Shadic
Alakadoof?
So THAT'S why toaster was named Flexicles. I missed it. 
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Project M Social Thread
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You do know that moonwalking is essentially useless except for two strategies?soo increasing sonic's friction? (im not trying to ruin sonic, im just thinking that his moonwalk is too good atm)
He cant have a great wavedash,fast movement and good ariel monuverability, no character that i can think of has that... fox has good wavedash, fast run but no ariel monuverability. Falcon has high friction, but fast running speed and good ariel monuverability etc etc
even the floatyer characters like marth,sheik and jiggs didnt have all 3 values as high
i vote yes
Moonwalk -> Aerial edgeguard
Moonwalk -> edgehog
Moonwalk -> Grab is excessively flashy and much more punishable than wavedashing or dash dancing to bait a grab.
That being said, I'd love to see Link get a decent moonwalk to use with his up-b edgehog. Interesting and technical things would occur.
Archangel
Smash Hero
Sonic's Moonwalk isn't useless. fancy =/= useless
I like the Link Idea. It's time for People like Link to be ****ing good. Not just passable or ok...mediocre. **** that! Most of us bought the smash serious to do battle with are favorite characters. Now look at us? Play with Falcon...Marth...It's funny but Most of us didn't even know who the **** they were
curry9186
Smash Journeyman
I wholeheartedly agree with that. I always found it strange that the most popular characters in this game (mario, link) have never been better than passable. But P:M is helping with that, thankfully. So for the team, much *applause*:bigthumbuSonic's Moonwalk isn't useless. fancy =/= useless
I like the Link Idea. It's time for People like Link to be ****ing good. Not just passable or ok...mediocre. **** that! Most of us bought the smash serious to do battle with are favorite characters. Now look at us? Play with Falcon...Marth...It's funny but Most of us didn't even know who the **** they were
pretty coolNot sure if you guys seen this but I just recently went back to look through the KC-MM vault and noticed this. http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=11936 All credit to Marty Mkfly on KC-MM.
I dunno about you guys but If you could get this working over Toon Link it would be epic because we all know Y.Link > Toon Link (Fact).
i have a gut feeling sonic will be the next fox
MAYBE
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
One can never have too much link.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
sonic will never be the next fox. he will probably not even be high tier. no good forward approaching aerials and no range. only way to combo into kill moves will be like grabs? maybe dtilt on ffs idk. but he will be better than in brawl at least
jahkzheng
Smash Lord
Its been quite a while since I've checked in here, but just by poking around I've discovered that this project seems to have successfully took the physics from Melee and inserted them into brawl's engine.
Now is this a complete physics change into Melee, or is it just taking some of the things that you want from Melee and putting them into your mod while keeping some of what you might want from Brawl? I've heard for instance that Ganon keeps his choke - which pleases me - but what else has gotten the same treatment?
I imagine that a weak Melee character like Kirby has retained whatever it is that made it better in Brawl or at least had it's Melee flaws worked out. I guess what I'm trying to say is... if you're using 80% of Melee in this game then is the other 20% essentially for balancing Melee?
I'm also curious how Meta Knight was or rather is being handled and how Melee clones are - if they are at all - retaining what has made them more original in Brawl. For example, I've read and seen that Falco is his much more clone-like, yet still awesome Melee self. However, is there any part of Falco that is uniquely brawl like with Ganon?
I guess long story short, I'm just interested how you guys will keep things balanced, keep things Melee, and keep things unique.
(Lol, the short question seems to be begging for a long answer...)
Now is this a complete physics change into Melee, or is it just taking some of the things that you want from Melee and putting them into your mod while keeping some of what you might want from Brawl? I've heard for instance that Ganon keeps his choke - which pleases me - but what else has gotten the same treatment?
I imagine that a weak Melee character like Kirby has retained whatever it is that made it better in Brawl or at least had it's Melee flaws worked out. I guess what I'm trying to say is... if you're using 80% of Melee in this game then is the other 20% essentially for balancing Melee?
I'm also curious how Meta Knight was or rather is being handled and how Melee clones are - if they are at all - retaining what has made them more original in Brawl. For example, I've read and seen that Falco is his much more clone-like, yet still awesome Melee self. However, is there any part of Falco that is uniquely brawl like with Ganon?
I guess long story short, I'm just interested how you guys will keep things balanced, keep things Melee, and keep things unique.
(Lol, the short question seems to be begging for a long answer...)
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
Ever since Melee I always thought more than one Link was too much.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
That would be the shield to get up code. The easiest way was to change the B to get-up attack to shield to get-up. As far as I knew, no one really ever does get-up attack with B.
Actually Sonic is amazing right now. I was able to play with Dark Sonic for a little on Saturday and at the moment he's broken because his spindash has a charging hitbox that combos into grab. It's like shine except even better... After that's fixed he'll still be really good though, imo on par with Fox.
Crispy4001
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I'd say the playstyle differences between Link/Toon Link/Young Link are just as large as they are between Marth/Roy/Ike.
But that logic is apparently thrown out the window because Marth/Roy/Ike aren't technically the same person. Nevermind that Young Link and Adult Link were already the same person in Melee.
