Project M Social Thread

[Vigilante]

Speaking of streams, Backlash gaming at six PM EST with GHNeko and Frozenhobo. You two mind getting on IMs a bit before the show?

 

[NeoZ]

Speaking of streams, Backlash gaming at six PM EST with GHNeko and Frozenhobo. You two mind getting on IMs a bit before the show?

Today?
I thought you did it on Saturdays.

 

[MonkUnit]

Yeah, I thought it was Saturday as well. Either way, I'll be missing the stream again. I'm stuck in the twin cities and I'll be busy today after 3pm cst, all day saturday, and all day Sunday. Sorry vigilante, maybe I can catch the third one live.

 

[ManEg]

Not hyped for streams, I just want my biweekly blogpost!!

 

[Vigilante]

Lol, I can't have a fixed day because my work schedule is like... not in my power. Furthermore, it ry to avoid Saturdays because JCaesar tends to stream on Saturdays a lot.

 

[Msingh0]

Reverse ledge grabbing was removed from PM because it never existed in Melee. That's why hugging is impossible and you need to jump, WD or Moonwalk onto the edge. Besides, you can still reverse ledge grab out of special fall animation, which is quite an improvement.

I meant the full removal of it lol sorry for the confusion lol

 

[NeoZ]

I meant the full removal of it lol sorry for the confusion lol

They're not removing it completely, backwards grabbing during special fall is staying, they just have to edit the range.

 

[GPDP]

...so it's been twelve days since the last blogpost, and IIRC all previous blogposts came out twelve days apart.

Should we expect one later today, perhaps...?

 

[moleman915]

The only blogpost that wasnt 12 days was on easter, and that was 10. So if the pattern continues, we should have one today. And if not, I think I may know why.

 

[leelue]

and that would be because of?

 

[moleman915]

I think maybe they ran out? I mean they said themselves they don't know when breakthroughs happen. I just think maybe they are on a stand still, and they may be nothing else to show right now. Of course I could be completely wrong, so who knows.

 

[leelue]

Lol that was my hunch too. I don't mind either way, the game is ridiculous

 

[NeoZ]

I think maybe they ran out? I mean they said themselves they don't know when breakthroughs happen. I just think maybe they are on a stand still, and they may be nothing else to show right now. Of course I could be completely wrong, so who knows.

Or maybe, if they actually were releasing them on a 12 day schedule, they'd have to wait 2 more days to be back on schedule. You know: 12+12=24 10+14=24
But I don't think they're on a strict schedule.

I still hope we get one today.

 

[ValTroX]

I'm pretty sure they have fixed stuff that they haven't mentioned to us

 

[slimpyman]

all i can hope is when they make a new announcement, it pertains to a mechanic which makes the game more meleeier, like ledge detection

 

[ValTroX]

List of wishes in order of importance to me:
1) Wall grapples
2) Ledge occupancy
3) Power Shield (I can't remember if they found a way to make it work correctly)
4) Light shielding

 

[Slashy]

I don't think Lightshielding is possible.

 

[ValTroX]

i don't think so either, anyways it's not THAT important

 

[Slashy]

Also, Monkunit suggested that changing tethers requires a huge number of character tweaking, mainly for characters that require it.

I'm sorry but I don't see how Brawl tethers remove depth.

 

[Shadic]

You guys aren't getting a blog update today. Or tomorrow, probably. One hasn't been written, that's for sure.

But when you do get it, you'll probably feel like this:

 

[GPDP]

Also, Monkunit suggested that changing tethers requires a huge number of character tweaking, mainly for characters that require it.

I'm sorry but I don't see how Brawl tethers remove depth.

Is this a joke post?

Brawl tethers are entirely one-dimensional. Once you latch on to the ledge, you either get on to the ledge immediately or hang on for a bit. That's it.

With Melee tethers, I could choose to tether anywhere from right on the ledge to the bottom of the stage. Once latched on, I could either hang on for a sec, retract the tether and get straight onto the ledge, or cancel the tether into a jump. With the last option, I could choose to do it any time from as soon as the tether connects to the stage or as late as when I'm hanging on the tether.

Melee tethers gave you a very wide range of options for getting back on to the stage and keeping your opponent guessing on how you're going to get back and what you're gonna follow up with. Note the keyword "options." More options = more depth. Brawl tethers decrease your options, therefore they also decrease depth.

