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NeoZ · Apr 21, 2011

M0nkUn1t said:
All snake's aerials are better with the new LD. All aerials are. lol.

EDIT: How would landing detection(melee's) ever hurt someone?

Longer SHFFL time by a couple of frames?

Strong Badam · Apr 21, 2011

being able to platform waveland properly >>>>>>>>> 1 faster shffl speed (when you're fast falling LD doesn't make that big of a difference)

Crooked Crow · Apr 21, 2011

Any streams over the long weekend?

MonkUnit · Apr 21, 2011

aandy: http://www.livestream.com/stprojectm

Shadic · Apr 21, 2011

Peach doesn't have her stupid-crazy float cancels with Melee LD.

JCaesar · Apr 21, 2011

There's a good possibility that my crew will do one too on Saturday.

MonkUnit · Apr 21, 2011

ST and I won't be streaming on saturday. We'll be busy going to a tournament. lol

JCaesar · Apr 21, 2011

Nice.

Oh and don't forget about Vigilante's podcast on Saturday! Our livestream will work around his schedule.

Archangel · Apr 21, 2011

Sneak8288 said:
so i played pm today and stand by what i say with snake definitely being the worse of the characters in the demo

lol you mad?

Eternal Yoshi said:
So do I, but I feel he's better than at least Lucas.
Even with PK Thunder's improvements, it's still a bad recovery move....

Lucas is almost good...he just needs some thing...whatever it is...and suddenly he'll be among the best...maybe have his downB work better or as a reflect also...idk.

Sneak8288 said:
Yea its just harder to win with snake than it is with most other chars... but i like playing snake

Snake like the new Ganon so far. He's got some good things but good character hinder his greatness. He's good though....if you camp your *** off.

Strong Badam · Apr 21, 2011

I think using actual battle strategy the way Snake was designed shouldn't be referred to as camping. LOL

Grim Tuesday · Apr 21, 2011

Except that style isn't as effective as camping, lol.

Archangel · Apr 21, 2011

Strong Bad said:
I think using actual battle strategy the way Snake was designed shouldn't be referred to as camping. LOL

well...i call it what it looks like. If the battle is drug out past 6 minutes and 30 seconds then someone is just being an *******.

The_Guide · Apr 21, 2011

Out of curiosity, are there any plans to revamp PS2? I think it would be kinda interesting to mess around with the transformations there with melee physics.

Grim Tuesday · Apr 21, 2011

No need to revamp PS2, it should stay how it is.

FireBall Stars · Apr 21, 2011

M0nkUn1t said:
Well, all 4 hits of dair all come out now with the melee landing detection.

but monk, all 4 hits of his dair come out with brawl landing detection with short hop, it's not really a change.

Archangel · Apr 21, 2011

Grim Tuesday said:
No need to revamp PS2, it should stay how it is.

the platforms seem to be slightly too high...or is that just me?

The_Guide · Apr 21, 2011

I'm cool with PS2 frozen, especially if the Devs can't get PS1 to work properly.

The shenanigans one could get up to there are really interesting to think about, though. Ice stage would give swd's+great shield push; electric's conveyors would be like having constant Whispy wind, but just onstage; the gravity on air might be a bit more manageable after the transition to melee's higher gravity; ground has never really been an issue.

Could be a really neat counterpick, if its possible to tune a few things down (conveyor speed, Air stage's gravity, etc.).

Strong Badam · Apr 21, 2011

Spam_arrows said:
the platforms seem to be slightly too high...or is that just me?

compared to?
it's a unique stage.

Cubelarooso · Apr 21, 2011

I'm a proponent of revamping PS2. We've already got more neutrals than are likely to be used in a starter list, anyway.

Grim Tuesday · Apr 21, 2011

The_Guide said:
I'm cool with PS2 frozen, especially if the Devs can't get PS1 to work properly.

The shenanigans one could get up to there are really interesting to think about, though. Ice stage would give swd's+great shield push; electric's conveyors would be like having constant Whispy wind, but just onstage; the gravity on air might be a bit more manageable after the transition to melee's higher gravity; ground has never really been an issue.

Could be a really neat counterpick, if its possible to tune a few things down (conveyor speed, Air stage's gravity, etc.).

This would be awesome.

MonkUnit · Apr 21, 2011

FireBall Stars said:
but monk, all 4 hits of his dair come out with brawl landing detection with short hop, it's not really a change.

What I meant to say was, it's a lot easier to get all 4 hits out now from a short hop. Keep in mind snakes' SH height was decreased from vBrawl IIRC.

Sneak8288 · Apr 21, 2011

http://www.livestream.com/projectmsneak back up for a while

Mr.Jackpot · Apr 21, 2011

It would be awesome if we had some frozen PS1 transformations to play on, over PS2 is perfectly fine for me.

Strong Badam · Apr 21, 2011

Cubelarooso said:
I'm a proponent of revamping PS2. We've already got more neutrals than are likely to be used in a starter list, anyway.

We have like 7 or 9 lol.

JediKnightTemplar · Apr 21, 2011

Spam_arrows said:
Lucas is almost good...he just needs some thing...whatever it is...and suddenly he'll be among the best...maybe have his downB work better or as a reflect also...idk.

