Project M Social Thread

[Krautrock]

Translation for the mathematically challenged: check back tomorrow night.

 

[iLink]

When I read that, I wanted to be the first person to seem smart by saying 24 hours

 

[MonkUnit]

You'll get your chance someday.

 

[Ecks]

I'd estimate about 8,760 hours till second demo release.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

wut i got two months.

 

[iLink]

I'd estimate about 8,760 hours till second demo release.

That would be 365 days aka a year

 

[Cubelarooso]

approximately 73

C'mon, now! You can't just say "approximately;" you need to give some standard deviations, man!

 

[Lolo_knight]

and the PMBR doesn't support giving out the leaks here

yeah I said IF there's a official buid.. i wanted directions, didnt ask for the leak.. as far as im exited to play the game I want the full thing I trust this sick awesome coders and when they say its ready 4 us it will be.

edit: oh.. i did say "real build" well sorry for my english at that moment (and now I guess too) i wanted to meant official build ,^^

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

AFAIK There haven't been any leaks since after the demo anyways so it doesn't matter.

 

[Crispy4001]

I'd estimate about 8,760 hours till second demo release.

I'd estimate less than 4,380. Call it a hunch.

 

[Ecks]

That would be 365 days aka a year

I guess you got your chance sooner than you thought. lol


@Crispy4001. No way, that's too soon. He just said that to calm us down.

/pessimism

 

[Shadic]

Less than six months.. Six months from now.

 

[cloneofshadow]

Wait so there is a confirmed 2nd demo release? So I'm guessing it's going to be the Alpha build?

 

[Archangel]

it will be the version you see on streams but limited. Likely to the same as the first demo version with maybe more people. I'd guess Bowser and Lucario considering how they seem mostly done in comparison. Maybe if some other characters like MK or Ness get a few more things done they'll be added. Basically the more you've seen them on stream the more likely it is they'll be in the next demo. However if everytime you saw them something was extremely out of place then...you can assume they are still being worked on and will not be in the demo.

 

[Hiper]

I love the P:M Wario, great rendition of the Wario Land moves. Is he ready(ish) to be included on the next demo or needs more tweaks?

Sorry if it has been asked before, im new here.

 

[Archangel]

I love the P:M Wario, great rendition of the Wario Land moves. Is he ready(ish) to be included on the next demo or needs more tweaks?

Sorry if it has been asked before, im new here.

Wario and Pit are both sort of in limbo right now. Good stuff and even look good...it's just a matter of finalization on many things. Wario or Pit could show up but I doubt it. Wario has more of a chance than Pit I think. Pit's upB is just really killing him right now.

I personally feel he should be given a Peach-like UpB. Minuscule high with a kind of spell binding illusive feel to it when you DI back and forward or suddenly drop down. Although instead of the drop down effect he could be made to SideB out of it.....idk. Thoughts on UpB?

 

[cmart]

@ Spam: What? Please don't state your opinion as fact. It makes people antsy

 

[Archangel]

@ Spam: What? Please don't state your opinion as fact. It makes people antsy

The only thing I stated as fact was in reference to the demo. I said "It will be the version you see on streams but limited"

everything else I said likely, or probably...something like that lol. If someone mistakes what I posted as fact well....they deserve to be confused

 

[shanus]

its my birthday and i can occupy ledges if i want to

 

[Rikana]

You guys are amazing. You made this new demo worth the wait. I hope nothing goes wrong upon testing it. Someone stream this ****!



Happy birthday shanus. Get high over occupying your ledge all night long. Have a good one.

Who found the code by the way?

 

[9Kplus1]

I have nothing better to do at 9 in the morning than to worship that blog. So does this mean that we can start tossing out opinions on how to make Melee's ledge occupancy more ********? Also, I would assume that we're even closer to a second demo?

Oh btw: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHANUS!! (my double rainbow sucks)

 

[shanus]

I have nothing better to do at 9 in the morning than to worship that blog. So does this mean that we can start tossing out opinions on how to make Melee's ledge occupancy more ********? Also, I would assume that we're even closer to a second demo?