I R MarF
Smash Ace
With the aerial attacks, I think his nair should replace his fair and his nair should become a traditional flying kick sex kick.
I also think Sonic's smash attacks could use some work. They all kind of suck.
His dsmash should be his break dance (the one he uses in down taunt, just a lot faster) and should operate similar to Shiek's dsmash.
Usmash should be his current uptilt (just with a lot more power and a bit more lag), and his uptilit should be the same upward kick his uses in fthrow. (IMO, this would give him some good low percent juggle options and a wider variety of set ups)
Archangel
Smash Hero
I like the Dsmash Idea. I think his current Dsmash is just to............blah.
Revven
FrankerZ
You should refrain talking about stuff that is experimental because likely that is going to change. Keep stuff like this in the BR feedback threads, they are there for a reason.
Link40: You are highly incorrect and should never assume anything that we are planning and what we are doing. We're working on everyone evenly and fairly, that means we're giving characters equal attention.
I R Marf: Sonic doesn't need an entire move set redo to play awesomely. That's a lot of work that isn't necessary at all other than aesthetics. Other characters are way different and do need that kind of attention while Sonic, on the other hand, does not. We're not changing characters' move sets around just because some moves look similar to others.
Stevo
Smash Champion
I disagree with those smash change ideas.
his up-tilt doesnt feel like a "smash" attack (falcon using it on the other hand DOES feel like a smash attack)
his smash attacks also are far from useless, especially forward and up. (even more especially with up-smash if it stays as quick as it is now)
most of all I just dont like the idea of his d-smash being a break dance and his up smash being two wimpy kicks upwards
his up-tilt doesnt feel like a "smash" attack (falcon using it on the other hand DOES feel like a smash attack)
his smash attacks also are far from useless, especially forward and up. (even more especially with up-smash if it stays as quick as it is now)
most of all I just dont like the idea of his d-smash being a break dance and his up smash being two wimpy kicks upwards
shanus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpygX0cuHew
I think that video is proof enough how wrong you are. We pay attention to every character. We focused on top tiers first as they were the best way to isolate what changes were required to get a character to a "melee environment" feel. We are actively focusing on lower tiers currently.
Oh well, sorry, Link looks on a really good way. Keep going.
But I still hope the Longshot will be made one day, even if it is not in version 1.0 of PM.
Thinking of all the awesome **** i can do with Link: M makes me smile. My link will be oh so awesome. He might not even need his Long Shot.. Although it'd be so awesome if he got it back for his grab at least ): he doesn't need it for his z air.
Crispy4001
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Link40: Link - the Smash Bros character - doesn't need a Longshot. Unless there was a deficiency to Link's playstyle and balance in Smash that'd dictate a longshot to fix, it shouldn't be P:M's concern. It likely won't ever be.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
it was his main form of recovery in melee. not something to throw away lightly.
Crispy4001
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Isn't that just still just a hookshot? I mean, relative to how far you can shoot it in OoT...
Maybe there's some lingo I'm missing.
GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
Yeah, Link being able to wall grapple immensely helped his poor standard recovery. The mere mentioning of Germ should immediately remind one of just how much the Longshot wall grapple was a part of Link's recovery. It's just a shame that shanus hasn't had any luck with the wall grapple code.
EDIT: I kind of went into that response by assuming that FroHo was saying Longshot = the wall grapple use of the Hookshot.
Erm, yeah. Some confusion here.
EDIT: I kind of went into that response by assuming that FroHo was saying Longshot = the wall grapple use of the Hookshot.
Erm, yeah. Some confusion here.
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Yeah. I completely agree. Wait, one second....
What was that?
What the **** are you talking about?
The both spindash charge and side B have a charging hitbox that can be cancelled... it combos into grab, and trades/beat a lot of high priority attacks (Snake's tilts).
Mabye not BETTER than Shine but it's like a twisted version of shine that you can approach with.
Mabye not BETTER than Shine but it's like a twisted version of shine that you can approach with.
Archangel
Smash Hero
I had the same triple take
However I think he means better because it had multiple hits.
Revven
FrankerZ
And it's not meant to be like that, it needs work and it shouldn't have been mentioned in this thread RedHal.
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[TSON]
Hella.
thats like saying smashville is like fd anyways lol
stingers
Smash Obsessed
lol i just tested it redhal. it literally does 1%. might as well just grab...
A2ZOMG
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lol Stingers, do you know how what hit confirmation is?
JCaesar
Smash Hero
stingers
Smash Obsessed
jcaeser, the sonic slayer?
i'm scared now
i'm scared now
JCaesar
Smash Hero
What ?
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I keep watching Project M vids and I wonder more and more... why do the players not use pivot grabs? Is it because it's easier or slower... or do people just not think to do them?
I'm sorry for "leaking" in that case, but me and DS both agreed that it needs to be fixed anyway. Was it an addition from brawl+ or something the Devs tried out earlier?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
you can't JC pivot grabs. and its reflex to just JC everything. so oftentimes when you JC a pivot grab theyll just dash and grab in front of them and look dumb lol
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