I was thinking his down b could work more like Fox/Falco's shine where if the opponent is within a certain range they're spiked away from Lucas with an electric effect, basically what he has right now but stronger. As of now it really isn't that effective and I can imagine a lot of things coming together for Lucas if his down b becomes more of an offensive move.

Grim Tuesday · Apr 22, 2011

I use Down-B heaps.

By cancelling a downwards air dodge into it.

Archangel · Apr 22, 2011

Strong Bad said:
compared to?
it's a unique stage.

the regular pokemon stadium that isn't in the demo atm.

JediKnightTemplar said:
I was thinking his down b could work more like Fox/Falco's shine where if the opponent is within a certain range they're spiked away from Lucas with an electric effect, basically what he has right now but stronger. As of now it really isn't that effective and I can imagine a lot of things coming together for Lucas if his down b becomes more of an offensive move.

I think that would really help. Also having better spammable use of his PK flash.

leelue · Apr 22, 2011

What Lucas has as down B is already quite strong, as its growth is pretty high. Not all moves can be as amazing as shining, and this move seems useful enough. B reversal is sick.
I wish the charge for the smashes could be held (think samus) which would be a very natural change. I don't remember if it was going to be implemented or not.

A couple of his moves could use a tiny extra sourspot hitbox to cover some flaws. Dair comes to mind, perhaps. Fair could do for a little one near the front-top to help him out against advancing marths and woodland creatures.

Cubelarooso · Apr 22, 2011

Strong Bad said:
We have like 7 or 9 lol.

More than enough for a good starter list.

leelue · Apr 22, 2011

forgot to mention that Lucas's tether pull up can get hit by a link up b. Now that's an easy way to feel cheated out of stocks.

Archangel · Apr 22, 2011

leelue said:
What Lucas has as down B is already quite strong, as its growth is pretty high. Not all moves can be as amazing as shining, and this move seems useful enough. B reversal is sick.
I wish the charge for the smashes could be held (think samus) which would be a very natural change. I don't remember if it was going to be implemented or not.

A couple of his moves could use a tiny extra sourspot hitbox to cover some flaws. Dair comes to mind, perhaps. Fair could do for a little one near the front-top to help him out against advancing marths and woodland creatures.

well yeah it's not what he has that is the problem its what he doesn't have...in a weird way. If his Down had a constant hitbox that would fix him completely lol.

right now i think you hit someone when you use it and then when you let the attack go...which is weird.

leelue · Apr 22, 2011

only let go. constant weak hitbox for use added onto it like I think was mentioned would be a huge boon.

also, I retract my mention of a bigger fair, since it starts to step on zairs space.

Ecks · Apr 22, 2011

It's only when you let it go spam.

Also, pkt2 no longer bounces off walls! (Both Ness and Lucas)

Archangel · Apr 22, 2011

Ecks said:
It's only when you let it go spam.

Also, pkt2 no longer bounces off walls! (Both Ness and Lucas)

Well whenever I use it I let go immediately anyways because i noticed it seemed to do 2 things to my opponents. Jack and ****!

Vigilante · Apr 22, 2011

JCaesar said:
Nice.

Oh and don't forget about Vigilante's podcast on Saturday! Our livestream will work around his schedule.

Thanks for your support buddy. And I'll enable links during the stream, so feel free to post it in my chat window. Also, feel free to correct any misconception we might have. As informed as I am trying to be, I'm still not a PMBR member. I could get a fact wrong, but I'll take extra care not to.

The link is posted in the thread, but I'll post it here: Saturday - 7PM EST

First Topic is the progress of Project M since the demo. I've also seen people talk about project Café here. Send us your info if you find new development. I'd always appreciate that. Of course, I'll be looking too.

One can say it's an episode about "Projects".

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/backlash-gaming

Ecks · Apr 22, 2011

Spam_arrows said:
Well whenever I use it I let go immediately anyways because i noticed it seemed to do 2 things to my opponents. Jack and ****!

Well it's not a shine. I don't play lucas much but when I do I try to stop recoveries with it. Once it hits they're dead.(even standing on the edge holding down b can work since he holds it in front of him)

Edit: @Vigilante more "info" http://kotaku.com/#!5794567/we-may-have-a-whole-bunch-of-wii-2-specs

Archangel · Apr 22, 2011

Ecks said:
Well it's not a shine. I don't play lucas much but when I do I try to stop recoveries with it. Once it hits they're dead.(even standing on the edge holding down b can work since he holds it in front of him)

how long will that work after ledge-teching is fixed though? ......Overall Lucas is good enough to barely lose to pretty much everyone so far. He does well against puff though from what I can see. Everyone else and even puff at times takes a dump on him. The Charge-B moves give him a shot though I guess.

Shadic · Apr 22, 2011

Characters who have been fairly-extensively complained about being "bottom/low tier" in the demo so far:
Link
Zelda
Lucas
Snake
G&W
Ganondorf

Man, if all these characters are low tier, I can't wait to see mid-tier.

MonkUnit · Apr 22, 2011

Vigilante, I'll have to miss your first live episode. I'll be busy at ECSS3.

iLink · Apr 22, 2011

Who said ganon was bottom?

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