We have a lot of internal debate ongoing regarding ledge occupancy duration, and its definitely an issue where there are strong camps on both sides of the issue. I think it'd be interesting to field people's opinions on ledge occupancy duration, but if this turns out to be too heated of a discussion I'd like to avoid it.

My personal opinion is I'd like a middle-ground between brawl and melee (results in approximately 75% melee duration). For example, nobody needs a >100% ledge roll with 79 ledge-occupied frames (total animation length) like in melee, but having a pitiful 22 frames instead on a normal ledge roll I personally think is simply too low. I like the idea of adding more precision to the ledge game, but I also think this could potentially be used as a balancing tool without directly adjusting character movesets. For example, lower occupancy could weaken potential fox gimping tools with shine, etcetc.

I think it would fun to pull in any interested MBR members into this discussion and see how they think adjusted occupancy length in melee could additionally adjust balance.

Oh btw: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHANUS!! (my double rainbow sucks)

tyty

 

[Hiper]

Wario and Pit are both sort of in limbo right now. Good stuff and even look good...it's just a matter of finalization on many things. Wario or Pit could show up but I doubt it. Wario has more of a chance than Pit I think. Pit's upB is just really killing him right now [...]

Well at least there is some hope, hehe.

 

[Archangel]

We have a lot of internal debate ongoing regarding ledge occupancy duration, and its definitely an issue where there are strong camps on both sides of the issue. I think it'd be interesting to field people's opinions on ledge occupancy duration, but if this turns out to be too heated of a discussion I'd like to avoid it.

My personal opinion is I'd like a middle-ground between brawl and melee (results in approximately 75% melee duration). For example, nobody needs a >100% ledge roll with 79 ledge-occupied frames (total animation length) like in melee, but having a pitiful 22 frames instead on a normal ledge roll I personally think is simply too low. I like the idea of adding more precision to the ledge game, but I also think this could potentially be used as a balancing tool without directly adjusting character movesets. For example, lower occupancy could weaken potential fox gimping tools with shine, etcetc.

I think it would fun to pull in any interested MBR members into this discussion and see how they think adjusted occupancy length in melee could additionally adjust balance.

First of all Happy Birthday.

The MBR I am sure the bulk of them will blindly disagree with shortening the time because it's not melee-like. So I feel it could tip the balance of the debate a bit too far.

I have already stated my stance on it. I feel occupancy should be character dependent(I know it already is) However I mean the difference should be even more noticeable. I think that is pretty much what you were saying though right?

again happy birthday.

 

[MaxThunder]

Who found the code by the way?

my guess is... MAGNUS! ...

 

[Strong Badam]

spam arrows there are quite a few melee players that aren't ********.

 

[PEEF!]

We have a lot of internal debate ongoing regarding ledge occupancy duration, and its definitely an issue where there are strong camps on both sides of the issue. I think it'd be interesting to field people's opinions on ledge occupancy duration, but if this turns out to be too heated of a discussion I'd like to avoid it.

My personal opinion is I'd like a middle-ground between brawl and melee (results in approximately 75% melee duration). For example, nobody needs a >100% ledge roll with 79 ledge-occupied frames (total animation length) like in melee, but having a pitiful 22 frames instead on a normal ledge roll I personally think is simply too low. I like the idea of adding more precision to the ledge game, but I also think this could potentially be used as a balancing tool without directly adjusting character movesets. For example, lower occupancy could weaken potential fox gimping tools with shine, etcetc.

I think it would fun to pull in any interested MBR members into this discussion and see how they think adjusted occupancy length in melee could additionally adjust balance.



tyty

As you know, I support full and complete Melee ledge occupancy.

 

[RuKeN]

Happy birthday Shanus!!! ^^

 

[Archangel]

spam arrows there are quite a few melee players that aren't ********.

Not nearly enough.


See peef's post for details :D

 

[Deleted member]

Congratulations on ledge occupancy

The idea to give characters differing amounts of occupancy seems pretty smart as well.

