Project M Social Thread

[Revven]

Actually, his question is regarding ledge occupancy.

Is it? I guess I read it wrong.

 

[FireBall Stars]

Also, an idea for DK's earthquake slap.

Give it set BKB, the ability to be JC'd after a certain frame, and the ability to shield poke opponents from the bottom.

I can see this used to stop rolls and spot dodges, to inflict shield pressure, then to combo from the set BKB.


DK needs something interesting to decentralize his metagame of shffl bairs and uair juggles. A more dynamic and engaging mechanic that isn't unilateral.

This, totally this.

And no, Gamedominator wasn't serious.

 

[GP&B]

EDIT: I should've refreshed the page

And yeah, I was definitely joking about the release date.

 

[Sora-kun]

"Project: M will be released sometime between tomorrow and 5 years from now."
-Person who i remember there name which is JCaesar

 

[JCaesar]

That was me

 

[Sora-kun]

Lmao i just remembered it was you too.. i came back to edit it xD

 

[I R MarF]

So aside from throws, friction, DI, L-cancelling during hitlag, landing detection, and character meleefying, what other aspects of the game need to be changed to feel like melee?

 

[bleyva]

So aside from throws, friction, DI, L-cancelling during hitlag, landing detection, and character meleefying

yea, aside from those few little minute details, its done right?

 

[Shell]

Hey guys

I played PM at GREV XI and it was pretty awesome, but I noticed a few things and I'm wondering if you guys are going to address them.

Of course this was two weeks ago so if you guys made any huge updates then I'll be outdated but..

1) It seems too hard to edgeguard now from the ledge
I didn't see much, if any, edgeguarding from the actual ledge. Against many characters it doesn't feel as good anymore. For example falcon has his side-b recovery which actually does something now, making it harder to do anything while hanging on the ledge trying to swat him away.

2) Grabs slide like crazy
At least compared to melee. And yeah you have pivot grabs in brawl which slide even further.. i was just wonderng if this was intentional or if it's going to be made more like melee

Otherwise it was pretty awesome, good **** guys :D

For (1), this is mostly related to the edge grab distance. Most character's edgegrab distances are untweaked from Brawl, which is to say, they're huge.

Tabuu can now show ledge grab boxes and allow editing, so we'll be fixing this up soon.

(2) This may be related to friction, although the JC Grab code may need some fine tuning as well.

 

[Krautrock]

Ledge occupancy is currently planned to work as in Brawl, correct? People will actually have to time their edgehogs/rolls precisely now. The Melee system really made no sense and was actually less skill based.

 

[Sterowent]

well, a byproduct of that is that characters with a large ledge attack will be buffed. i can't recall who has a really amazing one, besides bowser. i know fox has a good one (FOX? BUFFED? WHAT?)

 

[[TSON]]

Ledge occupancy is currently planned to work as in Brawl, correct? People will actually have to time their edgehogs/rolls precisely now. The Melee system really made no sense and was actually less skill based.

it's crucial to the melee feel, it will be returning.

 

[stingers]

tson with the common sense...o.o wtf is this

 

[AeonClock]

And on the ledge discussion, are you still planning to have Melee's BS "knee grabbing" boxes? I mean, they really didn't make much sense to me >_>

 

[vVv Rapture]

Question: assuming all the Brawl characters will be in this, I can safely assume PT will return. With that said, with PT's pokemon still have the stamina effect or will this be removed?

 

[ValTroX]

it's crucial to the melee feel, it will be returning.

wait what? I also thought that brawl ledge occupancy was staying

 

[stingers]

Question: assuming all the Brawl characters will be in this, I can safely assume PT will return. With that said, with PT's pokemon still have the stamina effect or will this be removed?

stamina encourages camping, and they seem to want every character to be approaching 100% of the time, so im sure they'll remove it

 

[[TSON]]

wait what? I also thought that brawl ledge occupancy was staying

nope. that's about as big of a deal as landing detection. people wouldn't be too happy with us if we got rid of it.