Edit: Ok, you can also let go of the tether in Brawl and go into free fall, but the point stands. You can do a whole lot more with Melee tethers.

 

[Shadic]

And, you know, tethers can be defeated simply by holding onto the edge.

They're infinitely easier to use (Press a button, no aim required!) and yet infinitely easier to beat out. It's a terrible choice.

 

[Revven]

just an fyi Vigilante's thingy is going on now

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/backlash-gaming

 

[GPDP]

Not to mention Brawl tethers don't even make physical sense. The character model doesn't even aim the tether. The tether just like, shoots upwards or downwards, even though the character's arm is aiming straight ahead. It looks unnatural as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of things in Smash don't make physical sense, but dammit, they look silly.

 

[NeoZ]

And brawl tethers fail when the you get edgehogged.
They're basically long range ledge grabs, melee tethers aren't, they added a lot of versatility to recoveries as well as an increase in range.
EDIT: how did I get ninja'd by 6 minutes, those post weren't there for me a minute ago.

 

[leelue]

You gain and lose tactics with brawl tethers. there is just infi more stuff to do with melee tethers.
Like... interact with your surroundings lol.

also. if tethers ever got changed, what would ivysaur do? olimar? Lucas? these things don't exactly latch onto walls. (not counting things like giving the cursed two of them a different system).

I don't mind either way cuz I don't play link or samus really :smug:

 

[iLink]

Brawl tethers can be edgehogged but you can also edgehog with them

 

[Brian_Link]

You gain and lose tactics with brawl tethers. there is just infi more stuff to do with melee tethers.
Like... interact with your surroundings lol.

also. if tethers ever got changed, what would ivysaur do? olimar? Lucas? these things don't exactly latch onto walls. (not counting things like giving the cursed two of them a different system).

I don't mind either way cuz I don't play link or samus really :smug:

I main Samus in Melee, and I'm missing my melee tethers when I play link in P:M.

But what I really want (though I imagine it would be a giant pain to do) is have Zamus's Up-B be a Brawl tether, and Side-B be a Melee tether.

 

[ajajayjay]

^ I don't know much about samus, but isn't her current up b one of her most important moves for escaping pressure? because she definitely can't shield grab.

 

[Brian_Link]

^ I don't know much about samus, but isn't her current up b one of her most important moves for escaping pressure? because she definitely can't shield grab.

Notice I said Zamus with a Z for my up-b, side-b thing.

Yes, Up-B out of shield is a very useful tool for Samus with an S, and I don't want it touched.

 

[ajajayjay]

^ sorry, I didn't think about it since you said "s"amus first.

 

[Crooked Crow]

^ I don't know much about samus, but isn't her current up b one of her most important moves for escaping pressure? because she definitely can't shield grab.

UpB OoS is an excellent tool for escaping shield pressure, somewhat vulnerable at the end. Just space it well.

Or, Samus typically wavedashes out and resets the position. DTilt works too. She has a great CC.

 

[shanus]

I don't think Lightshielding is possible.

Its definitely possible.

 

[GPDP]

Its definitely possible.

 

[Onomanic]

Be careful with the image only posts, as funny as that was. You can get infracted. :0

And yay for lightshielding.

 

[leelue]

They've said its possible before, but ***loads of work

 

[Zantetsu]

They've said its possible before, but ***loads of work

It'd most likely be worth it. It's kinda a big deal.

 

[Slashy]

Doesn't that imbalance controller options? Only one controller is capable of lightshielding

At the very least can't powershielding be changed so that it requires a full shield? Melee didn't allow you to change controller options, so lightshielding made complete sense in Melee.

In Project:M, since you can configure your controls this makes it a tech solely due to controller functionality, I don't think that anyone should be forced to adopt a specific control scheme to use a technique. At the very least, if you alter the way powershielding works, you balance the two shielding schemes.

I just tried out the classic controller pro, it feels like a much better controller than the Gamecube controller, even for Smash.

 

[Vigilante]

Doesn't that imbalance controller options? Only one controller is capable of lightshielding

At the very least can't powershielding be changed so that it requires a full shield? Melee didn't allow you to change controller options, so lightshielding made complete sense in Melee.
In Project:M, since you can configure your controls this makes it a tech solely due to controller functionality

Just use a Gamecube controller, buddy. Even Sakurai said thr game was meant to be player with a GC controller.

 

[MonkUnit]

You could technically adjust your light press setting in melee by holding down the shield button as much as you want and then plugging it in.