be massive.

 

[Nikes]

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2014/jul/18/getting-their-game-on/

Thats me in the green shirt. Hype that its in our cities paper.

That must feel pretty awesome owo

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

Well, i blew it. lol, happens i guess, nerves are too great, something thats been a plague lately. oh well, just gotta work on staying calm

 

[didds]

It happens, consistency is what makes great players and we're all learning still.

Next time.

 

[TomBoComBo]

@ Dr. Robotnik Did you make it on stream? I had to work late and I passed out on the 19th

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

I did, once my matches are edited ill show em

 

[TomBoComBo]

I did, once my matches are edited ill show em

are you comfortable enough with your play that you'd be open to a critique?

 

[AthleticNerd93]

What do you guys think about the Mario MU

 

[AthleticNerd93]

Who's going to the Big House 4 if anyone here?

I live like 5 minutes away. Im def doing PM singles. Might get into doubles and possibly get into some melee just for the hype

 

[didds]

nice dude, safe to assume you play Link?
and what's yer tag?

As for Mario, I dislike fireballs.

 

[TomBoComBo]

Mario, play somewhat safer. don't let him go to FD or any other bigger stages. Fair will stuff fireballs if you time it right. If you ever approach, don't miss any L cancels, you'll get punished. DI upthrow backwards, it's hard for most marios to follow up that DI. OoS options will help deal with mario's approaches

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

tombo, I felt i played ok, there was definately some things i needed to work on. Fought a samus for the first time, thought i knew the matchup, ended up last hit every match and went to game 3. The other loss was against a gnw main, 3 stocked him and banned not thinking he had a secondary, he pulled out falcon and i was not prepared for it. I got a little to greedy and went for somethings i shouldnt of, on part of nerves, but yeah, id love to hear what you have to say.

 

[TomBoComBo]

Glad to hear that you're open to one this time. I'll do my best, I will point out where you are vulnerable and where your game could improve.

 

[didds]

I've got another local coming up this thursday, I'll try to get videos posted after, but I doubt there will be a stream due to choppy internet at the venue. Like always, I'll be open to critique.

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

Link: Orange
C. Falcon: Neutral
ZSS: Orange
Squirt: Light Green
Bowser: Light Green
Pit: Neutral
Mario: Orange
Ike: Yellow

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

You cant DDC through marth's f-smash. it sends yoshi into a free fall, even the non-tipper hit. I experimented with the DI down and away and you can only get away after about 45%. Didds, i like your concept about the waveland into marth. I feel like that is a strong luigi tactic that could translate well. i just wish yoshi had his melee waveland back, but that would be to op.

Back on marth's f-smash though. Because it does put yoshi into a free fall and not a tumble, do you think there is any lag or would you be able to start a move?

Exactly, break armor then get comboed by marth in to Ken combo, I don't think Ken knows PM that much or the matchup either. But he knows melee for sure.

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

Approaching on fox is pretty safe, and also, his shine does not effect yoshi's heavy armor (its not super armor) at all. Spacies cannot afford to trade with yoshi, because they will lose. nair wrecks them to hard, falco will die early because of nair, and fox will get combo'd from a good nair.


Sonic vs yoshi matchup i feel is 60-40 yoshi favor. Its definitely one you need to know, but yoshi just has to much in his kit to deal with sonic. ban BF and PS2 and i dont think there would be anything benificial for sonic to deal with yoshi on. I feel like as long as you maintain your stage control sonic is screwed, which is my reasoning behind BF and PS2. FD makes sonic's approach very linear and by far the best combo stage for yoshi in the matchup. Dream land would be another great pick against sonic.

Approaching Fox is only safe when the player is not that good or they don't know the matchup, (I assume you use Eggroll) Eggroll is not safe when the player knows the matchup or is a above average player.

Fox Options to Eggroll: Drill into auto combo and pivot grab into Up throw Up air.

DDC Nair Options: Crouch cancel Up Smash, if the opponent is at high percent, I think their best option is to space your approach options.

Meow.

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

quinn, eggroll clashes with drill as long as you see it coming, the collision hit and the break out hit gives yoshi the priority. Ive tested this many times. Fox just simply cant handle yoshi's pressure. Falco's drill kick on the other hand will beat egg roll.

 

[didds]

As soon as foxes realize that egg roll is vulnerable to grab, the MU will be a lot more difficult

 

[Scatz]

I just see CC beating eggroll at low percents. Then when the opponent gets to higher percents, CC will stop eggroll's combo ability. They can also just dodge the egg and punish while you're coming out of it or pressure your shield if they don't make it in time.

Don't get me wrong, eggroll is good, but the uses for it (IMO) are still limited as it's not that safe.

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

quinn, eggroll clashes with drill as long as you see it coming, the collision hit and the break out hit gives yoshi the priority. Ive tested this many times. Fox just simply cant handle yoshi's pressure. Falco's drill kick on the other hand will beat egg roll.

ESAM adapted the Eggroll and pushed with drill and pivot grab, you probably have to play someone better. No offense to whoever I speak of.

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

Played new pm yoshi...you guys likely won't like the new changes...just warning you ahead of time...

Personally I think it's fine.. I wanted most of the changes..and am shocked they accepted my feedback...but yea..you'll see in time.

Yoshi got buffed and nerfed at the same time

 

[TomBoComBo]

@ Qwinn Yoshi you've played the new build?

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

[quo"TomBoComBo, post: 17133055, member: 235954"]@ Qwinn Yoshi you've played the new build?[/quote]
New build?

 

[TomBoComBo]

@ Qwinn Yoshi yeah, V3ctorman is talking about the next version of PM. not the current one

 

[Qwinn Yoshi]

@ Qwinn Yoshi yeah, V3ctorman is talking about the next version of PM. not the current one

Oh, no I haven't played it, I was talking about 3.2

 

[TomBoComBo]

3.02*
@ Dr. Robotnik Were dem stream matches be at brah?

 

[Dr. Robotnik]

Been waiting on the host to post them, he said he would have it done a while ago and has just been to busy i guess.

 

[TomBoComBo]

Played CT Wizzrobe over netplay on stream
http://www.twitch.tv/wizzzrobe/b/550947680
Our games start around 1:28:00
we had very low ping

Critique would be nice, I know I used eggroll alot, but I want you guys to keep this in mind. I was/am playing Dolphin Via Keyboard

 

[Nikes]

Played CT Wizzrobe over netplay on stream
http://www.twitch.tv/wizzzrobe/b/550947680
Our games start around 1:28:00
we had very low ping

Critique would be nice, I know I used eggroll alot, but I want you guys to keep this in mind. I was/am playing Dolphin Via Keyboard

My phone doesn't let me watch twitch recordings so I'll have to watch later, but how does one stand playing on a keyboard?.-.