 

[shanus]

Question: assuming all the Brawl characters will be in this, I can safely assume PT will return. With that said, with PT's pokemon still have the stamina effect or will this be removed?

let's just forget about this question for right now

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Brawl's occupancy seems to be a bit silly to me.
I grabbed the ledge when the occuipier was about 15 frames into his slow Cliff Ledge Attack, which looked like I went into him for that time.

I'm glad you are also doing something about the LGR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMbgxD5l8xQ
LOL What did Mario grab????

 

[Strong Badam]

stamina encourages camping, and they seem to want every character to be approaching 100% of the time, so im sure they'll remove it

it's not that we want everyone to be approaching 100% of the time, it's that we want there to be a balance between offensive and defensive play, with perhaps a slight inclination toward offensive play.
so, melee style.

 

[FireBall Stars]

But are we talking about the Melee ledge occupancy glitch?

If that will return, then I'll be sad. :/

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Wait, is this the glitch where the game still thinks you're on the edge during a roll from the edge (and I believe gua as well)?

That'll be annoying as hell if it gets put back in.

 

[Strong Badam]

Not a glitch.

 

[stingers]

indeed...learn to recover better.

 

[FireBall Stars]

No?

Care to explain?

It's very strange when someone is far from the edge and you can't grab it.

 

[vVv Rapture]

let's just forget about this question for right now

Sorry to hear that, but hopefully it is removed.

 

[Dantarion]

Ledge Occupancy, how does it work?
No one knows.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Eh, I suppose I'll learn to deal with Melee ledge occupancy if it gets added.

But I won't like it.

 

[stingers]

Eh, I suppose I'll learn to deal with Melee ledge occupancy if it gets added.

But I won't like it.

then play melee.

owait

 

[Sora-kun]

Question, are you guys changing Link's standing animation so he doesn't move his shield like in Melee? I realize his shield isn't used much but his Brawl standing animation can get very irritating when he decides to take his shield down a split second before a pit arrow hits his stupid ***. Just wondering.

 

[FireBall Stars]

then play melee.

owait

ROFL

If it returns I won't complain anyway, it won't make the game bad.

Just wanted that people should have to time their edgehogs better. :/

Sora-kun, you can just crouch and Link will not take out his shield from the way.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Project MELEE. Lrn2recover.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

No .

Thanks Strong_Bad for your in-depth and considerate answer.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure almost all change ideas to Sing will be rejected. Jiggs already has plentiful ways to setup for her murderous Rest.

Yeah... When I posted that I was thinking of Brawl Jiggly instead of Melee Jiggly...

 

[Revven]

Question, are you guys changing Link's standing animation so he doesn't move his shield like in Melee? I realize his shield isn't used much but his Brawl standing animation can get very irritating when he decides to take his shield down a split second before a pit arrow hits his stupid ***. Just wondering.

Shadic already fixed this or at least tweaked it.

 

[Strong Badam]

then play melee.

owait

LMAO I think I'm starting to like stingers.
this post is ****in hilarious.

but yeah without Melee ledge-occupancy (perhaps toned down very slightly), it's actually impossible to edgehog some recoveries, as the 37 frames of invincibility from grabbing the ledge isn't always enough to edgehog some characters, like Peach or Donkey Kong.

 

[genkaku]

I think Dantarion should be the only person allowed to post in here.
Everyone else is just a distraction.

 

[FireBall Stars]

LMAO I think I'm starting to like stingers.
this post is ****in hilarious.

but yeah without Melee ledge-occupancy (perhaps toned down very slightly), it's actually impossible to edgehog some recoveries, as the 37 frames of invincibility from grabbing the ledge isn't always enough to edgehog some characters, like Peach or Donkey Kong.

Yeah, I really lol'd

Oh, I see. If it's for a better gameplay, then there's no reason to complain.

 

[JCaesar]

Most characters can immediately ledgehop and use the invincibility to get an aerial out though. It's not like they can't be edgeguarded without Melee ledge occupancy.

 

[FireBall Stars]

He was talking only about edgehogging JCaesar.