Tweaking universal techniques like ledge jumps, attacks, and rolls could also make an impact upon characters.

 

[9Kplus1]

Personally, I don't support changing ledge occupancy that much from Melee's, and I'm sure that a lot of Melee veterans (not giving an exact number since I can't speak for the entire community) will have the same mindset. However, as living beings we naturally reject change, so such a response is both expected and justified. For that reason, I believe that the best possible option is for the PMBR to come to a consensus on what 'balanced' ledge occupancy should be and include that in the Second Coming of Project:M (demo). There would still be hype for the final product and more room to work in regards to tweaking smaller things such as sightly off-balanced aspects (glitches, unneeded traits for a particular character, emphasis on camping, etc); i.e, holding off on a discussion such as this until later in development will be much more beneficial and, to put it bluntly, less of a ****storm for this thread to take on.

In all honesty, I love always being reminded that clutch or dumb moves offstage can / more than likely will result in me being at a large disadvantage.

EDIT: Kinda happy that the release is still being delayed. It's not only fun to watch the salt build, but also really soothing to know that P:M isn't going to suck due to all of the work being placed into it.

 

[Deleted member]

I support full Melee occupancy, but I can see how this can be a great instrument in balancing in a very minor way.

Healthy skepticism and criticism go a long way

 

[Cubelarooso]

Oh man, this is terrible!
The next release is not likely to be released without this code being implemented, and the BR still hasn't decided how to implement it! It's now even farther away!
People need to stop looking at the glass as completely full, and look it as easy to spill.


More seriously though, Peef's arguments are sound (and now gone), except when he says there's no problem with Melee's occupancy. Anyone with visual senses and understanding of related real-world circumstances can see that there's a problem: it looks terrible and makes no sense. Brawl had the right idea when it comes to relating it to the animation (though Brawl's is so stringent that it often has the same problems in reverse), though this time the idea should not be implemented to the detriment of the gameplay. It's lots of fun to gimp opponents in such a simple way, but it often makes me feel guilty when it looks so much like cheating.
But this argument is kinda obvious, and has certainly been a mainstay argument of the pro-change side during any BR debates, so I'll say no more.


@Shanus
I would occupy ledges, too, if it happened to me.
(Happy birthday, and good job with the constant advancement)

 

[ValTroX]

Yes, I stand beside you Shanus, 75/25 could be tried, melee ledge occupancy is borderline stupid....and happy bday mr Shanus.

 

[humble]

Happy birthday, Shagnus!

I'm fine with whatever ledge occupancy the PMBR decides upon, don't feel too strongly one way or another.

 

[Spoon~]

Sappy Hirthday Bhanus.

Dang, glad ledge occupancy was tackled. Keep up the good work guys!

 

[Crispy4001]

I'd be all for at least giving a shot 75/25 in the back-room builds, giving it a whlie, then asking for backroom feedback. Ledge occupancy in Melee is much preferable to Brawl's, but the reward's always been a little disproportionate to the skill it takes to use IMO. Even though I do think it should remain relatively easy.

I'm thinking about tether heavy characters here too. They're going to have a harder time now regardless. But full occupancy might be the straw that breaks the cammel's back.

 

[PEEF!]

I'm not going to argue my case here because we are looking for outsider input, but I would like to clarify my opinion a bit in order to provide an option that those who think some Melee occupancies are derpy/silly could agree with.

I think the ONLY possible thing that I could support be toned down a bit is rolling off the ledge, and some getup attacks. I think it is essential that all of the other occupancies, especially standup occupancies stay the same as Melee.

 

[Crispy4001]

I think the ONLY possible thing that I could support be toned down a bit is rolling off the ledge, and some getup attacks. I think it is essential that all of the other occupancies, especially standup occupancies stay the same as Melee.

Sounds agreeable to me.

 

[CloroxTheKid]

If you guys don't come to a conclusion before your scheduled patch 2 (if there even is some soft deadline floating around in the BR), you should just implement the code in full melee attire just so that P:M is closer to Melee than to Brawl.

Great Work Shagnasty, Great Work.