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Essentially, PMBR is who decides what skill is by how we program the game. Your opinion has been voiced and we will consider it, but CCing is an AT nonetheless and is very effective for many characters that aren't even top tier such as Samus, Mario, DK, and Peach.
And they can still have it. You just have to be able to time the CC by SDIing down when you are hit, as opposed to just holding down when your opponent is about to throw out a CCable attack. I personally feel that my suggestion is more in keeping with the particular skill set that P:M is meant to test, that is, precise timing and execution.
It's old. Really, really old. The next release will basically play and feel nothing like it, so why bother? It was good as a demonstration of what they had been able to do up until that point, but now there's no reason to play it when a vastly superior product is on the horizon.
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Speaking of that, It might be better if you guys promote the next demo as a "public alpha" rather than a "demo". I feel like demo has the connotation of being a sampling of the finished product which I feel caused some confusion around the previous demo.It is mostly because the battle system will have some drastic enough improvements to be game-changing. The future demo will be much closer to what the game will feel like in the final release. Of course, this will only be an alpha build and we will be counting on all of you to bring up any concern you may have with it
Unless this thread has been obsoleted by some new information, I'm going to assume you haven't done your research.
that thread has some clear misinformation:
First, this is simply untrue. The action of ASDI'ing down generates a negative velocity component downward which is additive to your hitstun velocity. Therefore, you do not have to be a in a crouch at all for CC'ing to work, you simply need to hit down for "crouchless" CCing to trigger. The reason everyone calls it crouch canceling is that when you CC, you are canceling hitstun action 44 (weak - launching hitstun non-tumble) into hard landing, and since they are holding down, you typically enter crouch. Additionally, crouching gives you the most bang for your buck as it reduces knockback by 1/3, giving you higher durations of effective CCing.
Maybe you should read it again. You literally just repeated what that post says about CCing. At least, the understanding of CCing that I get from your post is precisely the understanding I get from the post I linked.
Re-read my post again then. There are clear differences (even just the flat out basics of his statement regarding crouch canceling are false). You do realize SDI doesn't even add to velocity components right (and the implications of if it did)?
Maybe you should elucidate the clear differences. All I see is maybe some imprecise language. He says,
This is really just redundant. It may not reduce the hitlag (is that what you mean?) but that's not really relevant. But lower knockback means you can't tech until higher percentages, so he's basically repeating himself.
This constitutes a definition. It is used to distinguish CCing from ASDIing into the ground. The two concepts may be conflated today, but perhaps more than five years ago, when the post was written, that wasn't the case. Instead of declaring his definition to be false, and insisting that your definition be used retroactively, adopt his for the time it takes you to read the post.
While saying "DIing down" is not entirely accurate, the core meaning of what he's saying is identical to what you said: The action of holding the control stick down to CC results in downward ASDI. The ASDI's velocity, subtracted from the reduced knockback due to CCing, causes you to land immediately after hitlag ends. Like I said: it's imprecise, but it's not patently false.
100% fact right there.
I suspected SDI didn't add velocity components. I realize this gets into the theory of coding this, but I like to try to think through these things before dismissing them out of hand. Perhaps only the first SDI input could add velocity?
Yeah if we're keeping L-cancelling on that basis it only makes sense.
Meaning it feels like melee but not exactly melee.
How can you make that judgement from... watching? Feeling means you've played it... and I'm pretty sure you haven't unless it's the demo so....?
Since you're a developer, you should tell us; how much does the current build feel like Melee to you?
Ive played it.
Yeah I kinda wanted to ask... I've recently read some ppl claiming to have some latest build... was ther a demo ver 2.0 or some leak or... something... if its a real build can you direct me to it...
and the PMBR doesn't support giving out the leaks here
