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That conversation was soooooooo last page. Wolf is an awesome topic so dontchu ruin it o:<I merely said the team should just give classic controllers an equal advantage.
If it required a full button press to perfect shield, then using the triggers to shield wouldn't be a complete advantage
What's Wolf's nair?Trust me, nair shouldn't be changed. It works really well. It comes out fast, has low landing lag, and hits hard.
Um... I don't know why you would barely use it... there IS an advanced technique for it (well technically more like a glitch). Where you hang on the ledge and Side B through the stage to get onto it without needing to ledge hop or roll onto the stage. I think it's called "Scarring" by the vBrawl community for some reason. Let me get up a video for you.I think Wolf's moveset is pretty good. the only thing I would change is that dumb running animation.
Edit: Oh yeah, what about his sideb. Is it useful for anything? I barely use it.
He said he would, likely during the early afternoon.
Streams usually show the latest versions of characters, and they're usually recorded.
I watched it like 5 minutes before you posted and it has sound, I even opened it again now and it does have sound.
The fact that Marth exists.
I think it's just you. Roy is pretty awful.
Ask the Roy forums, they can probably answer most of your questions.
This. Roys' recovery is absolute garbage. Marth's gets better distance and move much more quickly.
I think one major problem is how many of his moves can get CC'd very easily. His aerials are especially bad; Fair and I think Dair tend to have so little knockback that the hitstun is terrible on it.
woot .
Because you've never watched the best Roys ever, Neo and Sethlon. They use that all of the time.
Not Really.
Because
There's no such thing. >_>
This is sooo easy to bait.
ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS
His grab games one of the only things he has.
Yeah but that fact of the matter is when you actually know how to play against Roy you know that you can CC and punish almost ALL of his moves (and since his moves do so little damage you can CC them at higher percents than most characters.), his moves do no damage, his recovery sucks, he can't kill, he's one of the easiest characters to combo in the game, and he can't space correctly because his sweetspot is in the middle of his sword.
I know Roy has problems when he gets CC, I mained him for a couple of years.
It was more like a complimentary response to what you were talking about. I was bringing up some of those problems is all.
That makes sense.
If you've played him for a while you should know his major flaws, that pretty much answers why he's not higher in the tier list.
shanus hasn't been on all day so I wouldn't count on it.
Okay, thanks for answering.
Marth may cover a tiny bit more distance with his recovery, but the fact that Roy can upB at many different angles and hit anything near him away with phire makes it safer IMO. If my friend didn't sweetspot the stage with his upB, he was dead. If I upB'ed close enough to him, I would hit him with phire and grab the ledge. It just seems safer than Marth's.
I actually have watched quite a few videos of Neo in the past, and a couple of Sethlon. I must've missed the vast majority of the ones that were DED-ridden or something, because I don't really know what you're talking about.
How not? It's fast, has decent range, can cancel out of any walking or running animation into either direction and is a surefire 3 hits if the 1st didn't get CC'ed, or if he's up against a spacie at low %'s.
The dtilt is easy to CC? From what I've seen and done his dtilt cannot be CC'ed if it doesn't only nick you with the tip; it pops people up every time if they're at the center, right?
I just have to disagree with this. I understand it can't gimp at early %'s, but his neutralB can most definitely gimp.
That's what his long-range tilts, nair, and shieldgrab options are for, right?
Flexible because upB can be angled. Safe because of teh phire. That's what I meant. If you're comparing it to jiggz or link's recovery, then yeah, it isn't good. But for an average recovery, it's got it's perks IMO. I definitely wasn't saying it's OP or anything.
He has his flaws, and I'm not about to say he's high tier material, but his system works. He has his crappy aerials that can easily be punished, but he has his f- and d-smash, grabs, tilts, DED and nair to keep him playable until his aerials have enough hitstun and KB. I'm just pointing out that people threw him aside because Marth was a little more polished. All he needs is a few buffs and tweaks here and there and he'll be fit for P:M; that's what I was getting at.
Huh...yeah, that may work. If they buff his onstage game enough, though, he might not need it.
Sweet! Can't wait to see moar pros on P:M.Getting lots of high quality vids of MD/VA's finest (Chillin, Chu, Redd, Plank, G-Reg, and more)
HypeM!
